I can’t enjoy Reaper

Leveled up one at 6.0, lvl 90 and all that. I tried to get back to it again lately.
Coming from SAM, it just feels like a slow old man :

Enshroud when old man takes pills to get it on. Shortly after it’s so painfully slow, to the point I’m under the impression of being in an ARR dungeon.

Yes you do have a 30s skill with 2 stacks to make it more «*alive*».
But either I’m missing something or the whole gameplay is just about an old fart using viagra pills for small bursts and then getting exhausted for 70% of the duty.

That's fine, you don't have to like every job.

The entire point of having more than 1 job in a game is so that if you don't like Job A you may like Job B.

Simple solution. Don't play it...

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

The entire point of having more than 1 job in a game is so that if you don't like Job A you may like Job B.

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I know I know, just wish I could enjoy it is all. Guess I’ll just settle for SAM & MCH for dps

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

The entire point of having more than 1 job in a game is so that if you don't like Job A you may like Job B.

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That's fine and all but there are people that would really love to play a Scythe-style DPS class but just get turned off by the way the class plays. It's the same process as someone trying out a healer class. If I enjoy healing in an MMO, why do the healing aspect of these classes in this game feel so lackluster?

reaper is like moira in overwatch, a job that is extremely easy to use and that any one player even the most braindead one can get full value out of it without much effort

we do need jobs like these in the roster for variety, just hope not every job becomes reaper.

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Originally Posted by ataren3

That's fine and all but there are people that would really love to play a Scythe-style DPS class but just get turned off by the way the class plays. It's the same process as someone trying out a healer class. If I enjoy healing in an MMO, why do the healing aspect of these classes in this game feel so lackluster?

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That is unfortunately going to be the way with every class. They will never be able to get a playstyle or Job that is universally loved, no matter how much they rejig, buff or nerf them. There will always be someone who wants to heal, tank or poke things with a spear that dislikes what the game offers. If another game provides a more favourable experience then thats great, but it would be boring if ever MMO had the same style of gameplay. Constructive criticism should always be given yes, but sometimes a personal preference is a subjective matter.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

That is unfortunately going to be the way with every class. They will never be able to get a playstyle or Job that is universally loved, no matter how much they rejig, buff or nerf them. There will always be someone who wants to heal, tank or poke things with a spear that dislikes what the game offers. If another game provides a more favourable experience then thats great, but it would be boring if ever MMO had the same style of gameplay. Constructive criticism should always be given yes, but sometimes a personal preference is a subjective matter.

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And that's the unfortunate catch-22 in FF14 and really most games. Is there a way to make every class fun for everyone? ...Sort of, you can introduce the whole skill-tree or cross classing to add more flair to the base class to customize the user's experience. However that comes at the cost of balance. And complexity.

Giving someone 5 different options for a melee style dps is a lot simpler to maintain and balance than five classes having a branching skill tree (or all sharing the same skill tree).
It CAN be done and has in several games, but the amount of resources to invest in it usually isn't worth trying to keep everybody happy.

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The real reapers are the botanists you see on diadem.

I only use the weekend RPR, the one that just collects flowers outside. Peaceful.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

That is unfortunately going to be the way with every class. They will never be able to get a playstyle or Job that is universally loved, no matter how much they rejig, buff or nerf them. There will always be someone who wants to heal, tank or poke things with a spear that dislikes what the game offers. If another game provides a more favourable experience then thats great, but it would be boring if ever MMO had the same style of gameplay. Constructive criticism should always be given yes, but sometimes a personal preference is a subjective matter.

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That's exactly one of the problems we currently have though. They seem to be trying real hard to make every job appeal to everyone, making it worse in the process.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

That's exactly one of the problems we currently have though. They seem to be trying real hard to make every job appeal to everyone, making it worse in the process.

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You can have classes/jobs with broader appeal without them being dumbed down.
Right now it’s dumbed down across the board for the 2min burst meta.

This sounds like a lot of personal preference. All dps classes just do damage, in one way or another. Some are faster, some are more complex. I think what feels bad is there is no real reward for playing a class that is more "difficult." When someone who is not as skilled can do the same amount of damage for doing something easier it feels somehow unfair. It also quasi incentivizes you to play these "easier" classes when the mechanics of a fight get more difficult. It is kind of a pro/con situation. If they make certain classes do more damage because they are more "difficult" then those classes will be almost required by teams going into difficult content. Currently we are on the flip side where every class is viable, but there is no reward for playing a class that is more complex. A solution to this is to bring all the classes closer in complexity, since the average player is not very skilled it makes sense to bring the complexity down so the most players can enjoy them. The problem with this is then the classes start to feel homogenized and lose their uniqueness. The idea is trying to find a middle ground in all this, and to make this even more difficult the middle ground is constantly moving so the design teams are always playing cat and mouse with the desires/expectations of the players.

Sorry to hear you don't like reaper. For me I love reaper and have main it since 6.0 came out.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

reaper is like moira in overwatch, a job that is extremely easy to use and that any one player even the most braindead one can get full value out of it without much effort

we do need jobs like these in the roster for variety, just hope not every job becomes reaper.

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I think you need to learn about skill floor and skill ceiling; just like Moira, RPR may have a low skill floor but it doesn't mean the skill ceiling is low too. Unless you lack a wide enough view to see its potential, of course.

I'm sure TC already knows there are plenty of other classes to pick from without you guys telling him.

He's saying Reaper is basically an old dude taking a viagra which is sadly true.

Unlike the shill troop or the redditors I don’t mind disagreement but I appreciate some sort of example for improvement. No point in complaining without a good pitch I always say

i mean, you could always just meld sks like a madman if thats what you want.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

That's fine, you don't have to like every job.

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What if you really don't like any of them?

(...Wait a min....why am I here....)

don't try blm, the slowest casts of any class (but its by no means slow to play)

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

Leveled up one at 6.0, lvl 90 and all that. I tried to get back to it again lately.
Coming from SAM, it just feels like a slow old man :

Enshroud when old man takes pills to get it on. Shortly after it’s so painfully slow, to the point I’m under the impression of being in an ARR dungeon.

Yes you do have a 30s skill with 2 stacks to make it more «*alive*».
But either I’m missing something or the whole gameplay is just about an old fart using viagra pills for small bursts and then getting exhausted for 70% of the duty.

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Hey. What.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

That's fine, you don't have to like every job.

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Originally Posted by SargeTheSeagull

The entire point of having more than 1 job in a game is so that if you don't like Job A you may like Job B.

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Mature replies.

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Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar

I know I know, just wish I could enjoy it is all. Guess I’ll just settle for SAM & MCH for dps

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Mature response.

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Originally Posted by Hurlstone

That is unfortunately going to be the way with every class. They will never be able to get a playstyle or Job that is universally loved, no matter how much they rejig, buff or nerf them. There will always be someone who wants to heal, tank or poke things with a spear that dislikes what the game offers. If another game provides a more favourable experience then thats great, but it would be boring if ever MMO had the same style of gameplay. Constructive criticism should always be given yes, but sometimes a personal preference is a subjective matter.

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Mature and correct analysis.

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Good all around. :)

It's unfortunate that some people may want a Job with this aesthetic that has a different playstyle, but there are people that maybe like GNB or MCH's aesthetic but don't like their hectic pace. It's the price we pay, in the end, to have Jobs that aren't all the same but for visual effects. In the end, we play the ones that either appeal to us aesthetically or mechanically, and if one appeals in one of those ways but not the other, we make a judgement call on which is more important to us.

Not every Job can be high skill ceiling, galaxy brain, complex, and hectic, because then there won't be Jobs for people that don't like that and the game will suffer when lots of players leave, just as it would if every Job was made low skill ceiling, simple, and relaxed. So in the end, it's healthy for the game to have some one each. I think one of the Dev design goals has long been to have at least one easy Job in each category, and the other Melee Jobs largely AREN'T easy. So instead of doing a SMN to Melee and reworking one into being simple, they added a new one to be the simple one. (Granted, we'll see what 7.0 has in store for DRG...)

Square abandoned the Reaper. There's no fun dropped weapons (only one animated weapon), gear is awful, the skill rotations are just regurgitated Samurai, and it just seems like they've walked away from caring about it. It's the Squadrons of classes.