I can only acknowledge world first clears on PS4-5 and so on.

I can only Acknowledge world first clear groups for groups using only PS4-PS5.. and future locked platforms.

I would watch that stream, PC WF is more or less a joke of plugins and must haves.

Thank you for this great piece of information, I can now go on with my life knowing you will only acknowledge those people, I really couldnt have moved on without this.

Its finally time for the PC master race to bow down to the superior console race as they at least have tegridy

This is not the way to go.

who are you and why does your word hold any worth?

To all of above, I make a good statement and I think that SE should think about it as content to do, absolutely hands down to those that can do it without all these additional third party tools and it would introduce that people can do this content the way it was supposed to be played as.

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To all of above, I make a good statement and I think that SE should think about it as content to do, absolutely hands down to those that can do it without all these additional third party tools and it would introduce that people can do this content the way it was supposed to be played as.

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No, you don't, here's why:

You automatically invalidate effort and recognition from the onset on the premise of the platform, presuming that all players on a particular platform will cheat just because they can. If you want to be this reductive, then by all means, but regardless of your own personal feelings it is not a valid outlook.

This is another reason: This game is multiplatform, so console players can still play with those on PC and still partake in the advantage, albeit indirectly, so unless you examine all 8 PoVs, you won't really have sufficient information to discredit the run, and even if you did, there is nothing stopping from PC players from doing the same. This, of course relies on the premise that we actually entertain this ridiculous outlook.

y'all really took that obvious bait?

If you give people a reason to cheat on consoles, they will find a way to do so.

And it's not like you already can't parse for console and use triggers by intercepting the network data on an external device, it's just in the "why bother" territory when it's so much easier on PC. But give people a reason to do that and they will.

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I can only Acknowledge world first clear groups for groups using only PS4-PS5.. and future locked platforms.

I would watch that stream, PC WF is more or less a joke of plugins and must haves.

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okay we will keep that in mind :)

Bro what if the console players are partnered up with those cheating PC gamers and benefiting from their cheats?? Imagine a cheating PC player puts a safety marker over their head and guides the console player to victory. Doesn't this infuriate you?
This is why I only recognize LAN party clears done at SE headquarters, using an Official SE sanctioned PC and the official Final Fantasy one handed keyboard+mouse gamer setup and a sanctioned Square Enix chair (a wooden stool crafted by a real Japanese carpenter) and proctored under the watchful eye of Yoshida-sama himself (accept no substitutes). If you can't afford 10k IRL to fly your whole static out to Japan for an official SE-proctored clear under these conditions, then your world first just isn't valid, simple as.

Sadly, I'm still waiting for a world first Eden 1 Savage clear under these conditions. I hope someday soon somebody will truly clear this raid.

Figured if everyone else just wanted to dip their toes in threads, I might as well too.

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Figured if everyone else just wanted to dip their toes in threads, I might as well too.

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Hey you come around here often pretty lady?

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Hey you come around here often pretty lady?

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Every day that ends in Y. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Every day that ends in Y. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Funday. The best day.

Lmao I’m going to love this.

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Lmao I’m going to love this.

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Popcorn?
I don't normally share food but this might be worth it.

I almost want them to scan for 3rd party addons and completely eliminate them, just so the raiders will continue clearing raids just fine and the players who are salty about their low performance at endgame and resort to blaming outside factors will have no argument anymore.

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I almost want them to scan for 3rd party addons and completely eliminate them, just so the raiders will continue clearing raids just fine and the players who are salty about their low performance at endgame and resort to blaming outside factors will have no argument anymore.

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Yes let's remove the only tool that lets people improve by showing them what they are doing wrong

Why get better when you can just be mediocre so people like you wont go "muh illegal 3rd party, dont use that, stay bad its better"

Who are you?

I would need an external device... That's not playing on PS4/PS5...
It's cheating.
A normal PS4/PS5 player will only use the console and will have no access to add-ons, so access to cheats.

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I almost want them to scan for 3rd party addons and completely eliminate them, just so the raiders will continue clearing raids just fine and the players who are salty about their low performance at endgame and resort to blaming outside factors will have no argument anymore.

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I get where you're coming from but this post reminded me of what happened in the last game I played when they tried to eliminate third party tools and modding, and since I'm bored at work and this thread isn't serious anyway I'll blather on about it.

Basically, Tera did this to try and shut down third party tool use. It was pretty funny how that went down. Essentially it broke the game for people running it on operating systems that weren't windows, it created a ton of false positive reports when it saw device drivers it didn't recognize and assumed they were cheats, and actual cheaters bypassed it within a literal day and posted the bypass instructions on the official forums, where staff supervision was so low that it actually remained up for about a week. Later, the North American branch hosted by Enmasse posted a "zero tolerance" policy on modding of any kind at all, so players responded by uprooting completely and playing on the European version hosted by Gameforge. Generally speaking, Gameforge is a terrible publisher known for milking dead MMOs, but in this singular instance they were quite based; they heard about Enmasse's player flight issue, and created a "new player event" welcoming anybody who "just so happened" to be joining their game for the first time with loads of EXP boosts and catchup events. They basically extended an olive branch to spurned players and gained thousands of new people by profiting off of the North American publisher's stupidity. Enmasse never fully recovered from this loss; their game's community was barren as hell after that and Enmasse completely shut down and handed their game over to Gameforge about a year and a half later. Once Gameforge realized they had no real competition left in the western market, they went back to their scumbag ways and things were pretty bleak for a long time until finally the game closed its doors permanently.

I think if people are being mostly harmless, developers are better off just leaving them be. In tera's case, and in XIV's case, the lead developers of these tools generally give a shit about the long term health of the game and ban cheatier stuff from their platform or at least force users to take extra steps if they want to use the more controversial stuff. In tera's case as well, the devs reached out to the official developers and offered assistance with the game's latency/QoL issues and were quite literally permabanned from the game lmao. Like, I think if you fuck with people who are mostly passionate about your game and just want to help make it better, you're shooting yourself in the foot for no reason. "Spot-ban the idiots but leave everyone else alone" is probably the wisest course of action they can take short of just collaborating with these people so we can all get the "people with high ping can double weave" QoL among others.

All that being said, I do agree that it's funny to see people whine about (for example) third party tools a day after a patch just dropped, when all of that third party stuff is broken anyway. Many don't fully know what they're talking about in this regard and just assume if you memorized a fight's mechanic order to stand OUT preemptively that you're cheating. They just know that some people took a lot of extra steps to gain an advantage, and watching them assume it pertains to anyone who just ... knows a fight well, is amusing. There was a thread about this earlier actually, where some guy complained that cheaters were being too obvious because they were prepositioning lmao

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I would need an external device... That's not playing on PS4/PS5...
It's cheating.
A normal PS4/PS5 player will only use the console and will have no access to add-ons, so access to cheats.

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console players actually do have access to that stuff

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console players actually do have access to that stuff

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Without jailbreak and use of different devices? As far as I know ( and I know nothing) you can't run you're own code on PS5, PS4 yes, although you by connecting to the PSN you can be put on the list for next banwave... But please do explain.

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What I find so amusing about the "ban all third-party tools! ban everyone who uses them! give us anti-cheat software that detects it and BANS EVERYONE!" is that many don't realize just how many people use third-party tools. I'm fairly sure that modding your appearance is far more common than parsing. Way more common. Every day I see tons of screenshots with modded hairstyles, clothes, fatcat fairy and whatnot. There's a gigantic community that is really into this sort of thing and I'm not just talking about the RP scene, also that one is filled to the brim with people that use addons for chat bubbles in addition to appearance as well.
Then there's also people with visual impairment that use them to adjust colors or change the shape of markers or the UI.
Thinking that "third-party tool users = parsers = bad, we can ban them all without loss" is so incredibly stupid and naive.

You ban all 3rd party tools and anyone using them and you'd lose far more casual players than raiders and people that parse. But of course, when speaking about banning third-party tool users they usually mean people that parse. Not all people :p

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What I find so amusing about the "ban all third-party tools! ban everyone who uses them! give us anti-cheat software that detects it and BANS EVERYONE!" is that many don't realize just how many people use third-party tools. I'm fairly sure that modding your appearance is far more common than parsing. Way more common. Every day I see tons of screenshots with modded hairstyles, clothes, fatcat fairy and whatnot. There's a gigantic community that is really into this sort of thing and I'm not just talking about the RP scene, also that one is filled to the brim with people that use addons for chat bubbles in addition to appearance as well.
Then there's also people with visual impairment that use them to adjust colors or change the shape of markers or the UI.
Thinking that "third-party tool users = parsers = bad, we can ban them all without loss" is so incredibly stupid and naive.

You ban all 3rd party tools and anyone using them and you'd lose far more casual players than raiders and people that parse. But of course, when speaking about banning third-party tool users they usually mean people that parse. Not all people :p

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Yeah people have this idea in their heads of like, the guys who preview the AoEs before they come out and probably just mean those people should be banned. But then they'll propose anticheats that affect everybody whether they cheat or not, or they'll post threads like these where they're assmad over an idiot automating his crafts or other threads will be made where purely cosmetic mods are put on blast just because, and it becomes apparent that some people really do take a no-tolerance stance and want to see folks banned just for using gshade or something. Luckily it's not up to them.

Christ, though. The irony is never lost on me how xigncode's implementation in tera is what pushed so many of my "legit" (i.e. didn't use cheats) friends to begin using third party tools. All of them bit the bullet just to use the xigncode bypass. Then when they learned about all the QoL stuff they were missing out on, they went "in for a penny in for a pound" and started using more advanced cheats. I bet you anything the same route would happen here. I throw a lot of shade at SE but I'll give them credit where it's due for not making a reactionary decision and forcing xigncode on us.

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What I find so amusing about the "ban all third-party tools! ban everyone who uses them! give us anti-cheat software that detects it and BANS EVERYONE!" is that many don't realize just how many people use third-party tools. I'm fairly sure that modding your appearance is far more common than parsing. Way more common. Every day I see tons of screenshots with modded hairstyles, clothes, fatcat fairy and whatnot. There's a gigantic community that is really into this sort of thing and I'm not just talking about the RP scene, also that one is filled to the brim with people that use addons for chat bubbles in addition to appearance as well.
Then there's also people with visual impairment that use them to adjust colors or change the shape of markers or the UI.
Thinking that "third-party tool users = parsers = bad, we can ban them all without loss" is so incredibly stupid and naive.

You ban all 3rd party tools and anyone using them and you'd lose far more casual players than raiders and people that parse. But of course, when speaking about banning third-party tool users they usually mean people that parse. Not all people :p

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there are a lot of purists who subscribe to "you must play the game exactly how the developer ships it to you, never complain, and be grateful"

very naive mentality

Do people really care about these things truthfully?
What does it even matter if someone is first or second at clearing content in a video game?
Do they receive any special items or titles, anything extra?

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okay we will keep that in mind :)

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You will?

I won't. My brain has other trash to keep up with.

Nobody tell the OP a lot of the console raiders are using third-party tools too.

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Nobody tell the OP a lot of the console raiders are using third-party tools too.

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I keep asking for explanations on this, and so far noone can explain it, piggybacking our of pc players is not using mods on consoles, explain how are you or anyone bypassing Sony's protections and using your own code on the ps5.

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I keep asking for explanations on this, and so far noone can explain it, piggybacking our of pc players is not using mods on consoles, explain how are you or anyone bypassing Sony's protections and using your own code on the ps5.

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Offtopic.
What DC is Phantom from?

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Offtopic.
What DC is Phantom from?

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Chaos, an EU Datacenter.

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I keep asking for explanations on this, and so far noone can explain it, piggybacking our of pc players is not using mods on consoles, explain how are you or anyone bypassing Sony's protections and using your own code on the ps5.

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You can route your console's web traffic through a PC, basically your PC acts as a router. The router obviously sees every packet going through it and can snoop around and that's where the parser comes in. I am massively simplifying so ppl don't get naughty ideas (and possibly also break their network), but if there was a reason for this to become mainstream, it wouldn't take long before step by step guides start popping up, including a parse program specifically for this purpose.

And no, Sony can't do anything about it, you are not running your own code on the system. It's also not possible for the system to tell if the router you are connecting to is just a PC pretending to be a router (technically speaking, routers are just stripped down computers with the necessary components and software to forward data packets, they often run an embedded linux system). An anticheat on PC also couldn't do anything about this, since you can do the same on PC as well.

I just do dis.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...c2585d8885.jpg

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You can route your console's web traffic through a PC, basically your PC acts as a router. The router obviously sees every packet going through it and can snoop around and that's where the parser comes in. I am massively simplifying so ppl don't get naughty ideas (and possibly also break their network), but if there was a reason for this to become mainstream, it wouldn't take long before step by step guides start popping up.

And no, Sony can't do anything about it, you are not running your own code on the system. It's also not possible for the system to tell if the router you are connecting to is just a PC pretending to be a router. An anticheat on PC also couldn't do anything about this, since you can do the same on PC as well.

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It defeats the purpose of playing on a console, I need to use a pc, might as well ditch the ps5 and just play on the pc... The point is to turn on my PS5 and tv and just play the game.
Now if you turn all of those add-ons into something available from within the game and published by square all is fine and perfect until then your are breaking the TOS.
In this case anyone on console using addons is even worse than pc master race since they have to use a third device to be able to use mods...

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I just do dis.

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...c2585d8885.jpg

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You're PS5 seems a lot like my ps4... Lol
PS4 is jailbroken on lower firmwares, don't know (and honestly don't care) if you can connect to PSN and play FFXIV with mods on it, maybe you can, shame that PSN doesn't ban you

I would imagine it would look like a ps4 since it is a ps4.

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I think if people are being mostly harmless, developers are better off just leaving them be. In tera's case, and in XIV's case, the lead developers of these tools generally give a shit about the long term health of the game and ban cheatier stuff from their platform or at least force users to take extra steps if they want to use the more controversial stuff. In tera's case as well, the devs reached out to the official developers and offered assistance with the game's latency/QoL issues and were quite literally permabanned from the game lmao. Like, I think if you fuck with people who are mostly passionate about your game and just want to help make it better, you're shooting yourself in the foot for no reason. "Spot-ban the idiots but leave everyone else alone" is probably the wisest course of action they can take short of just collaborating with these people so we can all get the "people with high ping can double weave" QoL among others.

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Yeah, I think a lot of people have this naive idea that every problem can be solve by the wave of a magic wand. And thing will always pan out exactly as planed. All I can say is ... real life is not a shonen manga.

It's the same thing about people keep advocating for stripping people with multiple-house. Say even if Yoshi actually want to do that, I can imagine someone from either the financial or legal department (probably both) would be stopping him so freaking fast.

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It defeats the purpose of playing on a console, I need to use a pc, might as well ditch the ps5 and just play on the pc... The point is to turn on my PS5 and tv and just play the game.
Now if you turn all of those add-ons into something available from within the game and published by square all is fine and perfect until then your are breaking the TOS.
In this case anyone on console using addons is even worse than pc master race since they have to use a third device to be able to use mods...

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I already mentioned in the first page that this is in the "why bother" territory right now. But if that was to change, because for example, someone came up with a console only world race with the idea that it means no 3rd party programs, that idea is simply naive, because you could still parse and use triggers.

You also don't need a particularly powerful PC to do this. Some cheap laptop that can't even run the game could do the trick just fine. So no, it doesn't really completely defeat the purpose.