Kaitenless SAM

Hi everyone,
It has been 9 months since kaiten left. While the job is not dead dead, the feel is not there and Im still pressing the kaiten in my rotation (yeah it never leave the hotbar). I really want to know if there is other way to let the dev know how much we want kaiten back or its just copium at this point
Thanks and have nice days everyone

funny day you choose to make this post but you're right Samurai isn't dead but without Kaiten you're spamming Shinten like a Bitch. In My Opinion Samurai is seriously Fun in PvP.
Samurai without Kaiten is just a Breathless Samurai and I really think that we have to into Game Developement ourselves and recreate the Kaiten Playstyle in an Single Player Offline environment.
That's the only effective way that I see to Bring Back Kaiten. Because let's face it Square Enix doesn't care to provide fun gameplay, Yoshida is hopefully just busy with FFXVI and hand waves the Combat Team into 2 minute burst windows and to delete DoTs, gg

but I'm glad that people still hold onto hope, because do that as well.

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Originally Posted by Randommob

I really want to know if there is other way to let the dev know how much we want kaiten back or its just copium at this point

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No, they don't care
JP SAM megathread that doubled in page count after Kaiten removal. 155+ Threads and 15+ youtube feedback videos from the western community. Collectively compiling all of it. Completely Ignored

Square's excuses and apologists have been debunked Endlessly and we cannot resurrect Kaiten. My personal assumption is that Square was lazy and Kaiten removal just is easier to handle. That's how much they value fun Gameplay. And they done this with plenty other jobs as well, way before we even knew it was our turn on the chopping block to then be Ignored.

So what now?
Be happy with what we have before more of it is lost. Players mocked our feedback and our fellow Samurai's who quit due to changes. Continue to Not mock other players who will potentially lose gameplay of the Jobs they love like we did. Have empathy/time/energy to spare? Share them your voice of support when a negative change happens to their Job. We know now how it feels to not be heard. It sucks.

The most important thing is to NEVER FORGET that Square/Yoshi/Dev's...

• Asked us to try it out, give us your feedback
• We tried it out, we gave our Feedback

Kaiten removal sucked, and they Ignored us.

Sadly its likely not coming back, or at the very least not during this expansion. The fact that they even completely ignored the JP community and never even made mention or reasoning in any of the post live letters is really telling. At "best" we might see it returned in some reworked manner in the next expansion, but that is copium at this point. Until then, I'm enjoying black mage...even if I am terrible at it.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Sadly its likely not coming back, or at the very least not during this expansion.

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I was thinking about this the other day lol

I can already see it now. They'll wait till 7.0 to add it back in so that the people they fucked 2 years ago by that point will be like, "Oh my gosh this game is so good they're adding it back in!" to make the expansion look better. Yeah no if they really wait that long I'm not going to let them live it down.

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Originally Posted by ninjasoldier014

I was thinking about this the other day lol

I can already see it now. They'll wait till 7.0 to add it back in so that the people they fucked 2 years ago by that point will be like, "Oh my gosh this game is so good they're adding it back in!" to make the expansion look better. Yeah no if they really wait that long I'm not going to let them live it down.

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that's understandable and kinda hilarious, I mean I predicted an AoE Shoha for 6.0 and what did we saw in the 6.0 Benchmark? AoE Shoha.. but if Kaiten returns it may sunder the Samurai Player-base again.
Which me personally I do not care since I want Kenki to have more utility than to just spam Shinten like a Bitch.
While true with Kaiten the Samurai would be enjoyable, it would be ignorant to start the Songs of Zombie-like Praise again like nothing happened.

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Originally Posted by Randommob

Hi everyone,
It has been 9 months since kaiten left. While the job is not dead dead, the feel is not there and Im still pressing the kaiten in my rotation (yeah it never leave the hotbar). I really want to know if there is other way to let the dev know how much we want kaiten back or its just copium at this point
Thanks and have nice days everyone

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much prefer to play without kaiten, but you can replace your old kaiten keybind with shinten, since they cost practically the same amount of kenki

Well, PLD got reworked and they gave it back Bulwark, which was supposedly loved by veterans. So I predict that in future, when they eventually remove Iaijutsus all together, they will bribe us by bringing Kaiten back. Please look forward to it.

I also still have kaiten on my bar.
First thing I did when I saw patch notes was to scroll down to see if there were any changes to the job. Nothing. I wasn't expecting much to begin with though.
At this point I just find myself caring less and less about the game. Samurai changes was just one of many things that have made me like the game less since this expansion.

I also still have Kaiten on my hotbar. I really gave the changes a shot for a while. But the changes have really made me want to play a job I previously really enjoyed less and less.

They eventually, eventually, listened to dark knights about Living Dead, and then just this patch added Bulwark back to paladin and charges to machinist Hypercharge completely out of the blue, so you just never know when the tides will change

I still have Kaiten on my hotbar as well, hoping that someday they come to their senses.

The PLD rework, while probably a net good for the job, reminds me of their butchery of SAM.

Atonement spam felt terrible even before the rework, and now PLD is spamming it 50% more than ever before - it's like they don't realize that spamming the same ability isn't fun - then again, they've been ignoring healers for years, so I guess that's old news.

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Originally Posted by Melethron123

much prefer to play without kaiten, but you can replace your old kaiten keybind with shinten, since they cost practically the same amount of kenki

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ehh not really with Kaiten we had to work with 20 Kenki to enhance weaponskills, shinten may cost just 5 more than Kaiten but the devil is in the detail.
now you sit on 20 Kenki with no meaningful option to spend it. If wanna replace Kaiten the Keybind, I'd say True North though I have a funny feeling that Positionals will bite the dust next.

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Originally Posted by cjbeagle

I still have Kaiten on my hotbar as well, hoping that someday they come to their senses.

The PLD rework, while probably a net good for the job, reminds me of their butchery of SAM.

Atonement spam felt terrible even before the rework, and now PLD is spamming it 50% more than ever before - it's like they don't realize that spamming the same ability isn't fun - then again, they've been ignoring healers for years, so I guess that's old news.

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Us healer mains have kind of given up, I feel.

Kaiten's still on my bar and my Shinten finger hurts.