Suggestion to reduce supply issues.

I would make 3 major suggestions.

1 - I would disable character transfers by the end of this week to avoid folks migrating to low pop worlds with high amounts of wealth to buy the good plots that players in the same places have been waiting for.

2 - I would make FC's require 4 ACTIVE players in order to bid on FC lots whom have been in the FC for atleast 30 days.

3 - Likewise I would require a FC to have 4 Active players in the FC for the last 30 days before a leadership election can occur - failure to do so results in the house becoming a private home in the possession of the FC master until this criteria has been restored.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

I would make 3 major suggestions.

1 - I would disable character transfers by the end of this week to avoid folks migrating to low pop worlds with high amounts of wealth to buy the good plots that players in the same places have been waiting for.

2 - I would make FC's require 4 ACTIVE players in order to bid on FC lots whom have been in the FC for atleast 30 days.

3 - Likewise I would require a FC to have 4 Active players in the FC for the last 30 days before a leadership election can occur - failure to do so results in the house becoming a private home in the possession of the FC master until this criteria has been restored.

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When did they allow stand up comedians in here?

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

I would make 3 major suggestions.

1 - I would disable character transfers by the end of this week to avoid folks migrating to low pop worlds with high amounts of wealth to buy the good plots that players in the same places have been waiting for.

2 - I would make FC's require 4 ACTIVE players in order to bid on FC lots whom have been in the FC for atleast 30 days.

3 - Likewise I would require a FC to have 4 Active players in the FC for the last 30 days before a leadership election can occur - failure to do so results in the house becoming a private home in the possession of the FC master until this criteria has been restored.

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1) Anyone interested in migrating for the sake of a house already went to one of the Dynamis worlds if NA, one of the new EU worlds if EU or a Materia world if OCE/SEA.

2) As much as that would be nice, SE would have done it by now if they were interested in/technically capable of that sort of system.

3) HEY FELLOW READERS - WE JUST FOUND A HOUSE RESELLER!
Okay, I don't think you're actually a reseller but that sort of thing does nothing to help legitimate FCs. It would make it fairly easy to get a personal house by abusing the FC system. Make FC. Buy house. Kick other members. House defaults to personal. FC Master disbands FC because they now own a personal house. It wouldn't work for players who already own a personal house on the same world (and you'd have to come up with a way for the system to handle those situations so it doesn't cause some sort of error that may impact all players).

Suggestion to correct supply issues:
Implement a proper instanced housing system so it no longer matters who owns what.

To comment on Point 3 - The reason I suggested it is because as it stands...1 man FCs can bring in a player and give up leadership 30 days later. The point of this was to require a reseller to use 4 of the 8 slots if they want to sell a solo FC rather then simply have 8 FCs per world. The reason I made the suggestion was to allow folks to become a FC should they already own a personal essentially removing the need for FC vs Personal wards.

Better way to reduce supply issues:

SE has another 'Zero Bug' moment when they turn on demo, the latest intern made a mistake about 8 months ago using "< 45 Days" instead of "> 45 Days"

Everyone but retired players loses their house.

(does it need a joke tag?)

"The point of this was to require a reseller to use 4 of the 8 slots if they want to sell a solo FC rather then simply have 8 FCs per world."

You've never heard of having multiple subscriptions I take it.

Before something is suggested for any game, the first consideration mist be: "How will players find a way to abuse it?"

Need to think of as many possible ways of abuse as you can, then try to find a way to prevent any of them from happening.

As others have already pointed out, your suggestion doesn't do that.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

The reason I made the suggestion was to allow folks to become a FC should they already own a personal essentially removing the need for FC vs Personal wards.

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SE is adding in the unrestricted purchase wards with the patch on Tuesday so not needing to designate wards as one or the other is now covered. They can shift between FC, personal and unrestricted as they feel is needed based on lottery entry patterns.

As for allowing a personal house to become a FC house, that again would become a tool for those who want to sell houses. Take what they can get (whether personal or FC). If personal, convert to FC. Bring in the buyer, wait the 30 days so the buyer can be made FC master then follow the remaining suggested steps to convert it back to personal but under the new FC master.

No matter what complicated system we could come up with, SE will never implement a system that would cause unnecessary problems for legitimate FCs and resellers would find a way to take advantage of those that don't.

If we want to be bid of resellers then we need to be rid of plot limits altogether. That doesn't mean just ensuring every player can get a plot easily. That means ensuring that every player can get the plot of their choice easily not to mention multiple houses if that is their desire.

The irony is that by making it possible for every player to get the house(s) they want to own, you end up reducing demand. A lot of the current demand is generated by the lack of supply. You have the resellers looking for profit. You have the prestige seekers who feel special for owning something others can't get. You have the players that aren't really interested in housing at the moment yet may be in the future, but if they don't buy now when something is available they may not be able to get a house when they do want one.

To Paal Henrik - I have and end of the day if some reseller is going to run a army of accounts to buy up a ward I am sure SE will gladly take their money; as it stands anyone can currently lockdown essentially a 6th of a ward by themselves; the idea is to increase supply while its not feasible to eradicate the issue. No solution is going to be flawless.

To Jojoya - I think the unrestricted wards idea is generally a mistake; as making "personal Fcs" seems to be a growing trend and which in turn will result in a increase in resellers; the difference is not that the personal bidders will now be in competition with the FC resellers. On the surface this means that 1 "personal FC" can essentially slam a desireable plot with 8+ bids potentially; rendering private bidders at a significant disadvantage. At the same time it will likely result in the unrestricted ward system data being skewed - it will show MANY FC bidders more then it will show private bidders; suggesting FC demand is up.

To address the concern of reselling with a home becoming a personal home - you would need 4 people to become a FC again. So if the reseller brought someone into the FC to sell - that would still mean that 4 of the resellers character slots are now being used for the next 60 days - drastically reducing their ability to propagate without expending significant $$$ into SE's pocket (30 days to become a FC again - 30 days of the person being a member) The general idea is to try and allow player agency to manipulate the housing wards toward their own (example if you have a private and wish to sell; I don't see a issue with it seeing as right now the requirement to own a private home is significantly higher then a FC) though in hindsight - I would like to figure out how to avoid giving a personal to a character unable to get one due to lack of GC rank; alts having privates isn't really a concern due to the 1 world restriction anyways. This was why I suggested a FC degrade to a Personal if the FC does not maintain it (because if you and 2 friends are your entire FC you could always just share the estate anyways)

I think *some* scarcity in the market should be accepted as your right that home ownership should be a level of prestige. I do think flooding the market with housing will sadly result in it also just not being a thing for many.

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Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse

I think *some* scarcity in the market should be accepted as your right that home ownership should be a level of prestige. I do think flooding the market with housing will sadly result in it also just not being a thing for many.

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Then we'll never be rid of the resellers. Resellers thrive off prestige systems. What do you think helps to drive real world black markets?

There's nothing wrong with turning housing into "just a thing" for many. Those who feel it's "just a thing" will ignore it. Those who actually enjoy housing will be better able to enjoy it.

Prestige systems should be based on things that represent meaningful accomplishment, such as completing Ultimate, and not on RNG.

Make every single plot in the game upgradable zu medium or large by paying the respective amount of gil.
Add a really huge amount of wards, even if it takes longer to acomplish. Because releasing them in small batches always allows house flippers to prepare for it.
Add instanced housing somewhere, that is relocatable to plots, to accomodate for people / FCs who were not lucky enough on their lottery attempts.

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Originally Posted by Xelanar

Make every single plot in the game upgradable zu medium or large by paying the respective amount of gil.
Add a really huge amount of wards, even if it takes longer to acomplish. Because releasing them in small batches always allows house flippers to prepare for it.
Add instanced housing somewhere, that is relocatable to plots, to accomodate for people / FCs who were not lucky enough on their lottery attempts.

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First part is not possible due to the fact that the plot sizes are quite different. There is no space to be able to turn a small plot into a medium or large within the currently configured wards.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

First part is not possible due to the fact that the plot sizes are quite different. There is no space to be able to turn a small plot into a medium or large within the currently configured wards.

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That is... fairly obvious I think. I do trust in the dev teams ability to MAKE things like these possible, and I guess all people suggesting changes do? Else what sense would suggesting changes make, if "currently not possible" was a valid limitation?

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Originally Posted by Xelanar

That is... fairly obvious I think. I do trust in the dev teams ability to MAKE things like these possible, and I guess all people suggesting changes do? Else what sense would suggesting changes make, if "currently not possible" was a valid limitation?

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It would require redrawing the entire ward so that all plots were of large size. This would make the ward layout look ridiculous if not fully populated with large houses. Additionally, you would have people complaining if they were to be situated on such large plots of land but were not allowed to use all of it without upgrading. Might as well go all the way and make each house a large but then you would have people complaining that the base cost to get into housing is beyond their reach. What you are asking for has serious negative consequences if taken to its final conclusion. A better suggestion would be to apply that idea for expandability to an instanced system such as apartments.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

It would require redrawing the entire ward so that all plots were of large size. This would make the ward layout look ridiculous if not fully populated with large houses. Additionally, you would have people complaining if they were to be situated on such large plots of land but were not allowed to use all of it without upgrading. Might as well go all the way and make each house a large but then you would have people complaining that the base cost to get into housing is beyond their reach. What you are asking for has serious negative consequences if taken to its final conclusion. A better suggestion would be to apply that idea for expandability to an instanced system such as apartments.

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Would it not only look ridiculous, if developers decided to make it look ridiculous? It's not like they could not just decorate small / medium sized plots with stuff, to have them blend in nicely.

Redesigning all ward layouts to accomodate for large plots is a ton of work, but it certainly would get rid of SOME scarcity issues.

Maybe it's just me, but I see no drawback in having every plot be the same. I only see a huge amount of work to make it happen.

They could add a floor to smalls and maybe mediums but changing the size and making them all large wouldn't look good in my view especially from a neighborhood perspective.

Instanced housing would be better suited to providing more large plots.

Just have instanced housing. That way, you can have your pick to buy an apartment in the slums, a mansion akin to the levilleur estate or even own an entire castle like the one in il mheg.

Also, there will be no paissa/carbuncle/chocobo/gingerbread neighbors to ruin your view every time you port to your own house.