Did Bahumat save us from a worse fate?

Was randomly looking at an article about asteroids hitting Earth and it got me thinking.

This might be more of a math question than a lore question but if Dalamud had just crashed down at high speed, wouldn't it have wiped out like half the planet?

They're completely different things. Asteroids come out of deeper space at speeds of miles per second. Dalamud slowly came out of its orbit near the moon and still took a lot of time to get here and even in the trailer it was moving extremely slowly.

If Bahamut didn't break out of it, the worst that would happen is that there'd be a crater in Cartenau with a possibly very intact Dalamud just sitting there. If anything, Bahamut made it worse because he ejected pieces of Dalamud out at Eorzea at speeds faster than Dalamud was originally traveling and that's what caused much of the damage in the areas around the Coils.

Arguably, Dalamud would still be in orbit if not for Bahamut tempering Nael van Darnus to treat it as a colony-drop situation in the first place.

So as this question is currently constructed, at best he made a bad situation that was his own fault slightly less bad, no? lol

(If that pushes the consideration up a level, I say 100% Ascian blame in all directions and Bahamut was just a multi-purpose tool for their aims from start to finish.)

Forget it, Anonymoose. It's Necrotica. They're a weird contrarian troll.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Forget it, Anonymoose. It's Necrotica. They're a weird contrarian troll.

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You spend a lot of time trying to stop people from talking on these forums. Are you secretly working for another game?

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Arguably, Dalamud would still be in orbit if not for Bahamut tempering Nael van Darnus to treat it as a colony-drop situation in the first place.

So as this question is currently constructed, at best he made a bad situation that was his own fault slightly less bad, no? lol

(If that pushes the consideration up a level, I say 100% Ascian blame in all directions and Bahamut was just a multi-purpose tool for their aims from start to finish.)

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Though it makes you wonder just how much autonomy Bahamut had in his actions...were they part of a plan set up by the Ascians? Or was Bahamut's actions just something the Ascians used for convenience? And what was even their plan for dealing with him once he had ushered in the 7th Calamity had Louisoix not saved the realm? It would be hard to recover and set things up for another Calamity if Bahamut had thrown things out of balance enough.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Though it makes you wonder just how much autonomy Bahamut had in his actions...were they part of a plan set up by the Ascians? Or was Bahamut's actions just something the Ascians used for convenience? And what was even their plan for dealing with him once he had ushered in the 7th Calamity had Louisoix not saved the realm? It would be hard to recover and set things up for another Calamity if Bahamut had thrown things out of balance enough.

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We do know that the Ascians gave the dragons the idea to summon him (thanks Tiamat), and we also know that the Ascians were behind the events that led to the Calamity caused by Dalamud. ...and the other Calamity caused by Dalamud. This doesn't mean that it was a single ongoing completely prepared plan from beginning to end, though; what we can generally gather from the Ascians as we've seen is that they tended to set up a whole bunch of potential bombs for the future and just lead society to them as they became Calamity-viable on sort of a 'long-term ad-hoc' basis. We don't really know what the entire picture around Allag was like, but remember that at this point we're aware of at least five of their potential triggers for the Eighth Calamity (Ultima Weapon, Thordan, Alexander, the primal Eureka, Black Rose); we can reasonably assume that they had more than just those irons in the fire in Allag's day.

So yeah, Bahamut was part of a plan, but the plan was basically 'step one Bahamut, step two ???, step three profit planetary destruction'; they probably didn't know exactly what they were gonna do with him when they caused him. Similarly, I can't imagine that they had a plan for 'dealing with him' after re-awakening him in the first place; the Ascians didn't actually care how many people died to their Calamities and were always extremely happy to wait another thousand years like they normally did. Louisoix managing to cut it short while it still being a Calamity for their purposes was actually just a happy accident--and one they weren't the most ready for, in fact, it's why they're a lot more blatant in the live game than they were in 1.0, they're all kinda panicking and overexcited that they get to try again so soon.


Also, in regards to the original OP question, it's actually even more flawed than Anonymoose suggested: Dalamud wouldn't be up there if it weren't for Bahamut in the first place, since it literally exists to use him as a power source. 'If it weren't for Bahamut Dalamud would've hit even worse' is folly, since if it weren't for Bahamut they wouldn't have invented and launched Dalamud anyway. ...but if there weren't a Dalamud then the Ascians would've triggered the Fourth and Seventh Calamities with other things anyway.

trolls gotta be trolls.

I am amazed how fixated some of you are on the title and not the post itself. CNN must love you.

if Dalamud had just crashed down at high speed, wouldn't it have wiped out like half the planet?

That is the core question of the post. Would a moon the size of Dalamud cause more damage had it just been allowed to drop down on Eorzea instead of lowering it to the point that Bahamut could safely hatch since hatching in orbit was not an option for him for some reason.

no... they have answered that and pointed out it was falling slow enough that it would have made maybe a dalamud sized crater and thats all. it was when baha broke out that things got worse sending shrapnel flying in every direction at almost 50 times the original fall speed. so no baha did not save us from worse but made it worse.

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

I am amazed how fixated some of you are on the title and not the post itself. CNN must love you.

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(Emphasis mine) There's no need for this. You asked two questions, each a question that would bring in different kinds of people. Some people chose to answer one question, some chose to answer another. Your two questions were:

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Did Bahamut save us from a worse fate?

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If Dalamud had just crashed down at high speed, wouldn't it have wiped out like half the planet?

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These questions feel a bit misleading and purposefully made to be different in order to confuse or cause contention in the best way possible. However, I'll answer both questions to the best of my personal ability.

1. Did Bahamut save us from a worse fate?
- No. Bahamut was the only reason Dalamud dropped down to begin with. He did not save us from a worse fate, since said fate only ever threatened us because of Bahamut's existence. Dalamud dropped down because Bahamut, who was enshrined within it, enthralled Nael van Darnus who then set off the chain of events leading to Dalamud dropping down.

TL;DR1: No, Bahamut did not save us from a worse fate as said fate would never have occurred had Bahamut not existed.

2. If Dalamud had just crashed down at high speed, wouldn't it have wiped out like half the planet?
Of course if a moon the size of Dalamud crashed down on Etheirys at high speeds, much like an asteroid, it would've wiped out half the planet. In fact, it's possible the entire planet would just become an empty husk without life for millions of years - or maybe ever again. The amount of heat generated would evaporate all water on the planet - including the atmosphere - in an instant. Anything in the immediate vicinity would disintegrate (If you've ever seen pictures of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or the pictures of Pompeii's victims posed, flash heated in action, you've got an idea of how fast this would be). Any life left behind would likely be amoebas or Etheirys' equivalent to roaches. Certain rodents would also probably survive if they're far enough away and lucky enough to not die of heat. We have some rodents on Earth that don't need water to survive, and I'd imagine it would be the same on Etheirys.

TL;DR2: Of course life on Etheirys would cease to exist, does this need to be a question?

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

I am amazed how fixated some of you are on the title and not the post itself. CNN must love you.

if Dalamud had just crashed down at high speed, wouldn't it have wiped out like half the planet?

That is the core question of the post. Would a moon the size of Dalamud cause more damage had it just been allowed to drop down on Eorzea instead of lowering it to the point that Bahamut could safely hatch since hatching in orbit was not an option for him for some reason.

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Asteroids are powerful and dangerous because they're moving super fast, building up momentum as they come from the outer solar system or even beyond.

Dalamud came from point blank in comparison and is completely hollow. It never would have attained the speed an asteroid does and may not even have done as much damage as one if dropped from the same height.

As I said before, Bahamut exploding Dalamud in the atmosphere like a shotgun blast at Eorzea probably did more damage. A similar situation in Mobile Suit Gundam when a space colony is de-orbited from roughly the same distance ended up just turning Sydney into a crater. If Bahamut is roughly the size of a city, then Dalamud is about the same size as that space colony. Ground zero was the unpopulated wastes of Cartenau so we'd have a big ol' crater and some earthquakes as the worst of it and that's likely it.


While I like most random lore questions, this and some other recent ones really don't seem to serve a purpose and I'm not sure why you even asked. The scenario you're presenting never had a hint of happening from the beginning since players back then watched how slow it was coming and even in the scenario "what if it was the speed of an asteroid", the answer is extremely obvious.

If we're making up random scenarios to ask "what if" and the Allagans had super jets attached to Dalamud to destroy the world if it deorbited, then in my counter-scenario, the Scions defeat them by making a giant golem the size of a mountain and have it pick up the Crystal Tower like a baseball bat and hit it away where it flies into space and hits Endsinger in the head, killing her and everyone is saved.

For whatever it's worth, 1.0 actually did spend quite a bit of time highlighting that the entire continent of Aldenard would indeed be "reduced to ash".

That's why Gaius was against it.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

For whatever it's worth, 1.0 actually did spend quite a bit of time highlighting that the entire continent of Aldenard would indeed be "reduced to ash".

That's why Gaius was against it.

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To clarify, it's less that calling it down to fall on the planet would destroy everything with it's physical mass in itself and more that they already knew it was a weapon with tons of energy since simply waking it briefly had already melted Bozja. Cid told us as much in 1.0.

It had the power to vaporize a city from space and the Garleans were trying to control it and bring it to Eorzea. Which brings us again to the fact that it's Bahamut that's powering it (something something fire aether, sun's rays, dragon primal) and Bahamut that makes it more dangerous.

OP's ask seems to be completely absent of anything to do with Bahamut and purely as a satellite falling from orbit near the moon.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

OP's ask seems to be completely absent of anything to do with Bahamut and purely as a satellite falling from orbit near the moon.

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Because, again, as I keep saying: they're an extremely blatant, one-trick troll. Their argument is intentionally flimsy, half-baked and poorly-constructed, because the intention isn't to actually make any points, it's to piss people off and start arguments. Notice how they've started going for personal attacks rather than even remotely trying to defend or reconstruct their point, or address any of the myriad counterarguments. Because the aim isn't to say something they feel is pertinent, it's to attack people.

I've been on the internet quite a long time, I've seen a lot of trolls, and Necrotica's not even one of the good ones.

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

Asteroids are powerful and dangerous because they're moving super fast, building up momentum as they come from the outer solar system or even beyond.

Dalamud came from point blank in comparison and is completely hollow. It never would have attained the speed an asteroid does and may not even have done as much damage as one if dropped from the same height.

As I said before, Bahamut exploding Dalamud in the atmosphere like a shotgun blast at Eorzea probably did more damage. A similar situation in Mobile Suit Gundam when a space colony is de-orbited from roughly the same distance ended up just turning Sydney into a crater. If Bahamut is roughly the size of a city, then Dalamud is about the same size as that space colony. Ground zero was the unpopulated wastes of Cartenau so we'd have a big ol' crater and some earthquakes as the worst of it and that's likely it.


While I like most random lore questions, this and some other recent ones really don't seem to serve a purpose and I'm not sure why you even asked. The scenario you're presenting never had a hint of happening from the beginning since players back then watched how slow it was coming and even in the scenario "what if it was the speed of an asteroid", the answer is extremely obvious.

If we're making up random scenarios to ask "what if" and the Allagans had super jets attached to Dalamud to destroy the world if it deorbited, then in my counter-scenario, the Scions defeat them by making a giant golem the size of a mountain and have it pick up the Crystal Tower like a baseball bat and hit it away where it flies into space and hits Endsinger in the head, killing her and everyone is saved.

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While Dalamud was hollow it was also made of Allegan metals. So it could potentially have been heavier than a natural moon would be. And also just the opposite. Could be super light metals seeing as they had to put the thing in orbit. Or assemble it in orbit.

And for other comments about needing to be travelling at extreme speed, the concept of kinetic bombardment from orbit doesn't necessarily need to start at high speed. It is a long drop and plenty of time to build enough momentum via gravity to cause massive damage.