I have entered 8 housing lotteries and I have lost all of them, so can someone tell me how many I gotta enter before I win? Cause losing week after week is starting to annoy me.
How many housing lotteries do I have to enter before I win?
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12-25-2022, 05:49 AMEph4790How many housing lotteries do I have to enter before I win?
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12-25-2022, 06:14 AMLaylaTsarra
The best chance for a house is when the wards first go live and picking one that isn't a prime location would help a lot. Maybe one in Ul Dah which has the least demand. Sure everyone wants the prime spot but they'll have a lot more bids and your chances will be a lot less.
I would also recommend waiting until the morning the lottery closes to try and find a house that has 0 bids or maybe 1 or 2 if you can't find one with no bids but i'll bet there will be some with none. Lots of people try for those prime spots first round and it's better to have A HOUSE that you can always try and upgrade in the second round or when more wards are added in the future.
When the new wards are added in January with the patch that is what I would recommend.
Also moving to a new Data Center almost guarantees you get a house but not everyone is willing to make that type of move. -
12-25-2022, 06:23 AMEph4790
I moved from Crystal to Primal and have been trying for a house since I have arrived with no luck as I have stated. But I usually go look at the spots before I bid, if there are multiple open spots, and pick the none prime location ones. But even then by the time the entry period is over the spot I bid one went from like 11 people to 50+. Every housing bid I have enter for smalls has 50+ participants in it.
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12-25-2022, 06:39 AMLaylaTsarraYes it's late in the lottery now. Most plots are gone. They will be adding 6 wards (regular and subdivision) with 6.3 that is your best chance for house when those go live. Again I would wait for the morning the lottery closes before bidding and try and find one with 0 or few bids. That's going to be 1800 houses although we don't know how many will be allocated to Free Companies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eph4790
They haven't announced the date houses will go on sale but could be day 1 with the patch and as you know you will have 5 days to bid. -
12-25-2022, 06:47 AMEph4790
Yea that is probably my best chance to win is to wait but I'm impatience lol so I will probably keep bidding till then, but I just find losing 8 housing lotteries in a row just stupid and annoying
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12-25-2022, 07:39 AMLaylaTsarraYou can't win if you don't bid so good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eph4790
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12-25-2022, 12:31 PMdspguyIf you are bidding against 100s of other people, the odds are not in your favor. That is simply the nature of it. When new wards come out, either wait until the 11th hour and bid on the plot with the lowest number of bids, or jump in and bid immediately in the hopes that players will look to bid on plots with 0 bids and leave your plot alone for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eph4790
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12-25-2022, 02:33 PMBattler-UshiromiyaSkill issue lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Eph4790
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12-25-2022, 05:23 PMReinha
NA has a new data center with lots of available plots.
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12-25-2022, 07:59 PMDeNada
I know people have been advising till the last day to place your bid but that could run into danger that by the last day, every single plot would have at least one bid so your chance becomes less certain.
While it's good advice, I would even go further to recommend that you place your bid on a one with zero bids one to two days before the lottery ends when 6.3 release. That way, there's a chance that you will be the sole bid if you place yours on a less popular plot such as one in the outskirts of Toblet.
That being said, I'm just gonna go straight for LB-41 myself since if I miss this chance, I probably won't get another forever since I'm on Balmung. -
12-25-2022, 10:07 PMPratiniThis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
Both Marilith and Maduin still has tons of available private plots. -
12-25-2022, 10:49 PMPablomaldito
On an established server, it is very likely that you will never win a housing lottery for a personal house. The highest chance will come whenever new housing wards are added. At that point, the probability of getting a house can possibly reach over 10% - but that's just for one round and in subsequent rounds the chance of getting a house will rapidly drop back to near impossible levels. Going to a new server that still has plenty of housing available is the only way to get a guaranteed personal house. In Dynamis, there are still about 1000 personal houses left on Marilith & Maduin. Halicarnassus has about 500 left. Seraph is full - don't go there if you want a personal house.
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12-25-2022, 11:03 PMPablomalditoWhen Empyreum launched, every personal house had over 10 bids on Balmung. I don't think there will be any 0 bid plots left a couple days before the end of the lottery. It's still a good idea to wait until later just to ensure you don't end up in a freak situation with a lot of bidders, but really the best you can hope for is to have 1 or 2 bids below the average. And if you're thinking about something like LB-41, I'd strongly suggest waiting until near the end to assess your move. You cannot hurt your chances by waiting - especially if you're eyeing something that's gonna have a ton of bids anyway. Your presence as the first bidder will not deter anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeNada
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12-25-2022, 11:46 PMPaalHenrik
I bought 8 lottery tickets over 8 weeks. Did not win a thing, lost money because it costs money to play the lotto and I didn't get my money back. I demand a win.
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12-26-2022, 04:10 AMEph4790skill issue? oh right you are the one who made the thread that getting a house before the lottery was a skill and adding more wards would "take away from that achievement" or something along those lines. forever marked as a troll in my eyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya
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12-26-2022, 04:12 AMEph4790Yea i have thought bout it but i have good friends on the world im on with a small fc house that we change decorations, or at least try to, on seasons. so i don't wanna lose thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Pratini
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12-26-2022, 04:16 AMEph4790
I appreciate everyone's reply except that troll, you are all right it would be best to either wait till new wards are added in 6.3 or wait till the day before or morning of the last day. I was really hoping some from SE would reply with something but I probably won't get that reply lol
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12-26-2022, 10:55 AMPablomalditoNo, its not best to wait until new wards are added in 6.3! The strategies we were talking about were specifically for that single round when the new 6.3 wards are added. If you want to get a personal house on your server, you have to participate in every lottery round even though the chance of winning is extremely small. The launch of 6.3 will just offer you a single round where your chance of winning may be higher than 10%, but that's it. There will never be a time when you actually even have a decent chance of winning a personal house. The launch of 6.3 will just be when you have the least terrible odds of winning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eph4790
The only way to get a guaranteed house on an established server is to make a shell FC and snap up a FC house. Those remain available for a long time after the launch of new wards. Make your FC ASAP if you want to go this route, because you must be in the FC for 30 days to be eligible to bid for a house on its behalf. -
12-26-2022, 05:53 PMshadowclasperPlease don't actually make a shell fc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablomaldito
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12-26-2022, 10:18 PMPablomalditoThis is excellent advice for anyone who wants a very good chance to never own a house.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowclasper
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12-26-2022, 11:03 PMEph4790I'm going to keep participating in lotteries when available until I win. Not going to sit and wait til 6.3. But I'm not going to make a shell fc for a house, that's just too much of a hassle for me personally. Just wush there was some kind of bad luck counter that was in effect for situations like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablomaldito
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12-26-2022, 11:29 PMjustausername
I've bid in 23 of the 25 lotteries and haven't won. Just keep trying. The new ward split is very disheartening and likely wont give a good chance after this mornings announcement. So just keep trying. Auto demo might at least keep plots coming to try on.
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12-26-2022, 11:39 PMUkcsAliasLets see how many wards will have the same name FC show up several times because someone decided to spam bids with lots of alts, which then also doesnt even get punished.Quote:
Originally Posted by justausername
With over 100 people having that counter maxed and 1 house per cycle available, your odds wont improve yet. It just makes relocations less likely to succeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eph4790
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12-26-2022, 11:56 PMjustausernamewell I mean even if they spam bids, they can only claim one plot. Even if they win several, they can only claim 1, the rest they have to let recycle and lose 50% of the gil they put on it for not claiming it.Quote:
Originally Posted by UkcsAlias
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12-27-2022, 03:35 AMThemarvinJust one... and if it is not good enough goto a server with a bigger selection of housing if it is that important to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eph4790
Also you can ask the people on this forum that defend grandfathering, got multiple houses or FC's cross servers for the only reason of greeding piling houses up calling it being enthusiasts about it and why so many need to have just more of a ressource that already is very limited. -
12-27-2022, 04:09 AMEph4790Yea I'm not a fan of people owning multiple houses across alts. I think they should limit it to two houses per DC per account and it can be a combination of either two fc houses, two privates OR one of each. Cause I have seen fc wards with bout 7 of the same guild tags and that shouldn't be allowedQuote:
Originally Posted by Themarvin
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12-27-2022, 09:12 AMJojoyaIt honestly depends on how many players and FCs on your world are still trying to get a house. It may not be as bad as feared on some worlds (F for Balmung and Mateus).Quote:
Originally Posted by justausername
Just don't go after one of the plots that everyone wants. Go after one with little interest. That way you at least have a house with your foot in the door. You can always relocate to a better house later.
It may not end up that bad with the first lottery only 3 weeks away. Those running the shell FCs would already need to have them set up to enter. Any formed this week will not be eligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by UkcsAlias
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12-27-2022, 09:23 AMjustausernamesame tag =/= same FC, tags are not exclusive. You can have the same tag as another FC on the same server, and have nothing to do with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eph4790
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12-27-2022, 11:36 AMDeNadaI mean, you can put two and two together and surmise that the FCs with the same tag on the same housing ward are usually owned by a single player.Quote:
Originally Posted by justausername
I don't know what to say to you if you still insist otherwise. -
12-28-2022, 01:25 AMSaya_Shriogane
https://i.imgur.com/4s7Di2V.png
https://i.imgur.com/nCbmU7C.png
So this is the same FC, with just deferent number added. Also.. you can find offers like this:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...4473/image.png
Which probably was reported but nothing was done about it. -
12-28-2022, 03:36 AMPaalHenrikYour last picture is from a scammer website. Why are you looking there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saya_Shriogane
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12-28-2022, 06:33 AMjustausernameIts impossible to own multiple FCs on one character, and to own multiple FC houses with one FC unless it was grandfathered in from the times when it was allowed during Stormblood and prior.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeNada
What you are seeing is probably someone with multiple characters owning multiple FCs, and then they have a 2nd account as well. Which is not actually against ToS... yes its hella annoying, and I am not a fan of these people either, they are greedy jack butts. But its not against ToS so long as they intend to actually use them and not resell them. ESPECALLY in an RMT trade. But if they aren't reselling, there is nothing stopping them except their non existent conscience from having 8 FC houses per world, per account and having multiple accounts and paying multiple sub fees. -
12-28-2022, 07:08 AMLaylaTsarraFC's are not grandfathered private home were/are. 4.2 stopped the purchasing of more than one private per character per server. Anyone owning more than one private home before the new rules were grandfathered in. That is over 4 years ago and it's working as intended.Quote:
Originally Posted by justausername
It's on SE to fix the FC fiasco and they've done a pretty poor job of that so far. FC houses belong to the Free Company and the master is essentially the guardian of that house which he/she can lose if they do not log in for 35 days or they can transfer leadership. -
12-28-2022, 07:15 PMSaya_Shriogane
Picture popped during discussion on discord about new FC house. If you look long enough into housing you can find such sites, and i highly doubt that SQE doesn't know about them. Yet nothing is being done, instead we are told to be happy that we have all equal chance of winning even if (this from last lottery) they are 0.65%. But its not zero right? Also if you tell me that making 17 FC's (or more) containing 4 characters each naming them ABC [1..N] to buy out whole ward is not for RMT purpose im gonna laugh.
This system is not working ("unless it works" as some like to say) and wont work as influx of players makes it only worse, this is frustrating and going each time to pick up my money (as they cannot be sent apparently) only makes how some of us feel worse. It's like saying "oh here is your money and by the way how do you like this house on plot you didn't win?". I give up on even getting a private house, this is just unnecessary frustration due to system that wasn't prepared to handle growing popularity of the game.
Before it was bots, now its too many people and wards not being cleaned from RMT buyers. -
12-28-2022, 08:48 PMPaalHenrikSome people just have OCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saya_Shriogane
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12-28-2022, 09:32 PMReinhaPeople may not remember this, but on new ward releases people did not have to wait for any invisible timer that would have given bots an advantage. The bots were only a problem for plots that were demolished or auto-demolished. First come first serve meant that you could zone into a newly released ward, walk to a house that had not been bought, and then simply buy it. I managed to buy a house several times that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saya_Shriogane
Then people asked for a lottery and here we are. :) -
12-29-2022, 02:31 PMJojoyaLaughter is the best medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saya_Shriogane
Some are. Most aren't. You have players that love to decorate and want to control how the ward looks. You have other players who love the workshop theorycrafting and want access to more workshops to play with different builds (only 4 subs is not enough to accomplish that).
Of those that are purchased for RMT purposes, most aren't being bought for resale. They're being purchased to get access to gardens and workshop to earn gil from selling shards on the marketboard and vendoring salvaged accessories ("100% hand-farmed! No bots involved!") and then selling that gil. While the initial start up cost is a lot, once the right parts are built and access to the correct sectors gained, a very nice gil income is generated.
We can complain about players taking advantage of what SE allows all we want, but ultimately the problem is SE allowing it because they'd rather rely on what rules can be enforced through programming than pay a couple of employees to run reports and monitor things manually. They'd have to make some pretty significant changes to the housing system to put a stop to it, and those changes would like also negatively impact players who are staying within spirit of the system as much as the letter.
SE backed themselves into a corner when they originally decided that housing should be FC only and that they would use that system to support personal housing as well. They should have made personal separate from the start as they had originally announced.
I remember those days. I got my first house and my current house that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
It's also days long past. It hasn't been possible on any NA servers since Spring 2019 because SE wouldn't take steps to make certain supply kept up with demand and made shell FCs a more reliable way to obtain a house for personal use since the advent of the lottery than buying a personal house directly. -
12-29-2022, 10:31 PMYodadaYou highly overestimate people who gobble up houses doing it for the whole purpose of selling gil. The time / gil invest isnt worth month of setup till you see a penny gained back for a RMT Service. RMT is done due to quick access and quickly repeatable farms like the shard desynth farming back in the days or the still existing Eureka Bun BotsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
That's what you get from listening to the forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
Square: Introducing FC Housing
Players: I WANT PERSONAL HOUSES ! I WANT THEM NOW !
Square: Here, but I warn you that the riches could take more then one.
Players: DONT CARE - WANT HOUSE
~ Not enough Houses available ~
Players: *sadPikachuFace*
Square: Told you so.
Players: NO HOUSES. IM NOT ONLINE. ALL ARE ALREADY GONE. AS A 5 MIN WARRIOR OF LIGHT I HAVE NO CHANCES TO BE ON TIME FOR AUTODEMO.
Square: Introducing Placard Timer
Players: I DONT WANT TO CLICK for 2 HOURS. I DONT WANT TO COMPETE AGAINST WHOLE FCs. ITS UNFAIR. ALL SHALL HAVE THE SAME CHANCES. SCREE
Square: Are you sure about that?
Players: SCREE. GIMME LOTTERY.
Square: Introducing Lottery with One Ticket per Person
Players: *sadPikachuFace*
Square: Told you so.
Players: PEOPLE MAKING SHELLS TO GET A HOUSE !
Square: 4 Characters / Rank 6 FC. Working as intended.
Players: BUT THOSE ARE SOLO FC ! I WANT PERSONALS !
Square: Introducing more Wards.
Players: BUT I DONT WANT TO LIVE IN GOBLET. I WANT MIST 5 OR LAVENDER 41.
Let me guess whats next?
Players: ALL SHOULD BE PUNISHED ! HOUSE TAXES FOR EVERYONE !
Square: Are you sure about that?
Players: HELL YEAH. PUNISH EVERYONE - DONT CARE.
Square: Introducing Taxes.
Players: TAXES ARE PUNISHING. I CANT AFFORD MY HOUSE WITH JUST SITTING IN LIMSA TO PRESENT MY SLUT GLAM *sadPikachuFace* -
12-29-2022, 11:49 PMdspguy
That is actually a relatively accurate portrayal of the playerbase on the whole (not any specific individual).
You did leave one out though:
Players: EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A HOUSE!
Square: Ok, we will make that our priority now.
Square: Introducing housing for all!
Players: Housing isn't special anymore!
Players: Wait, why haven't we had a new content update in a few months?
Square: We spent the money on hardware and rewriting code to make it so everyone could have a house.
Players: But I don't want to just hang around my house wearing my glam. I want to slay dragons! /ragequit
Square: Told you so. -
12-30-2022, 10:05 AMJojoyaHow am I overestimating when I never stated any sort of number are doing it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yodada
Do some players do it? Yes. I'm not even referring to organized RMT services. I'm talking players selling gil "under the table" to other players. I know of one player that was doing it as recently as 5.5 though I haven't seen him around in Endwalker so maybe he got caught and banned, or maybe he gave up. But I know for certain he had been buying houses to set up gardens and workshops to farm gil to sell casually.
The long term costs for those running workshop farms is less than the cost of setting up those workshops individually because parts no longer needed in one workshop can be transferred to another. There's still some time investment to get sectors unlocked but that's not going to matter to those who are doing this casually almost as a hobby/side job instead of as an organized business.
Is the number using housing to make and sell gil high? No. There's probably no more than a handful per server doing it.