My Idea of How To Buff Sage

I may be in the minority with my opinions, but I want to see what others think of my ideas on how to buff Sage. Feel free to share your thoughts on if you agree or disagree or other ideas you have. Overall I think SCH is better for being the dedicated shielder, but Sage is by no means a detriment to a party. My issues are mainly tied to the job's damage.

Rhizomata. Give this two stacks of Addersgall. As it is currently the ability has a long cooldown time while not being a great recovery tool so I think two stacks would make it much more viable. Pneuma. I think this should be a dps gain by about 70 potency giving a reason to use this consistently throughout a fight.

Eukrasian Dyskrasia, new interaction to put a dot on multiple enemies at once. That would make dungeons much easier in terms of spreading dots and it would still fit the Eukrasia identity. The MP cost would raise though. I'd probably have it cost about 800 MP, so doubling the cost similar to how Eukrasian Diagnosis doubles the cost of Diagnosis.

Pepsis is the only ability I'd say is not very useful. I've used it on occasion, don't get me wrong, but in general there's not really a situation I want to remove a shield to heal, and the time it takes to place a shield, use Pepsis, then add another shield is way too long so remove this ability and add a single target damage ability like a Phlegma for single target with higher potency (shares stacks with Phlegma) or a Toxicon for single target (dps gain with no cast time, thus giving us two abilities for Addersting). Those would be new abilities to replace Pepsis though so we'd have more options.

Soteria is really useful but I feel like it needs something to warrant a 90 second cooldown. I've seen the idea thrown around that it makes an AOE version of Kardia and that's a really interesting idea, you have an AOE Kardia that gives a 289 potency cure for 5 damaging abilities, making it very useful for group healing and dungeon pulls. This would not stack with Zoe.

Concerning Addersting, we'd need more ways of generating this if we're going to have a dps gain for using it so I would have Panhaima, Haima, and Holos all generate one Addersting on ability use (not on shield breaking like Eukrasian Diagnosis).This would provide a reason to use each ability consistently through a fight which is my primary goal with these SGE changes. If a new Addersting ability for single target is not added, Toxicon should receive a small potency buff of about 70 potency, similar to my suggestion for Pneuma, giving us an incentive to use it throughout a fight and not only for movement. Another idea I have for generating Addersting is to have both Panhaima and Holos provide one for each party member effected up to a total of three, but I'm not sure how broken that would make the abilities so I'm hesitant to make it more than one.

Let me know what you all think about these changes or if you have any other ideas!

As somebody who has been known to occasionally play SGE for reclears (because everyone and their mother wants to play WHM in PF), my 2cents:

Rhizomata: Not the ideal solution imo as it'd cause even more overcap, Rhizo's problem to me is never 'it only generates one' but 'it gives one which can cause overcap', a lot of the time im just sat on it cos i'm at 3 stacks already, making it 'next spender is free' like Recitation would be a big help for it IMO, if it needs more it could just have the low hanging fruit of 'generates 1 Addersting' attached so we can generate Toxicon more reliably

Pneuma: Definitely not ideal, if it were damage positive in any way people would be dumping it in the 2m window for more DPS instead of using it as a healing tool (it even has a 2min CD). The fact it's a 600p burst heal (900 with Zoe) should be enough reason to consistently use it

Eukrasian Dyskrasia: Nice idea to allow multidotting, but the two words that make it's name are kinda contradictory, I had a similar idea but I went with Eukrasian Phlegma

Pepsis: We can remove it yes, it's not great as a skill. It's meant to be the equivalent to Emergency Tactics, but the devs who made it forgot that SCH doesn't have a 'pure healing' equivalent to Succor, thats why they have ET. SGE can use Prognosis or Eukrasian Prognosis, so Pepsis is kinda not needed. As for what replaces it, we have a singletarget Phlegma, it's called Phlegma, and a singletarget Toxicon, called Toxicon. Now the potency of Toxicon, that is a definite topic, but we'll come to that later

Soteria is 'ok', but it really feels like it needs Krasis's effect alongside it to be noticeable. AOE Kardia is a very nice idea (and probably our level 92 skill, lets be real) but I don't know if axing Soteria to make it is a good idea, when we could just axe Pepsis and have both Soteria and AOEKardia (and have Soteria buff AOEKardia)

Addersting just sucks, to the point where if I had my way it'd be fully reworked. It's that bad in my view. If Toxicon is meant to be the 'refund' for the GCD spend on the Diagnosis cast, it's a pretty bad refund, as it only refunds 330 of the 660 potency spent to create the shield, and cast the Toxicon. I would go with making a new buff that allows one free use of Phlegma, making the refund 600p compared to the price of 660p, so not a 100% refund but close (possibly a gain in raidbuffs). Also I have beef with Toxicon because they deleted the trailer animation and replaced it with Toxicon 2 and that's a crime in my book.

Funny you should ask if the reader 'has any other ideas', it gives me an excuse to shill my idea for sage once again (the one in the dropdown quote box, the other 2 are old and suck). The beef with SGE's damage output can be remedied by SE at any time, it'd only take, eg, 'Eukrasian Dosis potency increased by 5 per tick' or such change, easy. The issue in my mind with the healers in general is their rotational feeling, and with SGE, I feel it missed the mark (big time) on the 'it heals when it does damage'. OFC when YoshiP said that, he was technically right, it does indeed heal when it does damage, but most people's minds jumped to Chloromancer or Disc Priest, so what we have here is a bit too basic for what we had anticipated.

Thanks for your reply! I went through your shill and thought it quite interesting. I'll comment on there with any lengthy thoughts though and will keep this focused on your response.

Rhizomata: Valid. Another option would be buffing our current addersgall abilities by 10% and giving us one free use. Thoughts?

Pneuma: You're completely right, but if the party doesn't need major healing for a long period of time the ability just gathers dust which is what I'm trying to eliminate the best I can. Being forced to use it in burst windows though would remove it's intended use (the fat heal) so what do you think could be added to improve the amount of situations the ability is beneficial in?

Eukrasian Dykrasia: Valid point on the wording, but that could be fixed with replacing the ability at a certain level as done with WHM's Stone - Glare. Eukrasian Phlegma was an idea I was seeing before, but that would remove the need to use Eukrasian Dosis as Eukrasian Phlegma would be better in every way. Nerfing Phlegma Eukrasian's damage to the point where that wouldn't be the case would make Phlegma lose the purpose that it serves in SGE's toolkit and there isn't anything currently that could take its place.

Pepsis: We do have a single target Phlegma called Phlegma lol. Toxicon for single target was more what I was thinking of adding.

Soteria: Valid thoughts, honestly. Not much to add.

Addersting: The animation change is actually preferred on my end. I like the giant lasers, and thought the original was very lackluster due to the quiet sfx. SGE sfx in general lack oomph though (looking at you, Pneuma) so I'd love to see some attention given to that aspect. Having the choice for different animations is valid though as it's all personal preference. Having it shorten the cast time on Phlegma is interesting. I saw that idea prior as well, but it would still be a dps loss (though much less so). More ways to generate Addersting would fix that for the most part, so maybe combine your idea with mine, generate Addersting with Haima, Panhaima, Holos, and Eukrasian Diagnosis, then on use of Toxicon generate one stack of a new gauge, and at three stacks you can cast a Phlegma without using up a stack like a combination of DRK's TBN (On TBN break you can use Flood/Edge of Shadow for free) and Ninja's free Mudra ability.

As said before, I'll give my thoughts on your idea for healers/SGE on your post and won't focus on it here. I'm in agreement with you on the statement "SGE heals by doing damage". One thing I'll add, SGE technically heals by doing damage, but 170 potency heal is basically kissing a broken leg to make it feel better. Nice thought, but it doesn't heal enough to really notice in a practical situation where healing is needed.

I have my own thoughts on SGE on another thread, but on these ideas:

Rhizomata is fine as is. As has been said, just 1 is more than enough, but I don’t want it to generate Addersting. attaching an offensive resource to Rhizomata means you’re forced to burn Addersgall in order to optimize its use, which SGE already has to waste enough of.

Here’s a more simple take on Pepsis, what you could do is, when SGE barriers break, they apply a buff for 10 seconds or so that Pepsis activates and that’s how Pepsis works rather than consuming the barriers. It would retain the barrier break concept which is something that should be removed from Addersting.

Adding DPS incentives to healing tools is a really bad idea because all it does is now make buttons like Haima and Peuma tools you use on cooldown whether you need their healing or mitigation effects or not, because now it’s optimal to just use Pneuma immediately. It’s the same issue assize is in.

Addersting just needs to be reworked into an actual DPS gauge. It can double as a refund system, but it should be more about having actual gameplay.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

when SGE barriers break, they apply a buff for 10 seconds or so that Pepsis activates and that’s how Pepsis works rather than consuming the barriers.

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Wasn't that how old Plenary Indulgence worked, in SB, the one everyone hated? Apply buff to people by AOE healing, then pop the buff with PI to do a middling bonus heal effect that usually ended up as just overheal due to needing to AOE heal to even apply the stacks, iirc it started out as 'apply confession stacks via single target healing' which was even worse

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

Wasn't that how old Plenary Indulgence worked, in SB, the one everyone hated? Apply buff to people by AOE healing, then pop the buff with PI to do a middling bonus heal effect that usually ended up as just overheal due to needing to AOE heal to even apply the stacks, iirc it started out as 'apply confession stacks via single target healing' which was even worse

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My mistake, I didn’t mention anything about diagnosis/prognosis. I also go by the logic that some way to use e.diag/e.prog and earn Addersting with it being a DPS neutral return in this use.

As I had it, when you trigger kardion effects, you gain 2 points to a max of 100, when at 50 or greater, your diag/prog and e.diag/e.prog grant 1 Addersting. So in that world, Pepsis would work better.

Regardless I don’t think the comparison is accuracte. Confession stacks were proc chances. It’s more like Horoscope where you can activate an extra OGCD heal after a party heal. In dungeons it’s still useless but so are most of your heals. Casual fights hit like a down feather and SGE is drowning in Addersgall.

That said, I’m also fine with cutting fringe healing tools in favor of reducing unnecessary healing buttons.

What they have to do to sage is to first properly make DPSing as a Sage to be a worthwhile way to heal. To make this change, Sage should have more skills trigger and affect Kardion to reinforce its "magic strengthening" idea. That way, they can change the addersting gauge to be a proper DPS gauge.

There are ways to adjust Sage's skills to work within this method. 170 potency kardion heals isn't very powerful on its own, but with enough amplification, they can be useful when the skills align. This is an example of the skills that can be adjusted to improve Kardion interaction (potencies and scaling can be adjusted):

Rhizomata - It adds 1 addersgall and then applies an enhancement to Kardia, guaranteeing your next 4 Kardion heals to crit.
One low cooldown oGCD DPS skill that activates Kardion - to make Kardia healing different from Scholar's Embrace and have it activate quicker between GCD (This can just be Toxicon I animation and unlocked at ARR level).
Toxikon II - 3 charge instant-cast GCD skill that no longer requires addersting - will be the movement and double weave tool. This will be the replacement to Toxicon I at level 64.
Krasis - skill removed and effects added to Soteria.
Soteria - 2 charges, 60 second cooldown. Will now target an ally to apply Krasis buff. Additionally applies Soteria buff to self (4 stacks per use, up to a maximum of 8). This change is made to reduce the amount of weaving required and make room for other oGCD skills and increase the impact of Kardia itself.
Zoe - Gains an additional effect: the next 3 Kardion heals will also apply a shield to allies with Kardion with the same potency as the Kardion heal.
Addersgall healing skills - will apply a temporary Kardion effect for 10 seconds, and the maximum duration can go up to 20 seconds.
Pepsis - Gains an additional effect: All existing Sage shields will fuse and become the new shield Pepsisakos - the recalculated potency of all shields combined. Ex: Haima loses 1 stack and preserves the rest, Holosakos is removed, Pepsisakos becomes the total potency of both shields. Eukrasian shields are digested, so they can't be used to make Pepsisakos. If there are no existing shields, Pepsisakos will do nothing. This is to both consolidate the number of shields on the buff bar and simultaneously allow stacking shields to get a bit more value in big heavy attacks.
Pneuma - Will temporarily apply AoE Kardion healing effect for 10 seconds, refreshes the duration up to 20 seconds (or removed and adjusted to be a mitigation skill since we have a lot of healing from Kardion changes)
Eukrasian Diagnosis / Eukrasian Prognosis - Additionally apply a temporary Kardion effect to all affected party members. At the moment, Sage has the most to lose when needing to GCD shield because they can't activate Kardion, so there needs to be a way for them to balance the GCD healing slightly while maintaining their mindset to heal by DPSing playstyle.

Now the addersting gauge can be designed like a DPS gauge without any drawbacks on sage's healing potential. Likewise, Eukrasian shields are now incentivized by applying Kardion effect without taking any problem of a healer that DPSes to heal while remaining the weakest, yet possibly most efficient skill to heal when sage runs out of oGCD healing skills or needs to force AoE Kardion on the party.

Unlike SCH with straightforward big Crit Adloquium GCD shields, Sage goes the route of stacking shields instead through various sources. With Kardia, they can theoretically have Pepsis, Rhizomata, and Soteria maximize the next Kardion heal crit and also apply a shield for that same value. This cannot be done in 1 GCD, but Sage can continuously layer barriers up with different skills as long as they won't instantly get deleted. It plays towards Sage's amplification strengths barrier layering gameplay. Plus, they have more micro control over how strong they want the whole thing because the amplification is affected by different skills. Not sure how balanced this would be in terms of healing though, but it's an idea I can see would help separate SCH and SGE better.

Soteria is basically sage version of machinist overcharge.

Soteria should be time based, not charge based, while overcharge should be charge based and not time based, and yet devs just don't want to change neither of them around.

I'm confused as to why so many people in this thread sound like they don't have enough Addersgall and they don't have enough movement tools. I'm often slightly low on MP because I've been sitting on three stacks of Addersgall because sage has so many free oGCD heals. And as for movement, slidecasting, one reserve charge of Pneuma, and three starting Adderstings (plus three more when there's downtime) should be enough mobility for any Lv90 content outside of Savage, and in Savage things should be planned out well enough that you can manage without other tools.

I'm not saying sage is perfect but the only thing I feel is really missing is an AoE Kardia (Echokardia?) on a 90s or 120s cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

I'm confused as to why so many people in this thread sound like they don't have enough Addersgall and they don't have enough movement tools. I'm often slightly low on MP because I've been sitting on three stacks of Addersgall because sage has so many free oGCD heals. And as for movement, slidecasting, one reserve charge of Pneuma, and three starting Adderstings (plus three more when there's downtime) should be enough mobility for any Lv90 content outside of Savage, and in Savage things should be planned out well enough that you can manage without other tools.

I'm not saying sage is perfect but the only thing I feel is really missing is an AoE Kardia (Echokardia?) on a 90s or 120s cooldown.

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Since Druochole doesn't have a cooldown, its a good idea to use it to prevent your addersgall from overcapping. Honestly, you really shouldn't need this MP most of the time, but I find that it's something I needed to develop as a habit in case I did end up low on MP, especially when I was playing SGE in savage (because even savage couldn't keep my Addersgall in use--at least not the first tier. P8 definitely seems like it'd be keeping Addersgall busy based on what my party's SGE is doing). Yes, it feels like shit tossing out useless heals just to get MP back, but that's what healer design is in this game.

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

Soteria is basically sage version of machinist overcharge.

Soteria should be time based, not charge based, while overcharge should be charge based and not time based, and yet devs just don't want to change neither of them around.

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it WAS time based on release (10s duration) but it got changed to 4 stacks for whatever reason, probably something about low spellspeed causing you to lose that 4th hit or such

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

it WAS time based on release (10s duration) but it got changed to 4 stacks for whatever reason, probably something about low spellspeed causing you to lose that 4th hit or such

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I think the reason they changed it to stacks was to be more forgiving when healers would cast GCD heals during the duration, forfeiting Soteria-buffed attacks.

They should just make toxicon a regular ability and make addersting a seperate button akin to eukrasia, that when used augments some abilities, like for example an addersting buffed diagnosis turns the skill into a damage buff or movement speed bonus or a reflect damage buff for a couple seconds, some sort of unique combat effect on allies.

Would love to see more interactive support abilities like that on all healers, give them the ability to support allies more other then healing.

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

They should just make toxicon a regular ability and make addersting a seperate button akin to eukrasia, that when used augments some abilities, like for example an addersting buffed diagnosis turns the skill into a damage buff or movement speed bonus or a reflect damage buff for a couple seconds, some sort of unique combat effect on allies.

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This type of suggestion highlights the missed opportunity to have a Dyskrasia that modifies actions in a way different from Eukrasia. Really they should just rename the spammable AoE so they can use the name Dyskrasia for a second modifier button.

Just call the modifier button σκοτειναι τεχναι, we all know it to be true. That frees eukrasia up to be an action in its own right - having a dedicated dot/nuke/aoe/flavour button and σκοτεινη τεχνη version of each - maybe the dot could be an aoe version, the nuke a prohibitively costly but more damaging cast for example?

My main problem with tieing addersting to Holos, Panhaima, and Haima, and making Pneuma more powerful is that it can cause a playstyle dissonance in which in order to deal good dps you essentially have to waste your mits and heals, cauaing you and your cohealer to suffer because you wouldn't have those mits for damage intensive sections because you needed them to deal dps.
I feel like Sage should be the healer that needs to use their heals effectively to deal dps, as well as dps in order to heal effectively. These would be my changes to give it that identity
1. Make Phlegma be 30s, if the devs are focusing on a 2 minute meta, there should be no reason for Phlegma to be disaligned a 2 minute buff windows.
2. Upon earning an Addersgal, you earn addersting as well. This makes it so you need to be effective with your addersgal, to never overcap so you can keep earning addersting, however not needing to waste it all, since it only is earned when you get a addersgal.
3. Change Pneuma to become a 2 part skill. The first part would be a powerful laser that deals 600 or 700 potency. Upon using Pneuma, you gain the oGCD ability "Pneumatic" which allows you to use a 600 or 700 potent aoe heal. "Pneumatic" will be available for 2 minutes so you gain flexibility of when you can use that heal while still being able to use Pneuma for 2 minute burst windows.

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Originally Posted by Blondefox25

My main problem with tieing addersting to Holos, Panhaima, and Haima, and making Pneuma more powerful is that it can cause a playstyle dissonance in which in order to deal good dps you essentially have to waste your mits and heals, cauaing you and your cohealer to suffer because you wouldn't have those mits for damage intensive sections because you needed them to deal dps.
I feel like Sage should be the healer that needs to use their heals effectively to deal dps, as well as dps in order to heal effectively. These would be my changes to give it that identity
1. Make Phlegma be 30s, if the devs are focusing on a 2 minute meta, there should be no reason for Phlegma to be disaligned a 2 minute buff windows.
2. Upon earning an Addersgal, you earn addersting as well. This makes it so you need to be effective with your addersgal, to never overcap so you can keep earning addersting, however not needing to waste it all, since it only is earned when you get a addersgal.
3. Change Pneuma to become a 2 part skill. The first part would be a powerful laser that deals 600 or 700 potency. Upon using Pneuma, you gain the oGCD ability "Pneumatic" which allows you to use a 600 or 700 potent aoe heal. "Pneumatic" will be available for 2 minutes so you gain flexibility of when you can use that heal while still being able to use Pneuma for 2 minute burst windows.

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I do like the flavor of Pneuma as is being a laser that emanates a heal, but what you could do is have the high potency part 1 stay as you suggested, and then the follow up is current Pneuma--still a DPS neutral attack that also heals rather than pushing the heal over to an OGCD action. This could also potentially keep both actions on the same button.

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Originally Posted by Blondefox25

1. Make Phlegma be 30s, if the devs are focusing on a 2 minute meta, there should be no reason for Phlegma to be disaligned a 2 minute buff windows.

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A 30s Phlegma would need three charges and a -40% potency nerf to keep it around its current power. It would carry the side effect of increasing sage mobility by about 15%, which would result in losing marginally less DPS to mechanics.

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2. Upon earning an Addersgal, you earn addersting as well. This makes it so you need to be effective with your addersgal, to never overcap so you can keep earning addersting, however not needing to waste it all, since it only is earned when you get a addersgal.

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Addersting does not increase DPS directly; it only increases mobility. An additional three free movement GCDs per minute would be a mobility increase of 120%. These would make mechanics obnoxiously easy to handle on sage while having only a marginal effect on DPS as sage is already mobile enough to handle most movement requirements losslessly. Overcapping Addersgall and forfeiting potential Adderstings would still not be a significant loss in single target contexts.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Addersting does not increase DPS directly; it only increases mobility. An additional three free movement GCDs per minute would be a mobility increase of 120%. These would make mechanics obnoxiously easy to handle on sage while having only a marginal effect on DPS as sage is already mobile enough to handle most movement requirements losslessly. Overcapping Addersgall and forfeiting potential Adderstings would still not be a significant loss in single target contexts.

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I think changing Addersting from a glorified Ruin II into an actual aspect of your rotation would be a massive improvement on SGE's gameplay. Obviously how Addersting is obtained needs to be taken into consideration for this direction, but that is literally my number 1 desired change come 7.0, and not just in terms of gameplay changes. I want to see Addersting be a DPS tool that's a consistent part of SGE's gameplay more than any piece of content, any new QoL improvements, any story aspect, any Final Fantasy references--that is what I ache to see more than anything else.

If that does end up being the case, I think a good trade-off for SGE being highly mobile is allowing it to be more complex and a little challenging to play correctly, not unlike how GNB has a tricky time positioning bosses while maintaining its rotation.

The problem I see is that this insane 2min burst focus would mean one of 2 things:

• 1) Toxikon remains dps neutral - you can happily sit on 3 charges while not needing to move, no loss here. Edge cases of getting another GCD in right before a boss dies/ goes untargetable exists but are rare and happen maybe 2-3 times per fight if at all
• 2) Toxikon is slightly stronger than Dosis - dump all during burst for maximum dps. Obviously you have some small skill ceiling here as you still need to keep enough to cover unavoidable movement that isn't covered by slidecasting, Icarus or dumping a Phlegma charge to avoid overcapping but it's not that much either. You'll eventually arrive at a point where you use the majority during burst.

Perhaps if it remains dps neutral but they build more on MP free aspect by lowering SGE's overall MP gain from Addersgall it could be enough of an incentive to regularly use it both for movement and MP as part of your normal rotation.
I could also see them give us an Eukrasian Toxikon. I think SGE in general could be more focused on multi-purpose tools that you modify as necessary with Eukrasia (and if only they hadn't made Dyskrasia into an aoe that skill as well ...). Eukrasian Phlegma, Eukrasian Pneuma, Eukrasian Toxikon... there are enough options and even if some of them will lose value over time as you get better/ better gear, it's preferable over having niche skills that take up a slot and get used in terrible groups and/ or prog maybe once in a blue moon.

Things like Eukrasian Toxikon dealing slightly lower damage than Dosis/ regular Toxikon but restoring MP. It becomes a great recovery tool after death or when things went sideways and you had to GCD heal/ ress a lot. Or Toxikon could be a bit stronger than Dosis and Eukrasian Toxikon would be equal to Dosis.
Eukrasian Pneuma could heal less in total but also apply a shield, especially valuable in prog but there are also cases when the full 900 potency heal would be too much and with that modification you'd still get 100% value, just at the price of slightly lower potency overall. Would also make Pneuma more flexible.

(And for god's sake, stop letting SGE shields block SCH shields while also taking priority over them already...)

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Originally Posted by Rilifane

The problem I see is that this insane 2min burst focus would mean one of 2 things:

• 1) Toxikon remains dps neutral - you can happily sit on 3 charges while not needing to move, no loss here. Edge cases of getting another GCD in right before a boss dies/ goes untargetable exists but are rare and happen maybe 2-3 times per fight if at all
• 2) Toxikon is slightly stronger than Dosis - dump all during burst for maximum dps. Obviously you have some small skill ceiling here as you still need to keep enough to cover unavoidable movement that isn't covered by slidecasting, Icarus or dumping a Phlegma charge to avoid overcapping but it's not that much either. You'll eventually arrive at a point where you use the majority during burst.

Perhaps if it remains dps neutral but they build more on MP free aspect by lowering SGE's overall MP gain from Addersgall it could be enough of an incentive to regularly use it both for movement and MP as part of your normal rotation.
I could also see them give us an Eukrasian Toxikon. I think SGE in general could be more focused on multi-purpose tools that you modify as necessary with Eukrasia (and if only they hadn't made Dyskrasia into an aoe that skill as well ...). Eukrasian Phlegma, Eukrasian Pneuma, Eukrasian Toxikon... there are enough options and even if some of them will lose value over time as you get better/ better gear, it's preferable over having niche skills that take up a slot and get used in terrible groups and/ or prog maybe once in a blue moon.

Things like Eukrasian Toxikon dealing slightly lower damage than Dosis/ regular Toxikon but restoring MP. It becomes a great recovery tool after death or when things went sideways and you had to GCD heal/ ress a lot. Or Toxikon could be a bit stronger than Dosis and Eukrasian Toxikon would be equal to Dosis.
Eukrasian Pneuma could heal less in total but also apply a shield, especially valuable in prog but there are also cases when the full 900 potency heal would be too much and with that modification you'd still get 100% value, just at the price of slightly lower potency overall. Would also make Pneuma more flexible.

(And for god's sake, stop letting SGE shields block SCH shields while also taking priority over them already...)

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You can also just give Toxikon a cooldown, or attach some other timed aspect to it like a DoT, a buff, or some type of Toxikon combo that discourages store and dump during burst windows. If it has a 20 second cooldown, you simply can't dump more than 1 during a burst window (2 if you have a SMN), and the same is true for the other factors.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

You can also just give Toxikon a cooldown, or attach some other timed aspect to it like a DoT, a buff, or some type of Toxikon combo that discourages store and dump during burst windows. If it has a 20 second cooldown, you simply can't dump more than 1 during a burst window (2 if you have a SMN), and the same is true for the other factors.

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This is a very late reply, but honestly given what he have currently I'd take a timer similar to what we have with Addersgall over the current implementation of Addersting.

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Originally Posted by SomeoneElse

This is a very late reply, but honestly given what he have currently I'd take a timer similar to what we have with Addersgall over the current implementation of Addersting.

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Why stop there when there's a perfectly good implementation of BLM's polyglot overcharging rather than just stopping at max charges, but with no downsides to managing the gauge?