So there is this pattern in the game where we get a patch and get some new rewards, such as armor and weapons for savage. Months go by and people are trying to clear to get the rewards, but as time goes on new rewards get released and the value of those prior shiny rewards from savage start to seem less and less worthwhile, especially when you start getting to the final mile and the difficulty and hours put in ramps up.
So lets say the reward for the hardship loses all its luster because half a year to seven months go by since you started. Is there still value somewhere in trying to get that final reward to you?
Just kind of asking this to other people that have done savage and been down this road.
For me, it really feels weird at the end of a savage tier because it seems like way too much time and dedication for such a minor thing at the end. At the start it is all "wow look at that item", but then at the end they usually have new stuff on the horizon that eclipses it or perhaps has a better / different aesthetic.
A question of worth on rewards for an activity...
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12-13-2022, 05:27 AMColt47A question of worth on rewards for an activity...
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12-13-2022, 05:31 AMOizen
Gear powercreep is how MMOs keep people playing, you probably shouldn't even bother playing savages at all if you only care about getting BiS and don't enjoy the fights for what they are.
Its not content for everyone, and not playing it is completely understandable. -
12-13-2022, 05:35 AMJeeqbit
Yes, I do long and hard grinds or fights for rewards, knowing full well they will get nerfed or become easier long in the future. Being able to show the rewards early on is fun as well because everyone else who has it you know put in the work you did, so you feel like you've all done it together in a way.
But what is the value of all that work long in the future, when all the rewards are easy to get because of nerfs and unsyncing? The answer is the experience and the memories. The rewards are just a motivator to gain those experiences and memories that I can share with people years later. -
12-13-2022, 06:20 AMColt47I kind of get this pre-raid finder feel with FFXIV savage runs where because they don't give the cosmetic rewards in a more mainstream content it forces a lot of people into the same pool. If lower iLvL but equally customizable armor, plus the weapon, were available in more mainstream content such as raid-finder from WoW, I think the experience would be a lot more niche for savage but better because of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oizen
Also, people could be after BiS for big numbers OR after the armor and weapon merely because that is the only way to get dyable versions, let alone the matching weapon. That's why many people retro run the old savage tiers unsynced and it is a driver for the current tiers. -
12-13-2022, 06:44 AMRenalt
It's a mixed bag for me. By nature I'm an r/patientgamers so I will wait for rewards on something if I want it for glam reasons because usually next next expansion makes the best possible gear of last expansion obsolete almost immediately.
I WOULD be into the raiding scene and doing things for the challenge...if it was a solo ordeal. However it takes a group to be nearly perfect and I don't have the patience when it comes to OTHER people. Patience for myself though and what I want? I got that. -
12-13-2022, 06:44 AMOizenWell I wouldn't say it doesnt give a cosmetic reward, this tier's armor and weapons will probably be very popular for glams forever now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt47
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12-13-2022, 08:53 AMColt47You get a cosmetic reward for completing savage but it is a pretty poor reward for the effort that goes into it when on content. Also not sure what universe this is but from what I've seen, most people don't really "enjoy" savage, they accept doing it as the only way to get the rewards they are after. It doesn't matter much what that reward is to the person, it is the same song and dance done over and over every single tier. People make the most of misery with friends but go take that fun comradery out of the picture and you'll quickly see things turn into nothing but a business style regiment of always having to study and be on top of things or inevitably get scorned for failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oizen
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12-13-2022, 09:00 AMVencio
^this,
Its why I don’t bother with savage altogether;
- Time consuming & rather spend it elsewhere irl or ingame
- Rigid static scheduling
- Item level is only 10 levels difference…really that worth it aside from glamour?
- Every patch always provides upgrades for Tomes gearing & to be frank no one bothers to care for parse or ilevel differences given 90% roughly of players spend their time on hanging out, farming, maps, roulettes, glamour hunting etc.,
I cannot speak any ill to those that does engage on it; I just simply find it futile & time consuming.
PS: Static 5-7 hours of re-hearsing or re-do over again? Nah….. -
12-13-2022, 09:58 AMSaraide
I care very little about the stats or ilvl of savage gear. I do savage to have fun with friends and to get shiny glams/mounts.
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12-13-2022, 11:03 AMrainichan
I can't really speak for Savage since I usually wait until they can be unsynced, but EX fights I've done on content, and I do it for fun with friends and mounts. I cared about the weapon from EX4 but never got it... but that doesn't mean I can't continue trying to actually down it and have fun with my friends doing it. I'm never actually BiS anyway, just what I feel is my own personal BiS. But if I ever did do Savage fights on content, it'd be for the time spent with my friends and actually doing the content and getting the sense of satisfaction that I completed it.
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12-13-2022, 11:23 AMAtelier-Bagur
Its actually because of this fact that I let go of the never-ending rat race for BiS and honestly for me I feel so much better enjoying this game.
I still set easily attainable ilv goals with getting tomestone gear and or crafted gear but thats as far as Ill go with obtaining power. This game to me means a lot more than whats the best and I try to tackle one thing at a time. Its really FFXIV's biggest strength and greatest weakness. -
12-13-2022, 11:26 AMAtelier-Bagur
However I will say this, glam is still the true endgame and the weapons and armor you get from savage are appealing enough to want to get them. However, Ill have to wait a few expansions before I decide on collecting those pieces for my wardrobe with unsyncing.
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12-13-2022, 11:26 AMAzuri
BiS may pass but the shiny number on fflogs remains.
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12-13-2022, 12:02 PMRobynDaBank
When I tried Savage - my first and only shot at endgame content in an MMO - I tried it not for the promise of rewards but for the experience of playing with a circle of friends, progression, learning tight mechanics and for the thrill. I gave up after my static disbanded and things didn't work out with the second one. Was never about rewards for me, and still wouldn't have been if it came with a promise of something super shiny like a minion/mount.
To be rewarded with amazing prizes just because you were playing in a certain time period is somewhat lame... and touting WoW as a game which provides rewards even at LFR is laughable because it's the same game that locked away a Slime Cat mount from LFR and kept it at Normal and above versions of the Raids just this year. LFR, Normal, Heroic and Mythic all have varying appearances, so it's really dependent on the item if it's accessible or not.
WoW does a lot of that, and will equally turn around and give away stuff for free a decade later on their whim so IDK, they're not consistent with that. -
12-13-2022, 01:45 PMeinschwartz
My partner is a sweaty hardcore raider. I'm the opposite and more casual.
To him, it's the challenge, solving mechanics and optimizing the shit out of everything in the first week, then get bis and parse 99. Glam is a plus. He does not care for mounts. He doesn't even roll on them.
To me, the rewards at the end is an incentive for trying a content. Maybe I'll do it next week, maybe next year. I do not have a lot of time to play each day so I'm fine getting those shiny rewards later. I do enjoy the prog experience with a static tho. Not touching Savage at the moment but I do plan on doing it around the end of expansion like I did with Eden.
Among the reasons I'm not interested doing savage while it is current is this as well. Next tier drop and your BiS is replaced with crafted pentameld sets. Even if I do actively raid savage, I don't see the point trying to farm it before the tier ends. Of course, BiS gearing is irrelevant to me but maybe not to those who gets the kick of seeing high parse on their log (my partner lol).Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt47
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12-13-2022, 05:00 PMLimecat
Yeah, I washed my hands of it back during HW. No point chasing a carrot that'll already be chewed down to the nub by the time you get a hold of it, and dedicating myself to a static is entirely antithetical to my purpose for playing games in the first place. Grab whatever welfare prog gear is being handed out and/or craft whatever's craftable, and call it a day.
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12-13-2022, 05:35 PMReinha
Gear is just a bonus. The people who need the gear for ultimate probably have statics and will get their BiS in 8 weeks or so. Beyond that, it doesn't even look that different from the normal mode gear everyone is walking around with. The mount, however, is something people can't have unless they do the content. It is the main reason why I do savage.
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12-13-2022, 08:33 PMJokerz_93
Savages rewards are just a meaning to parse high and watch the 99% of FF player base from above.
Seriously, the way savage mode is build now it’s totally pointless.
Not only the gear you drop become useless after the release of the next tier; new contents released don’t require an high iLv nor more than two braincells to clear them.
I noticed some days ago, the first EW dungeon is set for a 500 ilv. 500 ilv is what Augmented Crystarium was along the Eden Verse Tier, patch 5.2/5.3.
So basically 630 ilv is good for what will be the first dungeon of 7.0.
You can stop paying.
At the end of the day the only rewards worth in savages is to get BiS asap, and then parsing, min maxing your skills, maybe trying different jobs and get your 99… but I kindly not raccomend to do so….it’s when you start knowing how to play this game that all the magics, the good memories, the joy you felt before fade away and you are left alone with the reality that this game is shit to be sold.
Ignorance is a blessing.
Disclaimer: it’s my pov of the game. -
12-14-2022, 01:18 AMMoonsprite
Well, isn’t there another ultimate coming in a month or so? I’m sure the savage gear is worth it then? I don’t do ultimate myself so for me gear is just a way to make new content easier when it comes out or for glamour. That’s pretty much it. Most rewards are just glam to me really. If I don’t like the way the gear looks, I just skip it. For people who do ultimates though, I’m sure the savage gear is worth it.
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12-16-2022, 06:26 AMdspguy
I've raided tiers where we started late and didn't finish until the tomestone upgrade items were available via hunt marks or 24-man weeklies. It still felt "rewarding" but not for the gear. It was nice to get the clear, even if we had gear that was 10-20 iLvls above the elite raiders that cleared it in Week 1.
I've learned over time that if the reward is the gear, then many players will be disappointed. All that shiny gear turns into GC seal fodder and you are back to square one every 9 months or so. -
12-16-2022, 08:42 AMDeveryn6.31 will be the new ultimate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonsprite
Yup. Glam (and fishing log) are the true endgame. Thankfully, I dress casual so I never have to set foot in those ever. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur