SE need to stop this!

SE need to stop this, but I know they wont!

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Oh just make a shell FC yourself, and piss off the guy by taking a plot there. Hehehe. Have your FC tag as 'SUKIT'

More or less why I think there should be rent costs, if not straight up gil then a very very hefty chunks of FC credits could work as well...

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

More or less why I think there should be rent costs, if not straight up gil then a very very hefty chunks of FC credits could work as well...

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That would be a great Idea.
These company points that any somewhat active FC has million's from.

These shell FC would probably start to use bots for leveling and dungeon clears, but that would add a additional risk for them.

Also, make that FCs can only buy them for these company points.
So you will have big and active FCs in the big and expensive house's, instead of a rich single player.

Don't get me wrong, this is some BS. But at the same time, I think about the time and effort it takes to do this, and it's just sad.

Theyre all owned by Minfillia WARDe



Heh..get it?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Don't get me wrong, this is some BS. But at the same time, I think about the time and effort it takes to do this, and it's just sad.

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The fact it even happens at all is a blemish on the FFXIV team. Owning an entire ward shouldn't be possible and should be against the ToS. One FC house per server, one personal house per person (IP address restricted, not account restricted).

Yes it's ridiculous that people spend this much to corner a ward, but SE needs to step in and say "This isn't allowed"

Spot on... 1milion per month for a large plot 750k for a medium and 250k for a small one per month counting as tax fees, as for those that own and run within the limit it is no biggie, but if having a full ward... then it is suddenly quite the millions needed in upkeep per month.

I can only agree to this suggestion.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

The fact it even happens at all is a blemish on the FFXIV team. Owning an entire ward shouldn't be possible and should be against the ToS. One FC house per server, one personal house per person (IP address restricted, not account restricted).

Yes it's ridiculous that people spend this much to corner a ward, but SE needs to step in and say "This isn't allowed"

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I don't disagree, and I consider the housing situation in this game to be permanent blemish on this team. Their lack of foresight is one of their biggest flaws, and it is what has lead to this situation.

When I say this is sad; it isn't out of any empathy for the culprit(s), or even this housing situation. What is sad is that the devs have to/need to step in at all due to blatant lack of common courtesy for finite luxuries in the game.

They can't own the whole thing now. Wonder why/how they didn't get enough to completely own the whole ward before the ward they're in got changed to personals.. And yes this crap is disgusting and shouldn't been allowed for awhile now.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Spot on... 1milion per month for a large plot 750k for a medium and 250k for a small one per month counting as tax fees, as for those that own and run within the limit it is no biggie, but if having a full ward... then it is suddenly quite the millions needed in upkeep per month.

I can only agree to this suggestion.

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If that person can afford to buy up the whole ward... they can afford that rent. You're only screwing over people who take their time to put together money and make buying a house an end-goal.

I don't think rent is a real option as the game lives on "You can take a break" and you only need to log in every 45 days to save your house. If you take a month break you may end up not having enough gil to pay rent in the 14-15 days of your return. Just restrict how many houses one can have per world/data center. I can see allowing a personal and an FC house but you shouldn't have much more need then that. Also with this change make housing account wide for people that do have a ton of alts on the same server and open up airship/submarine missions and gardening elsewhere as there would then be no reason to own a whole ward of shell FC's that could be argued aside from the players own ego.

lol, those 6 new wards coming are gonna be fun if people pull stuff like this :P

LOL clamouring for taxes in a game ffs so ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Hanayumi

More or less why I think there should be rent costs, if not straight up gil then a very very hefty chunks of FC credits could work as well...

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People hate it, it's an unfortunate punishment for the rest of us who aren't hoarding but the benefits are there...

I mean people always talk about much inflation there is, how little gold sinks there are... This could help that out, and to top it off, make it more difficult for people to hoard housing units.

Unless that person is doing something shady like buying gil or selling weird services, chances are that making the rent costs each month would take a good chunk of their time. At the least it would force them to interact with all of their accounts a bit more.

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People hate it, it's an unfortunate punishment for the rest of us who aren't hoarding but the benefits are there...

I mean people always talk about much inflation there is, how little gold sinks there are... This could help that out, and to top it off, make it more difficult for people to hoard housing units.

Unless that person is doing something shady like buying gil or selling weird services, chances are that making the rent costs each month would take a good chunk of their time. At the least it would force them to interact with all of their accounts a bit more.

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And all this will accomplish is giving RMT more business as they don't ban the buyers, that is why inflation is such an issue. I see no reason for taxes when a simple rule change would do the trick, taxes would hurt a huge amount of players to spite a minority that again could just be fixed in the future with rule changes like we have already had in regards to personal houses.

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And all this will accomplish is giving RMT more business as they don't ban the buyers, that is why inflation is such an issue. I see no reason for taxes when a simple rule change would do the trick, taxes would hurt a huge amount of players to spite a minority that again could just be fixed in the future with rule changes like we have already had in regards to personal houses.

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Or I mean we could do that.

If SE ever decides to look into people hoarding houses and start buying RMT buyers.

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Oh just make a shell FC yourself, and piss off the guy by taking a plot there. Hehehe.

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A chance at Combo-blocking their last 6 is a worthy prize.

The winning FC could maybe even be sold to them for quite a few gilcaps down the track.

The only possible reason I can see owning that much real estate is Gardening. They probably make a killing from Gardening.

Yeah...this is really horrible. If SE has tight restrictions and correctly implemented house ownership, this should never have happened.

I know players are generally averse to a housing tax, but what if the tax is exempt for players owning only 1 personal and FC house per world which is as SE has intended?

Whereas for hoarders who own multiple FC plots on an account, each additional FC house would incur a hefty housing tax of, let's say 50% of its original land value. That way, hoarders would need to heavily consider if they are willing to pay that amount of upkeep just to own an entire ward. For those who already have multiple plots but aren't willing to pay the upkeep, they could be given a chance to relinquish those houses and get back 100% of its value up to a certain deadline.

What server is that?

And FC wards needs to go private ownership a lot sooner.

I don’t see how implementing a monthly fee for owning a house is going to fix this issue unfortunately. It will only affect casual players, the people that can afford to purchase entire wards won’t have a gil problem due to boting, it won’t stop them whatsoever.

Move Gardening and the Workshop out of Housing already, stop making a FOMO feature a money maker for exploitation. If they really want to keep the FC Workshop that badly then put it in a GC instance or something, but keep the cost of creating a Workshop.

I bet they think they're doing a good job by putting these systems behind housing so people can't spam create a bunch of FCs to use a Workshop by limiting housing - Not even thinking about how it affects the actual playerbase. Everything they do, the actual player experience has always been a lower priority in their design philosophy.

The lack of both action and foresight from this team.. Always astounding.

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I don’t see how implementing a monthly fee for owning a house is going to fix this issue unfortunately. It will only affect casual players, the people that can afford to purchase entire wards won’t have a gil problem due to boting, it won’t stop them whatsoever.

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Yeah, which is why there's suggestions to only tax hoarders who own more than 1 personal and 1 FC house per world per account.

In that case, the casual players will not be taxed and unaffected while hoarder behavior will be disincentived if they are heavily taxed (Perhaps 50% of house value per month since if it's too low, it's not much of a deterrent) on any houses above the limit.

And in addition, if submersible loot is nerfed in such a way that it is not sufficient to cover the housing tax, that would even further discourage players to engage in hoarding behaviour.

Well, that sucks, but the rent idea sounds like horribad idea.

Just like the invisible timer.

Just like the lottery.

Why our first reaction is always to wish bad solution to fix bad idea??

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

If that person can afford to buy up the whole ward... they can afford that rent. You're only screwing over people who take their time to put together money and make buying a house an end-goal.

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Just came in to say this. These dudes who gobble up entire wards usually have submarine empires running in the background just generating them loads of passive gil ever week or whatever.
The solution this whole time involves scrapping this trash ward system, but since it's Square's baby, all we can do is hope they keep adding more wards.

BIG THANKS FOR THE OUTDOOR-ONLY FURNITURE ITEM in the xmas event btw, thank you for once again sticking it to people who don't have front yards for this crap.

Probably going to have an unpopular opinion but personally I can't blame people for doing this if the wards are sitting empty for months on end. I noticed the OP is from Raiden so I looked at Paissa Housing and there are still 3k houses up for grabs and Raiden has been here for how many months now?

If people don't move/join the server and buy houses then others will take them up rather than let them sit there because there are literally thousands left (a.k.a no shortage on houses for the population of the server). The same will probably happen on Dynamis and any other new DCs/servers that pop in. The "finite commodity" argument only really works for servers where housing is extremely limited because there is too much population (like Balmung for example).

If the population isn't there and someone wants to grab an extra house thats been sitting unclaimed for months, cool. I don't really see a problem with that, nor do I think theyre robbing anyone of a house with how many there are available. Anyone else who really wanted a house could do the exact same.

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Yeah, which is why there's suggestions to only tax hoarders who own more than 1 personal and 1 FC house per world per account.

In that case, the casual players will not be taxed and unaffected while hoarder behavior will be disincentived if they are heavily taxed (Perhaps 50% of house value per month since if it's too low, it's not much of a deterrent) on any houses above the limit.

And in addition, if submersible loot is nerfed in such a way that it is not sufficient to cover the housing tax, that would even further discourage players to engage in hoarding behaviour.

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It's really not hard to make hundreds of millions in a month via marketboard flipping so thinking a tax would stop that is a nice dream but a dream none the less.

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It's really not hard to make hundreds of millions in a month via marketboard flipping so thinking a tax would stop that is a nice dream but a dream none the less.

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They will never cease to stop with trying to penalize people who own homes and take them away from them. Those buying entire wards shouldn't be the reason for penalizing the normal people who buy just one or a FC and a Private. SE needs to fix the problem but the problem shouldn't be addressed by penalizing everyone for the transgressions of a few.

Those buying up entire wards are probably making a ton of money with them and sure won't be hurt much by any tax on housing. RMT would love a tax I suspect as they watch their profits grow.

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They will never cease to stop with trying to penalize people who own homes and take them away from them. Those buying entire wards shouldn't be the reason for penalizing the normal people who buy just one or a FC and a Private. SE needs to fix the problem but the problem shouldn't be addressed by penalizing everyone for the transgressions of a few.

Those buying up entire wards are probably making a ton of money with them and sure won't be hurt much by any tax on housing. RMT would love a tax I suspect as they watch their profits grow.

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The question then comes in, if they choose to fix it then who gets affected by it? Does everyone who own multiple plots? Only those who weren't grandfathered in? (Which will probably cause some issues with those who weren't and feeling like it's unfair). Either way, a tax won't stop anything with how actually braindead it is to make gil with an hour of your day.

Personally I look at someone buying an entire ward as someone taking up plots that no one is actively trying to buy so it's not like they're ripping plots out of peoples hands that are trying to bid on them. Game just has a lot of emptier servers that people don't want to move to and those that did are capitalizing on it. Like I said already, the plots are there sitting unwanted and unbid on. If people are so upset about others buying multiple then move there yourself and buy one. It's literally free transfer to any new server and there are probably tens of thousands sitting across all of the new DCs and servers we've gotten over the past year.

Punishing the majority for those that are doing that is a choice (and usually stems from jealousy from not bring able to get a house on their current server and a refusal to move to get one (even with cross-DC now being a thing to keep in contact with friends and do content) which is entirely a "them" problem)).

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The question then comes in, if they choose to fix it then who gets affected by it? Does everyone who own multiple plots? Only those who weren't grandfathered in?

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Grandfathering only applies to private homes. The rules changed back in 4.2 and people can't buy more than one private on a server although that is certainly allowed elsewhere and didn't change with the new rules. They had the option to restrict housing to one private per account but they didn't. They continue to allow purchases on different DC's and servers and that's on SE not the people following the rules who elect to do that.

The problem has been Free Company homes and they made an attempt to try and stop/limit this with the 30 day hold on new FC's as well as the transfer of leadership but ultimately the problem arises where people can still buy multiple FC houses is the time given for FC purchases in FC wards is way too long so they can still by pass the rules or intent of one FC per server because these wards stay FC for so long.

FC wards on Dynamis are sitting open now with only Large and Mediums going up for grabs in the first round for the most part with so many homes just sitting and that will continue to sit for quite some time allowing ward buyers time to spin their magic.

The length of time and the split of FC/Private have been way out of balance. I have no problem with FC's getting 1st shot at homes but those wards should stay FC for the first month or 2 or 3 after sales open and then private sales should commence. These ward owners are only able to do what they do because they have so much time to do it. Certainly if they own multiple subscriptions well they are paying for access with different accounts and there isn't much that can be done in that regard I'm afraid. SE will certainly take the added subs.

The current ward splits and the lack of demand for FC's with housing sitting open for so long has also encouraged the creating of personal FC's which is simply a reaction by some to the way FC sales are set up and are essentially buying private FC's.

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Grandfathering only applies to private homes. The rules changed back in 4.2 and people can't buy more than one private on a server although that is certainly allowed elsewhere and didn't change with the new rules. They had the option to restrict housing to one private per account but they didn't. They continue to allow purchases on different DC's and servers and that's on SE not the people following the rules who elect to so that.

The problem has been Free Company homes and they made an attempt to try and stop/limit this with the 30 day hold on new FC's as well as the transfer of leadership but ultimately the problem arises where people can still buy multiple FC houses is the time given for FC purchases in FC wards is way too long so they can still by pass the rules or intent of one FC per server because these wards stay FC for so long.

FC wards on Dynamis are sitting open now with only Large and Mediums going up for grabs in the first round with so many homes just sitting and that will continue to sit for quite some time.

In addition the length of time and the split of FC/Private have been way out of balance. I have no problem with FC's getting 1st shot at homes but those wards should stay FC for the first month or 2 or 3 after sales open and then private sales should commence. These ward owners are only able to do what they do because they have so much time to do it. Certainly if they own multiple subscriptions well they are paying for access with different accounts and there isn't much that can be done in that regard I'm afraid. SE will certainly take the added subs.

The current ward splits and the lack of demand for FC's with housing sitting open for so long has also encouraged the creating of personal FC's which is simply a reaction by some to the way FC sales are set up.

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I agree that there should be more private homes (especially on the packed servers) but if there isn't population to fill it, then the same will just happen with those that already make alt accounts entirely to buy additional private homes (which is already happening since Square basically funds your first month and a half of sub for free + with demo off you dont need to actively maintain the sub.....paying for the base game really isnt that expensive for those that have disposable income). If there aren't enough actual unique users, I don't see it changing even with swapping more to private. There will always be loopholes unless they just trash wards entirely and switch to an instanced set up where players can buy as many as they want.

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I agree that there should be more private homes but if there isn't population to fill it, then the same will just happen with those that already make alt accounts entirely to buy additional private homes. If there aren't enough actual unique users, I don't see it changing even with swapping more to private.

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Privates will sell unless you're talking about Materia which has it's unique issues right now. In my ward on Sophia a second medium just sold after months with 3 large, 2 mediums and 2 smalls being sold. There are 4 mediums just sitting there with no buyers. That's 7 houses sold with 23 open plots after months and months and that is only my subdivision. My ward was initially a FC ward allowed to go private but I don't suspect these problems will exist on Dynamis or even the new EU servers. If they keep FC wards (after all those are houses that can be sold to people) as they are for months you're going to see the abuse happen.

I can't speak for whether or not ward sales have been going on here on Materia given I haven't really taken the time to look. They certainly have the time to do it if they so choose

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Privates will sell unless you're talking about Materia which has it's unique issues right now. In my ward on Sophia a second medium just sold after months with 3 large, 2 mediums and 2 smalls being sold. There are 4 mediums just sitting there with no buyers. That's 7 houses sold with 23 open plots after months and months. My ward was initially a FC ward allowed to go private but I don't suspect these problems will exist on Dynamis or even the new EU servers. If they keep FC wards (after all those are houses that can be sold to people) as they are for months you're going to see the abuse happen.

I can't speak for whether or not ward sales have been going on here on Materia given I haven't really taken the time to look. They certainly have the time to do it if they so choose

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I mean, Dynamis has been up for a month so far and outside of Seraph (for obvious reasons) there are still close to 3000 privates left. Unless we get a massive wave of new players then I don't see them selling for a long while still. Even the new EU servers still have about 1100 privates available between the two.

If you're curious Google Paissa Housing and check out that site, it lists up to date plot information for both Privates and FCs. Really good tool to help get an idea of the popularity of your server.

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I mean, Dynamis has been up for a month so far and outside of Seraph (for obvious reasons) there are still close to 3000 privates left. Unless we get a massive wave of new players then I don't see them selling for a long while still.

If you're curious Google Paissa Housing and check out that site, it lists up to date plot information for both Privates and FCs. Really good tool to help get an idea of the popularity of your server.

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Yeah Seraph is pretty crowded, shades of Balmung.

Well private houses can't be used to build ward abuse it's the FC wards. That needs to be addressed in a big way and sooner rather than later. Keeping that split for months and months is just asking for abuse. Can't sell a private or use it for air/sub revenue which is in my view the main reason for the abuse.

The 12/12 split can work for a short time giving FC's the opportunity to get large and mediums for their memberships but that can't be kept like that for extended periods in my view. And with respect to population growth in my view more of Aether's and Crystals servers need to go congested. I don't know much about Primal don't have an alt there but their overcrowded servers need to go that route as well.

And I'll have to look that site up thank you.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Yeah Seraph is pretty crowded, shades of Balmung.

Well private houses can't be used to build ward abuse it's the FC wards. That needs to be addressed in a big way and sooner rather than later. Keeping that split for months and months is just asking for abuse. Can't sell a private or use it for air/sub revenue which is in my view the main reason for the abuse.

The 12/12 split can work for a short time giving FC's the opportunity to get large and mediums for their memberships but that can't be kept like that for extended periods in my view. And with respect to population growth in my view more of Aether's and Crystals servers need to go congested. I don't know much about Primal don't have an alt there but their overcrowded servers need to go that route as well.

And I'll have to look that site up thank you.

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Like I said earlier, people can just make alt accounts entirely if they got the disposable income to do so. That's the only way that private houses can be monopolized. But yes, FCs are the easier way to do it.

I honestly can't remember off the top of my head but have they ever shut down an entire DC for new players or transfers before? I think that might be a smart move to do as it'll help push people into the newer DCs if they haven't considered doing that before. But also, it is a dead period content wise so I wonder how much of an effect it would have compared to starting that during 7.0 for example when people would coming/returning in large numbers to see the new MSQ? Aether is probably the most congested out of all of them though due to the huge streamer presence there, Primal from my knowledge isn't as bad but still could probably do with several severs being put into congested rather than the entire DC.

Also you're welcome. C:

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

Well, that sucks, but the rent idea sounds like horribad idea.

Just like the invisible timer.

Just like the lottery.

Why our first reaction is always to wish bad solution to fix bad idea??

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Because people are short sighted and immediately leap to punitive ideas that assuage their outrage rather than actual solutions to the problem.

Instanced housing would be a better solution, giving everyone access to housing.

This is how I see it with minimal modifications to current system
1) Close out housing/refund everyone
2) Update apartments with upgradable size feature, allow outdoor furniture indoors, add share ability with alt characters in same server
3) Restrict houses to FC only, add further restrictions to "alt" FCs, and add rent with FC credits