Suggestion for future moogle tome events: sell dungeon gear!

The pattern for recent moogle tome events has been to sell gearsets that were produced from fan design contests, but this approach firstly has (if I am remembering right) now gone through all the competition gearsets, and secondly – and more importantly – often results in the "special prizes" actually being things that are easy enough to buy directly with other currency.

I think it would be really helpful if the events sold gear from the ex-endgame dungeons and alliance raids, since these remain purely RNG-reliant and frustrating to acquire.

We've had threads before discussing that they should be guaranteed drops per run like levelling dungeons, and I still think that would be the better approach, but if the dungeons are going to remain strictly RNG then it would be great to have the occasional chance to purchase them directly.

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It would be so nice to have an accessible way to buy dungeon gear occasionally – or even just for the opportunity to browse it and try things on so people actually know what's out there.

I'd be all for having a way to get some of this gear through an alternate method, but the thrice a year event is not the way. :)

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I'd be all for having a way to get some of this gear through an alternate method, but the thrice a year event is not the way. :)

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Well yes, I would certainly like more reliable and permanent ways of being able to get them.

But if we're not going to be given those ways, then they would certainly be an option for spicing up the increasingly "I've already got all of those things" list of event items.

The weathered versions of the Gerolt's Masterwork weapons would be another good thing they could throw in. They're awkward because they sit outside of the "only sell pre-upgraded versions of old sets" thing that's been introduced now, but they're visually unique because they lack the excessive glow of the upgraded versions. Unlike most things where upgrading just adds dyeability.

I still think any of this would be too much. This isn't supposed to be some crazy grindy farm fest, though some newer people might approach it that way. There are enough items for people to casually farm and some extra goodies for those that don't need any of it.

Dungeon gear can be the hardest to get of all glams so I think it would be perfect for a special event like this.

I vote let us buy PVP gear also.

Can't wait to see how this comment goes.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

This isn't supposed to be some crazy grindy farm fest

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I don't think dungeon glamour is supposed to be a crazy grindy farm fest either, but that's what we're stuck with for half the dungeons in the game, while the other half give us guaranteed drops so we have an upper limit to how many runs are needed.

If they aren't willing to update the 50/60/etc dungeons to give us guaranteed drops, then having them on sale from the moogle would be an opportunity to fill the gaps in our glamour collections where pieces just refuse to drop after umpteen runs.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I don't think dungeon glamour is supposed to be a crazy grindy farm fest either, but that's what we're stuck with for half the dungeons in the game, while the other half give us guaranteed drops so we have an upper limit to how many runs are needed.

If they aren't willing to update the 50/60/etc dungeons to give us guaranteed drops, then having them on sale from the moogle would be an opportunity to fill the gaps in our glamour collections where pieces just refuse to drop after umpteen runs.

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I'm not arguing against that, only the idea that this rare event is supposed to be the place to get it.

I can't think of any reason to oppose this. Other than Shisui would no question be the first dungeon they use.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I can't think of any reason to oppose this. Other than Shisui would no question be the first dungeon they use.

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Shisui isn't in the group of dungeons I'm talking about. It's a levelling dungeon and you get a guaranteed piece of gear for your class when you complete it, meaning you won't need more than ten runs to acquire any gear piece that drops there.

I'm talking about the ex-endgame dungeons – 50, 60, 70, 80 and eventually 90 – that come between the levelling dungeons but don't have the same mercy of a guaranteed drop. You can run the Arboretum fifty times and never see the Plague Doctor coat.

There's so much cool stuff in those dungeons but you're relying on pure luck to get them.

It would be a nice change of pace from the gear they usually put in these events that we can easily get with poetics, minus the pvp gear we got from a past moogle event.

I don't see why they don't have an npc in front of these dungeons entry points that let's u try on the gear sets dropped from these dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I can't think of any reason to oppose this.

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There kind of is... Filling parties for those dungeons for people who want to do them. At least there are those who need runs for the glamour to help with their queues.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

There kind of is... Filling parties for those dungeons for people who want to do them. At least there are those who need runs for the glamour to help with their queues.

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Everyone before or after the tome event will still need to queue – just not as relentlessly as they do now.

They've sold the Skallic healer and Bonewicca caster sets in the past because those were fan contest designs, but anyone who joins the game today will have to run the dungeons for it if they want it now, even if the sets might reappear in a future tome event. It all works in waves.

(Or they could just go for the guaranteed drop model, which hasn't stopped anyone from having to run the dungeons either. And improve EXP rewards for the 50/80 dungeon roulette.)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Shisui isn't in the group of dungeons I'm talking about. It's a levelling dungeon and you get a guaranteed piece of gear for your class when you complete it.

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Good grief. I was just joking about Shisui. I didn't think I would have to spell out how silly it would be to put the Shisui gear in the list of items, but I also guess there is not much need to in a thread from you. Are you compelled to correct every single little detail about the game, or can you actually take a step back and realize when a poster is on your side?

Just so you know, I am a huge glamour chaser and well aware of what you're asking for, and how dungeon drops work. I've been playing the game a really long time.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

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There was nothing in your post that flagged sarcasm.

And yes, I will continue to correct people even if they're "on my side" if they seem to have not understood what I have said.

I love the irony of waiting to run dungeons to get gear from dungeons. :)

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I love the irony of waiting to run dungeons to get gear from dungeons. :)

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Only when you boil it down to that degree of simplicity.

Running a predictable number of dungeons for tokens is preferable to running them over and over at the mercy of RNG.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Only when you boil it down to that degree of simplicity.

Running a predictable number of dungeons for tokens is preferable to running them over and over at the mercy of RNG.

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I guarantee you can get what you want before the next moogle event, even if you run each dungeon once a week.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

There was nothing in your post that flagged sarcasm.

And yes, I will continue to correct people even if they're "on my side" if they seem to have not understood what I have said.

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Sure, I can give you that things are easily taken out of context on a discussion forum. But you can also pull the stick out of your rear. I mean that in the kindest way possible.

Stop taking things so seriously. Please.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I guarantee you can get what you want before the next moogle event, even if you run each dungeon once a week.

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You literally cannot guarantee me that random chance will turn out a certain way.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

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You're the one leaping to personal attacks over genuine misinterpretation of a statement.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

You literally cannot guarantee me that random chance will turn out a certain way.

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I absolutely can. I refuse to believe one can have such horrid luck over the course of 4 months. Rolling on the EX mount, sure... getting a particular dungeon piece will happen before that time is up.

Where there's a will, there's a way. :D

Trusts / Duty Support are the way to go. No waiting, no sharing Loot.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Trusts / Duty Support are the way to go. No waiting, no sharing Loot.

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How you even Duty Support/Trust 60/70/80/90 content...?

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I absolutely can. I refuse to believe one can have such horrid luck over the course of 4 months. Rolling on the EX mount, sure... getting a particular dungeon piece will happen before that time is up.

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Depending in the number of pieces available, and the number of items dropped we can make an estimate though.

Lets say for all 5 roles its 12 pieces, that means 60 in total. When each time you play by average you get 5 items. As duplicates can drop, we cant say a 1/12 chance per run though. We realy need to count the number of drops instead, and each drop thats about 1.5%. Now lets say we do 10 runs, which means 50 items have been dropped, this gives about 52% chance of it dropping.

But it doesnt end there, you have to still win the odds against other players. For tanks/healers this is easy in 4man duties (100%), but for a dps, that can halve the chance again. Those 10 runs might already be 20 here for equal odds.

And now we can make things even worse, since its not just duty time to consider, its also queue time. A 10min queue and then 20min duty means those 20 runs already take 10 hours. And that for just a single piece!

Randomness can be an absolute pain, because its not the majorty that is unhappy, its only those that had realy bad luck. And for those people they might have tried 100 attempts easily. Horrid luck is simply just part of the statistics of luck, if it wouldnt exist, then the RNG would be based and not be completely random (which is often exploitable and therefor undesired). For EX mounts they have those tokens for that very same reason, as those tokens will simply break any bad luck streak as after 99 completions, you are guaranteed the reward.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Trusts / Duty Support are the way to go. No waiting, no sharing Loot.

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Trust aren't really the way to go for repeated runs, even in the limited range of 50/80 dungeons where they are available, unless you can't get a group together. The lower levels are often quicker to run solo than with a synched party – up to at least level 69 and presumably some of the 70s can be comfortably cleared with a solo level 90 – and the 80 dungeons are best done with an unsynched group.

Also, my understanding is that trust runs drop less loot overall, though I'm not sure if that means less left-side gear or less jewellery. If it's "less everything" then the trade-off of trusts is that you will get everything that drops but there are less opportunities for a specific item to drop. That would suggest that your better bet for a specific piece is to run solo OR with a player group to maximise chances of it appearing, while playing the role that will allow you to Need on it.

This still doesn't change the fact that you only have one guaranteed 1-in-14 chance per dungeon run to get any particular item, with an unreliable chance at a second 1-in-14 drop.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Depending in the number of pieces available, and the number of items dropped we can make an estimate though.

Lets say for all 5 roles its 12 pieces, that means 60 in total. When each time you play by average you get 5 items. As duplicates can drop, we cant say a 1/12 chance per run though. We realy need to count the number of drops instead, and each drop thats about 1.5%. Now lets say we do 10 runs, which means 50 items have been dropped, this gives about 52% chance of it dropping.

But it doesnt end there, you have to still win the odds against other players. For tanks/healers this is easy in 4man duties (100%), but for a dps, that can halve the chance again. Those 10 runs might already be 20 here for equal odds.

And now we can make things even worse, since its not just duty time to consider, its also queue time. A 10min queue and then 20min duty means those 20 runs already take 10 hours. And that for just a single piece!

Randomness can be an absolute pain, because its not the majorty that is unhappy, its only those that had realy bad luck. And for those people they might have tried 100 attempts easily. Horrid luck is simply just part of the statistics of luck, if it wouldnt exist, then the RNG would be based and not be completely random (which is often exploitable and therefor undesired). For EX mounts they have those tokens for that very same reason, as those tokens will simply break any bad luck streak as after 99 completions, you are guaranteed the reward.

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We're talking older content though, so it can be unsynced. The task becomes even shorter when the piece you want drops earlier in the dungeon.

I've done a fair bit of farming for myself and others. I've had several occasions where I'm helping someone out and they get what they want first run. I know things can take a while to drop though. It took me a long time to get the Striking top to even drop in Troia.

I only brought up EX as a comparison point because you'll have 7 other people after the same thing, where dungeons have one possible competitor and alliance is 3 at most.

To my previous point: If you can't get the dungeon piece you want between now and April, it's something wrong on your end and you're likely not running it much. The OP proposal is to have dungeon gear on a thrice a year event and even that would likely be limited to one dungeon and even one or two jobs. It's an overreaction to a problem that doesn't really exist.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Trust aren't really the way to go for repeated runs, even in the limited range of 50/80 dungeons where they are available, unless you can't get a group together. The lower levels are often quicker to run solo than with a synched party – up to at least level 69 and presumably some of the 70s can be comfortably cleared with a solo level 90 – and the 80 dungeons are best done with an unsynched group.

Also, my understanding is that trust runs drop less loot overall, though I'm not sure if that means less left-side gear or less jewellery. If it's "less everything" then the trade-off of trusts is that you will get everything that drops but there are less opportunities for a specific item to drop. That would suggest that your better bet for a specific piece is to run solo OR with a player group to maximise chances of it appearing, while playing the role that will allow you to Need on it.

This still doesn't change the fact that you only have one guaranteed 1-in-14 chance per dungeon run to get any particular item, with an unreliable chance at a second 1-in-14 drop.

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Duty Support goes from Level 15 - 57 and Trust from Level 71 - 90. If you are Level 75+ you can run all Dungeons between Level 57 - 70 with an Unrestricted Party (Solo).
I farmed all Tower of Babil Gear and Weapons + all Troja Gear (every single Job) and the Drop was fine. 5-7 Items per Run. Don't know what problem everyone have. Better 5-7 Items per Run for yourself as to share 8-10 Items between a Group.

Weren't some of the Bonewicca sets in one of the previous moogle tome events? I'm too lazy to log in to check right now.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Weren't some of the Bonewicca sets in one of the previous moogle tome events? I'm too lazy to log in to check right now.

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They might've been. Was that another design winner?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Weren't some of the Bonewicca sets in one of the previous moogle tome events? I'm too lazy to log in to check right now.

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Yes, only the caster set though, because it was a design contest winner.

Speaking of contest winners, when are we supposed to get the sage cutleries? Im dying to go back to the kitchen.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

Speaking of contest winners, when are we supposed to get the sage cutleries? Im dying to go back to the kitchen.

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probably during the Manderville line.