I Just Noticed Shadowbringers Invalidates Endwalker's Plot Armour

I just re-played 5.3 on a new character for the first time since finishing Endwalker on my 'main' and was stunned to see Endwalker's main plot armour .. what I call the "orange crystal of emotional investment killing" .. IS INVALID!

Why?

Because if you watch the post-Seat of Sacrifice cutscene, at the point where Elidibus is kneeling on the ground in white 'Amourtine' form the player drops the 13 crystals they'd collected in the quest "Etched in the Stars" and the orange Azem's Crystal is one of them; unsurprising really given I doubt SE had come up with the "and with one bound they were free" part of Endwalker's climax.

When Elidibus' body evaporates into a cloud of aether so do the crystals INCLUDING AZEM'S.

So Endwalker's end story has the player use an item THEY CAN'T HAVE!

LOL, SE need a story continuity expert methinks.

/sigh

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Originally Posted by Pintsized

I just re-played 5.3 on a new character for the first time since finishing Endwalker on my 'main' and was stunned to see Endwalker's main plot armour .. what I call the "orange crystal of emotional investment killing" .. IS INVALID!

Why?

Because if you watch the post-Seat of Sacrifice cutscene, at the point where Elidibus is kneeling on the ground in white 'Amourtine' form the player drops the 13 crystals they'd collected in the quest "Etched in the Stars" and the orange Azem's Crystal is one of them; unsurprising really given I doubt SE had come up with the "and with one bound they were free" part of Endwalker's climax.

When Elidibus' body evaporates into a cloud of aether so do the crystals INCLUDING AZEM'S.

So Endwalker's end story has the player use an item THEY CAN'T HAVE!

LOL, how to destroy whatever story telling credibility hadn't already been lost in the deployment of this plot armour device in the first place.

/sigh

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You might want to double check that because WoL still has that crystal in one of the subsequent scenes. The convocation was 14 seats.

You might want to rewatch the cutscene where we bring graha's soul vessel to the crystal tower to merge him with his former self.
Specifically Cutscene #3 in the Reflections in Crystal quest.

Literally 20 mins after SoS:

https://imgur.com/rnTd7r6.png

Should've gone to specsavers

Wonder if OP will come back to the thread and actually acknowledge they were wrong?

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Originally Posted by Silvarer

Wonder if OP will come back to the thread and actually acknowledge they were wrong?

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No. You can't do that on the internet!

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Originally Posted by Silvarer

Wonder if OP will come back to the thread and actually acknowledge they were wrong?

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I think it'd be funnier if they didn't and we just kept this thread alive to remind them of it whenever they check the site

It would be funnier if they did and tried to double down by showing the picture of the 13 memory stones having one that they think would have the sol symbol. There are some of colors that are close to the Azem stone.

Why.. am I not surprised..

This isn't their first similarly made thread.

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Originally Posted by Silvarer

Wonder if OP will come back to the thread and actually acknowledge they were wrong?

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do they ever?

usually the type will announce their earth shattering find, and then... its like it never really happened. they were hacked! they were possessed by aliens or maybe even Georgio himself! someone else posted as them! it was the government!

take your pick, but wrong? never.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

do they ever?

usually the type will announce their earth shattering find, and then... its like it never really happened. they were hacked! they were possessed by aliens or maybe even Georgio himself! someone else posted as them! it was the government!

take your pick, but wrong? never.

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Lol, yeah it usually does go that way. Too many people seem to be afraid of just going “Whoops sorry, my bad” unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Silvarer

Lol, yeah it usually does go that way. Too many people seem to be afraid of just going “Whoops sorry, my bad” unfortunately.

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Well, to be fair, the masses tend to constantly remind you regardless if you apologize. Not to mention the unsavory types will actually keep it in their pocket as ammo if the error is severe enough.

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Originally Posted by Pintsized

I just re-played 5.3 on a new character for the first time since finishing Endwalker on my 'main' and was stunned to see Endwalker's main plot armour .. what I call the "orange crystal of emotional investment killing" .. IS INVALID!

Why?

Because if you watch the post-Seat of Sacrifice cutscene, at the point where Elidibus is kneeling on the ground in white 'Amourtine' form the player drops the 13 crystals they'd collected in the quest "Etched in the Stars" and the orange Azem's Crystal is one of them; unsurprising really given I doubt SE had come up with the "and with one bound they were free" part of Endwalker's climax.

When Elidibus' body evaporates into a cloud of aether so do the crystals INCLUDING AZEM'S.

So Endwalker's end story has the player use an item THEY CAN'T HAVE!

LOL, SE need a story continuity expert methinks.

/sigh

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It's just one big plot thread.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

No. You can't do that on the internet!

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To be fair even if you do people will just mock you for it, so why would anyone bother?

The only plot hole is the friends we made along the way.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

To be fair even if you do people will just mock you for it, so why would anyone bother?

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Some people should be mocked

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Well, to be fair, the masses tend to constantly remind you regardless if you apologize. Not to mention the unsavory types will actually keep it in their pocket as ammo if the error is severe enough.

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better to double down instead

https://imgur.com/MxzC4mk.png

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Some people should be mocked

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When you're trying to promote maturity and better behavior?

Admitting that you're wrong about something is something we should promote by applauding others for it. We shouldn't be mocking them and making them not want to do so.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

When you're trying to promote maturity and better behavior?

Admitting that you're wrong about something is something we should promote by applauding others for it. We shouldn't be mocking them and making them not want to do so.

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When has OP admitted they were wrong? Did i miss a post?

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

When you're trying to promote maturity and better behavior?

Admitting that you're wrong about something is something we should promote by applauding others for it. We shouldn't be mocking them and making them not want to do so.

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Yes because the attitude presented in the OP was totally not disingenuous or anything...oh wait...

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Originally Posted by Saraide

When has OP admitted they were wrong? Did i miss a post?

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You didn't. The point is though that if they were then it should be welcomed and respected, not mocked and insulted.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Yes because the attitude presented in the OP was totally not disingenuous or anything...oh wait...

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People can change and better their attitudes. There's no guarantee that they will, but if given the chance we should let them.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

You didn't. The point is though that if they were then it should be welcomed and respected, not mocked and insulted.



People can change and better their attitudes. There's no guarantee that they will, but if given the chance we should let them.

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Well so far they are worthy of derision. You are dismissed

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Originally Posted by FireMage

"You are dismissed"

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...no offense man but dial back your arrogance. All this line does is lessen your credibility because you just sound incredibly obnoxious when you say it and you say it way too often.

That said, they are worthy of derision "in your opinion", not objectively.

No, it was objective, not subjective. Dismissed

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

You didn't. The point is though that if they were then it should be welcomed and respected, not mocked and insulted.



People can change and better their attitudes. There's no guarantee that they will, but if given the chance we should let them.

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Well they havent, so for now mockery will prevail. No need to preemptively jump to their defense when they have done nothing defense worthy in this thread so far.

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Originally Posted by FireMage

No, it was objective, not subjective. Dismissed

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Justification for mockery is never objective as mockery and choosing to do so are inherently subjective. Mockery has no social benefit other than amusement on behest of failure or negative aspects of others.

Feel free to disagree, but your disagreement will not change this.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Justification for mockery is never objective as mockery and choosing to do so are inherently subjective.

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Factually wrong as some people deserve derision and negativity towards them. Do I really need to give historical examples or are you done?

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Factually wrong as some people deserve derision and negativity towards them. Do I really need to give historical examples or are you done?

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FireMage pls stop being full of bs.

I am genuinely disinclined to believe that you can provide us scientifically accurate data and statistics indicating that the justification is indeed objectively acceptable.

I am not aware of quantifyable data proving such nonsense existing and assuming so would go against common sense.
I am however willing to be proven wrong IF you can provide data proving such beyond reasonable doubt.

Until then, best of luck.

Picks up a chair & throws it through the window, the Steve Austin glass breaking music hits, looks around at the property damage caused by my outburst.

Sorry bout throwing that chair through the window guys, I just wanted to be a part of the fight.

I dont know why you guys havent reported FireMage to the gms already. Isnt like trolling one of the rules for posting here, or instigating or whatever?



Im obviously joking btw.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...lWT1qfkt17.gif

sigh... you'd think people would catch on.
Then again, it took gamefaqs years not to engage.

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Originally Posted by hagare

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-conte...lWT1qfkt17.gif

sigh... you'd think people would catch on.
Then again, it took gamefaqs years not to engage.

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Oh I am 100% aware what he is doing, however I want to see how far it goes.

I look at this thread and wonder how the hell it's still going after I solved the problem right away.... of course, that troll....

This must be the Great Community I've been hearing about!

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Originally Posted by Lustre

This must be the Great Community I've been hearing about!

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you're part of it

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Originally Posted by Lustre

This must be the Great Community I've been hearing about!

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Making salt into your entire personality makes you pretty boring.

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Originally Posted by Silvarer

Making salt into your entire personality makes you pretty boring.

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idk man, you ask historians about Carthage and they don't shut up about it :x

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Originally Posted by Lustre

This must be the Great Community I've been hearing about!

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Lmao, it never ceases to amaze me.