At first, I took the phrase above as a joke but honestly, I am starting to feel like placard-clicking segmented those who 'really' wanted a house from those who are pretty nonchalant about it. Even Jimmy Soft-boots, who uses the keyboard arrows to walk has a chance.
No, I'm not asking for placard clicking to be back. But I feel there need to be more non-rng barriers to getting a house if it's limited. Some form of player control is appreciated.
Housing to me is a symbol of status. It might be a good idea to increase the in-game requirements so people serious about getting a house compete against each other.
PS:
I am not asking for savage/ultimate clears for the chance of getting a house.
Keep apartments the way they are.
What should be a requirement for you to get a house might be the complicated part.
Starting to miss placard clicking
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11-19-2022, 01:08 AMAlanJustStarting to miss placard clicking
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11-19-2022, 01:15 AMDoozerYou sound like a landlord.Quote:
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Enjoy your copium that my loser ass got a house practically for free because no one else bid on the house I wanted. Work smarter, not harder. -
11-19-2022, 01:38 AMAlanJustSounds like you need another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doozer
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11-19-2022, 06:10 AMNepenthaNah. The way things were going the only way you were getting a house with the placard-click system is if you bought an overpriced FC house from an RMTer. Botting was out of control, and RMTers had pretty much figured out how to guarantee they were getting that house so they could sell it for cash asap. Especially on Balmung. I watched one guy do it on multiple FCs.Quote:
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Can't bot the lotto, though. -
11-19-2022, 09:00 AMJojoyaMight be a status symbol to you. I think you'll find a substantial part of the player base disagrees with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanJust
So does Square Enix since they're adding another 1800 plots to every world in 6.3.
Get a house because you want a house to decorate and use, not because you think having a house will make you special. -
11-19-2022, 09:29 AMKyssaQuote:
Originally Posted by AlanJust
I walk using my keyboard arrows sometimes. Bet this'll chap yer' butt- we won a large during plottery event #6 for our family FC. A really nice plot too.
However, it was a relo as we'd already won an FC house when placard clicking was a thing. I placard clicked for my house (a nice small) a year ago and have stayed there.
Placard clicking was the poop and I am glad to see it gone. -
11-19-2022, 10:07 AMKnot_D
Is Roegadyn flexing view a symbol of status as well? :)
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11-19-2022, 10:37 AMShibiNo, you are wrong there. It's not housing that is the symbol of status, the real "status" comes from address (like 1/41 or 4/20) or having combos including one of the S/SS/SSS teir plots. Flexing Roe's medium + small combo is one of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanJust
True. As a Jimmy Soft-boots I do use my keyboard arrows to walk sometimes and here are two of my houses: This one is a LB41 on DynamisQuote:
Originally Posted by AlanJust
https://i.gyazo.com/17f8f82992e0355d...85980efcd2.jpg
Here is my house on another server: a S60 on Materia
https://i.gyazo.com/3c61ee5466bf7b29...5ac889bd62.jpg
Both these DCs have lots of empty plots.
I think it's more that you are intentionally hobbling yourself on Balmung. Move to a lower population server and there are a multitude of empty plots for any Johnny Soft-boots to walk up and take their pick of.
That medium is a top class plot! I hope to be able to grab it one day :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Knot_D
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11-28-2022, 01:49 PMAyan_Calvesse
I think its a question of "Who" gets a house and "is one person more deserving?"
My issue I take with the lotto is that there are people that have been trying since the lotto started; is atleast a few cases I've seen they lost to someone who already owns other homes.
I think the longer you play the lotto the better your chances should become. A freshly boosted alt should not have the same chance as the poor soul that has been trying for months - I think that is one way that might need to be made more "fair" -
11-28-2022, 06:22 PMReinha
There are still dozens of small fc plots available in Ishgard on my server. All the doom and gloom about shell fcs taking houses from "real" fcs was false. Bigger fcs have what they need by now.
If you want a system that rewards the effort you put in instead of pure luck, it's right there. I have come to think it's better than placard clicking and free for all. People who don't want to level one alt to 60 within 30 days must not want a house very badly. More plots are coming and who knows, maybe it would be smart to prepare your fc before that. -
11-28-2022, 11:23 PMAyan_CalvesseYeah your on Odin. If you look at the active servers it paints a different picture; unless your suggesting people change to foreign data centers to acquire property. To a lesser extent you have a point with Dynamis opening in NA; but again you need to provide proof when your making a claim that shell FCs are not now taking housing because my (although anecdotal) personal experience disagrees with that assessment. I also fail to see how changing servers is effort; its more or less just punishing yourself (for example being unable to join a FC on a active server, no EB etc) because you had to go to Dynamis for example. And using a alt for housing for personal use is a band-aid solution to contribute to the exact problem you claim does not exist (making shell FCs to acquire a home)Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
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11-28-2022, 11:45 PMReinhaNo one is talking about moving servers. Even on active NA servers it took some time to fill every small fc house. More houses are coming soon, at which point you can either have a fc or not have a fc to bid with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse
You misunderstood me it seems. Shell fcs exist, but they are not a problem if there are still fc houses available. How many empty fc plots are there on Coeurl? -
11-29-2022, 02:50 AMAvoidy
That placard game was rng in a different flavor. Who will happen to click at the right time? It was all luck. And then most of them would use scripts to bot at the placard and you'd see them all, after the plot had been won, just standing there continuing to click on a signpost. And that was assuming someone didn't just relocate to the plot. It was all luck and competing against cheaters. I don't miss it at all. But this new system doesn't meet people's demands either, unless you're on some dead world/dc I guess. Then you just have homes for days. This situation isn't ideal for players on even a remotely active world/datacenter, and no, moving to Materia isn't a viable solution considering the absolute state Square's abandoned it in. Players are actively fleeing that DC because it turns out most people would rather be homeless on a DC that lets them enjoy the game.
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11-29-2022, 09:15 PMJojoyaChecking this just before I post:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
One small in Lavender Beds
Two smalls in Empyreum.
Shirogane, Mist and Goblet are full.
Coeurl effectively ran out of FC houses back in September. Still better than Balmung and Mateus, which ran out even sooner. Not certain about the status of other Crystal worlds but they're probably in the same shape as Coeurl. -
11-30-2022, 01:13 AMIllmaeranAre you a Roe with a house? If so...be still my heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knot_D
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12-01-2022, 01:05 AMReinhaSo some NA worlds other than Balmung did actually use up all their fc houses? That's interesting. If it took 5 months for Coeurl and others, it still seems as though bigger fcs have had plenty of time to obtain a house before solo fcs got theirs. Hopefully some of the new wards in NA are fc only so that fcs created in the future will be able to obtain a house as well.Quote:
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12-01-2022, 09:16 AMAcesfool
My problem with the lotto is that your bid is for a specific house. Some people, like me, don't care which housing district they get a house in. Sure, I might prefer Shirogane, but I'll be just as happy with a house in Mist. If I want a medium house I should be able to place a bid for any available medium house.
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12-02-2022, 10:35 PMdspguyIf the players placard spamming were all truly there and truly spending a ridiculous 12-24 hours spamming incessantly... then sure. However, they weren't. People (not all people) were using bots to spam placards.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanJust
It seemed to me that most of what was going on with placard spamming was someone would win and then they'd continually be clicking their own placard for another 4+ hours until the "owner" came back and turned off their bot. -
12-02-2022, 11:30 PMToutatis
Placard spamming was the dumbest system and it only encouraged botting. If you were the honest player, you could be there for an unhealthy number of hours. It wasn’t just a matter of “really” wanting a house as op posted but a matter of being able to sit and click for hours knowing that you were competing against bots. Many have busy lives with multiple familial and professional obligations that are simply incompatible with such a system and it’s not a matter of “want” but “can”.
It was also rng based: the first click after an invisible timer goes off and that timer could go off the moment you went afk due to a call of nature and then you had to restart the madness again.
And an in game house is a “status symbol”? Lol. At most, in the old wards a mansion may mean that you have been playing for a long while. Other than that, an in game house means nothing. I guess OP is one of those people who live for others. I get an in game house for myself because decorating is fun and the house brings some utility. -
12-03-2022, 12:02 AMJojoyaIt sounds like you're making assumptions about how long it takes a FC to meet the requirements for house purchase based on its size.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
A solo FC can get to Rank 6 within a few hours of FC creation by spamming Expert Deliveries. All it takes is a little advance preparation by collecting gear received through quick ventures, buying from the marketboard cheap and/or doing some supplemental solo dungeon farming.
Then they're ready to go just like the large FCs. The only difference between the two *might* be the number of entries they have for a plot depending on the wealth of the members.
The FCs at a real disadvantage are the genuine small to mid-size FCs formed by relatively new players that are less likely to have the resources of the other two.
Certainly SE will make some of the new wards FC but we're right back to how many will still be left 3 months later when more recently created FCs will be looking for a house. How many will have been bought up by the shell FCs running their workshop farms?
It's a mess of a system and any short term gain on the supply problem that SE creates quickly gets wiped out because those small gains are still far less than general demand.
It's a mess that SE could have avoided by not attaching gil generation to housing and having it all fully instanced from the start. -
12-03-2022, 01:16 AMReinhaDoing it to rank 6 in a few hours is a bit overkill lol. You can't bid for 30 days, no matter what size an fc you have. That is a massive help to put fcs on a more equal footing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
New players as in literal level 1 players freshly out the tutorial don't even know what a free company is. I think they are not the ones making new free companies. And even if they are, they have a whole month. If they looked up what a free company is, they can also look up the best ways to rank it up. A legitimate free company with multiple members has more collective time to farm than solo players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
Also, no one told new-ish players to join the most populated NA realms that are congested most of the time. The only reason would be joining friends on their server, but then they would get help building their fc from friends who are not new to the game. -
12-03-2022, 02:43 PMKnot_DSorry but I'm already laying around with the Roe across my house :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Illmaeran
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12-04-2022, 12:01 AMJojoyaGetting to rank 6 isn't overkill for those who are making the FC for purposes of getting a house. They want it done as fast as possible so the 30 day waiting period is over as fast as possible. You're right about the wait putting everyone on an equal footing but then isn't that the base complaint many have - that shell FCs are equal to larger FCs when it comes to getting a house?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinha
I think you missed where I said "relatively" when referring to new players forming FCs. I'm not talking about the fresh level 1 characters. I'm talking about the players who been playing a couple of months, made some friends (if they didn't join with friends) and made some progress through MSQ. They're generally not going to have the gil to make more than a single bid on even a small and they're not going to know the ins and outs of the game like veteran players do. I wasn't even considering the speed to rank up the FC when making my comments.
And you're naive if you think NA players are going to think about putting their characters on worlds in less populated regions when they start playing the game. They're going to put their characters on the NA worlds because they're NA players. They're only going to consider other regions if they already have friends in those regions or are expatriates living in NA for whatever reason but would like a chance to play with people from "home".
The NA congestion is a problem created by SE though players did have a small hand in it. It was already a problem on most NA worlds even before Shadowbringers and the flood of WoW refugees. It wasn't hard to look at one of the unofficial census trackers to see how much larger NA populations were compared to JP and EU. If JP populations are the size SE is shooting for, then having worlds with 75-125% more population was a problem but SE chose to do nothing about it. Maybe if players didn't spend so much time complaining about "dead worlds" when the worlds were nothing of the sort, SE might have done something sooner.