What is wrong with Ifrit?

We were doing fine, had him losing HP faster than you could count it, and destroyed all the nails within 20 seconds..and he immediately teleports to the center, skipping all animations, and Hellfires, instantly one-shotting half the group for 2.8-3k damage.

I mean, seriously, as if the badly programmed laggy cracks and lava weren't bad enough, does he really have to randomly do crud like that?

If you kill it too fast, he uses hellfire. this is intentional as part of the fight is surviving hellfire.

Yeah, I can see that. Unfortunately, all the nails were destroyed and he decided to do a 2 nail damage hellfire anyways. Definitely not intended.

I could understand if we had ignored the nails and he did 9999, or even if he had done 9999 mid nails from a aero tick or something.

But punishing good teamwork and a perfect rotation is just...mean.

Using sentinel helps and try to keep SS on your mages and yourself. The tank should be fine.

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Originally Posted by LackingLadyLover

Yeah, I can see that. Unfortunately, all the nails were destroyed and he decided to do a 2 nail damage hellfire anyways. Definitely not intended.

I could understand if we had ignored the nails and he did 9999, or even if he had done 9999 mid nails from a aero tick or something.

But punishing good teamwork and a perfect rotation is just...mean.

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If it makes you feel better, we had a glitchy garuda, where her plumes started their exploding swirl animation almost instantly after popping. They exploded in about 8 seconds, and wrecked our party up in seconds. :s

And another glitchy garuda where she hit all 4 mages and the bard with shriek despite them all being directly behind the rock from her, followed by a normal attack on one of them whos small AoE wiped them all out, lol.

So basically, the Primals are just glitchy, hastily thrown together, badly programmed fights?
Sounds about right when it comes to my various experiences of them doing things that aren't quite normal.

Would also explain why Yoshi is doing away with the fights in 2.0 in favor of new revamped raids and wandering bosses.

i had a whole night of these type Ifrit's, jumps where he'd WS in mid air, Hellfire goin off before jump happens, and other nifty things of that nature, the best was a seemingly random hate reset before anyone other than me did anything he decided to just wander away and attack random people ~15 seconds into the fight after voke/flash/spirits combo, it was hilarious.

I tend to imagine Ifrit with a giant grin on his face saying "who's the weakest avatar/summon/magicite/Eidolon now?!" whenever he decides to just unleash hell upon everyone with his glitches. Happens roughly 50% of the time...

Never glitch on me.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Never glitch on me.

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Yeah I've yet to see glitches like this..lol. Sure you can argue "latency" but what's being said in this topic..I think it's more people expecting a fight you can walk in and faceroll it without any danger >.>, even taking out nails you'll still take a fair bit of damage.

Never happened to me. Also, if you take out the nails after he starts to ready Hellfire, they it still counts as those being up so that could of been it.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Yeah I've yet to see glitches like this..lol. Sure you can argue "latency" but what's being said in this topic..I think it's more people expecting a fight you can walk in and faceroll it without any danger >.>, even taking out nails you'll still take a fair bit of damage.

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I never saw it act like this before the 1.22b patch. It's far from my first time fighting him, I promise ^^
It may have just been a bad time/day for me/my ls but we all saw oddities last night. I haven't been back since but probably will with people that still want to try their luck on the roulette wheel that is Ifrit. So I'll get to see if it was just a bad day/time for it.

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Originally Posted by Enfarious

I never saw it act like this before the 1.22b patch. It's far from my first time fighting him, I promise ^^
It may have just been a bad time/day for me/my ls but we all saw oddities last night. I haven't been back since but probably will with people that still want to try their luck on the roulette wheel that is Ifrit. So I'll get to see if it was just a bad day/time for it.

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Yeah I'm not sure it probably could have been worse due to more people on at the time, since trying it out an hour ago didn't see these glitches lol, so probably just latency if anything but the only problems that I still see is you can waste a WS and etc on Ifrit as he jumps.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Never happened to me. Also, if you take out the nails after he starts to ready Hellfire, they it still counts as those being up so that could of been it.

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Nails were taken out and then instead of jumping and casting hellfire, he instantly teleported the moment the final nail was hammered down and hellfired for enough damage to one shot almost everyone from full hp (we had taken no unnecessary damage the entire fight, which was about 2 mins before that.)

It is a fundamental flaw in the design of the battle. It is based on a pre-scripted choreographed dance routine, and deviation from this script can result in sudden and illogical corrections.

Basically, Iffy is doing a dance: 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 4, 1, 2, 5

But if you skip a step and go: 1, 2, 5

Iffy will correct and quickly jump to his new spot (and in this case it means Hellfire).

To be honest, it's so scripted I would expect some botting on him to be happening o.o

I see, so if you make him misstep, he goes and wipes the group. Really, really bad coding.

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Originally Posted by LackingLadyLover

So basically, the Primals are just glitchy, hastily thrown together, badly programmed fights?
Sounds about right when it comes to my various experiences of them doing things that aren't quite normal.

Would also explain why Yoshi is doing away with the fights in 2.0 in favor of new revamped raids and wandering bosses.

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Not entirely. I mean I've never seen what you're encountering ever. Every time we destroy all the nails the damage adjusts accordingly. Sounds like a fluke to me, it's definitely not the norm. If these things happened every time anyone fought a Primal then yeah they'd be hastily thrown together glitchy fights. You've encountered something outside the norm.

I like how he say bad coding in all his post. He needs his own "bad coding" meme.

I like how you read less than half the posts.

However, I hate Justin Bieber.

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Originally Posted by LackingLadyLover

I like how you read less than half the posts.

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To be fair you do cite bad coding a lot when if that's the case everyone would have experienced these problems..hell we can get Ifrit down to nail stage in barely 2 minutes and never seen glitches like this. As much as people want to say it's perfectly choreographed, it's not. The only things that are guaranteed are Plumes and Eruption, you can only predict it's pattern if you keep Ifrit at the start spot because that's what most people do. Lure Ifrit to the right side of the arena or where you zone in and I can promise the routine isn't the same for certain things.

Glitches will happen this is true, but I've yet to honestly see Ifrit bugged in the fashion you speak of. The most I've seen was someone getting knocked out of the arena lol.

Haven't had any problems myself either.

Ifrit will automatically hellfire if his health is brought past a certain point. Probably you brought him too low before hellfire and he instantly used it.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

To be fair you do cite bad coding a lot when if that's the case everyone would have experienced these problems..hell we can get Ifrit down to nail stage in barely 2 minutes and never seen glitches like this. As much as people want to say it's perfectly choreographed, it's not. The only things that are guaranteed are Plumes and Eruption, you can only predict it's pattern if you keep Ifrit at the start spot because that's what most people do. Lure Ifrit to the right side of the arena or where you zone in and I can promise the routine isn't the same for certain things.

Glitches will happen this is true, but I've yet to honestly see Ifrit bugged in the fashion you speak of. The most I've seen was someone getting knocked out of the arena lol.

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The only glitch that has ever happened to me was when I entered once, he just randomly shot towards me. Besides that, nothing.

If it happened once, then it is okay, if it happens a lot, it is a problem.

Funniest thing I've seen in Ifrit was once I was tanking and he turned and attacked one of WHM's, don't think she pulled hate as I have never seen a WHM pull hate in the fight, so Ifrit kills the WHM then goes back to me, the other WHM raises the first WHM and Ifrit goes right back to beating on her again without her even doing anything, she dies again and this time a THM raises her, same thing, Ifrit goes back to her and kills her again, we had to leave her down because it was like her hate was stuck on blinking red, oddest thing I've seen in the game so far

I've never seen a glitch like this in the Ifrit fight.

The vast majority of Primal fights go without a hitch if you've got everything down to a science; the ones you -remember-, though, are the ones where some hilarious glitch happens. Don't assume that "Primal fights are glitchy" in a thread specifically recounting odd glitches, that's confirmation bias!

(That said I wouldn't surprise me if there -were- glitches; remember the Garuda glitch that allowed bypassing of Aerial Blast. All bets are off in general when it comes to 1.xx's coding, especially if you're doing the fight faster or differently than the people who wrote the monster AI anticipated. I've killed Ifrit /pretty/ speedily and never saw that glitch, though, so... weird.)

Glitches seem common enough, for Ifrit in Particular, that most people encounter them in one form or another. If that's not enough to call the fight "glitchy" then I really don't know what is. I could understand if it wasn't a scripted encounter, but it most assuredly is one. Unfortunately, Ifrit has dyslexia and seems to be a very bad actor, to boot!

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Originally Posted by LackingLadyLover

Glitches seem common enough, for Ifrit in Particular, that most people encounter them in one form or another. If that's not enough to call the fight "glitchy" then I really don't know what is.

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as far as I can see from most replies in this thread, as well as from everyone I know most people dont see glitches. And most of the ones that said they do in this thread have seen them one time.

End of it all, a glitch is a glitch, whether it happens once or 10k times. Intermittent faults are the worst thing in software and electronics. So hard to replicate and narrow down to fix.

I've seen that WHM thing too, well the weird hate shift. Was on a THM tho first spell he got hate and died. I didn't see the rest though once he was raised he was fine. Whether to a missed WS or not 1 spell shouldn't be enough to overcome 2xflash and 2xvoke and yet he died lol

My favorite thing about topics like these is whenever someone has an oddity with glitches, you always have people rush to post:

"Never happened to me."

And that's all they say.

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Originally Posted by Jacien

My favorite thing about topics like these is whenever someone has an oddity with glitches, you always have people rush to post:

"Never happened to me."

And that's all they say.

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We're all supposed to know that if it's never happened to them it's just that we don't know what we're doing. I mean I know from experience that no ones experience with this game differs from mine. It can't because there's never any deviation from the norm when games and computers are involved.

Last night my LS was helping me with the Lv25 fight against Ifrit. I had no choice but to watch the awesome cutscene, but as soon as that was over and I 'entered' the fight, my character was already dead including everyone else (who was Lv50!). Apparently my LS leader used some magic against it (I was unable to see what was done since I was in the CS) and then Ifrit one-shot everyone with Hellfire. We were all laughing at what happened. We think the game had lagged with me, because my LS leader was the only one to have started the fight, and once my character and my friends got ported in, we all got one-shot by Ifrit.

So, we tried again and this time our BLM50 in the group one-shot Ifrit with Freeze and ended up killing him. He was ported into the fight first and everyone came in after him, and I was the last. For some reason I had to go through the CS again...

Still, I don't know why all of our games lagged like that unless there were more people trying to do the fight, too.

It's probably a glitch. I've seen a lot of glitchy stuff in these fights, especially where the environment is involved. It is already common knowledge that your exact 'position' will not appear the same on every person's screen, so when you are standing in the right spot between lava, you may still get hit... and when you are standing directly behind a rock on garuda, you may still get hit. It's unfair, but it's a glitch because of this. Yoshi P also mentioned this issue with his plans to fix it.

As far as Hellfire doing so much damage... How soon did you kill the nails before he went to the center to Hellfire? If you kill the nails RIGHT before he Hellfires, they may still be counted as part of his Hellfire because they didn't completely register as dead/gone. As others have said, sentinel is a very helpful ability. Be sure to use it IMMEDIATELY when you see him jump to go to the center. If you use it as he's using his ability, it may be too late.

The "glitch" is that the Primals were adjusted to guarantee the use their two hour.

Use the Garuda exploit as a clear example. People would kill Garuda before she could get her two hour off so they changed the mechanics so that after a certain phase of the fight, if you drop their HP too much they will instantly use their two hour. The same is true with Ifrit, if you keep damaging him while the nails the up, he will jump early and use his two hour without a casting time.

Said before that he didnt jump, just teleported to the middle IMMEDIATELY AFTER the last nail was hammered down, then did a hellfire for enough damage to 1 shot most of the people there. If it had been us doing too much damage to him, the hellfire would have killed everyone for max damage, and nails wouldn't have been brought down. The head of the dev team has even said it himself: the fights are not working as intended, and will be removed/replaced by ones that do work as intended in 2.0.