EndWalker's Deep Dungeon

The new Deep Dungeon takes place in the Binding Coil of Bahamut with the Allagans.
Personally disappointed it wasn't in space like on the Moon or in Ultima Thule or even Elpis. Of all the places we're going back to our roots of Allagans. What is everyone's thoughts?

I don't think it's the Binding Coil, but the actual original Eureka that's been rumoured to be located under the Crystal Tower all this time.

It's what inspired Krile to name the island Eureka, it's where the dungeon was in FF3, and it's been a thing that comes up in theories about future locations for a long time.

big F wish we'd get something more aesthetically pleasing

Ehh, yeah I wouldve preffered something more visually interesting but I dont mind them revisiting old stuff and ideas in ARR zones.

Especially how theyre adding new diving spots for spearfishing in ARR zones like Upper La Noscea.

Yeah more expanding these old areas please thank you!

As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw for me when it comes to the state of Endwalker content. All I wanted was a decent deep dungeon after going so long with hardly a reason to log into this game regularly.

And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense. Well done SE. Really subverted my expectations in the worst way possible at every turn, destroying my confidence in the game bit by bit with each patch.

Merry Christmas indee-oh wait silly me the patch doesn’t come out until January. And this, not until some months later. My patience is well and truly exhausted by now, now that it’s clear Endwalker can’t make a right turn at best or is deliberately designed to spite me at worst.

And so it ends in unceremonious silence.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw for me when it comes to the state of Endwalker content. All I wanted was a decent deep dungeon after going so long with hardly a reason to log into this game regularly.

And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense. Well done SE. Really subverted my expectations in the worst way possible at every turn, destroying my confidence in the game bit by bit with each patch.

Merry Christmas indee-oh wait silly me the patch doesn’t come out until January. And this, not until some months later. My patience is well and truly exhausted by now, now that it’s clear Endwalker can’t make a right turn at best or is deliberately designed to spite me at worst.

And so it ends in unceremonious silence.

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Oh no.....




Anyway

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense.

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Sorry, am I understanding you correctly in that you are automatically writing off the deep dungeon as 'bad content' because the lore of why it exists is Allagan-based? You don't want to play this portion of the game because of the lore explanation for why it exists?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw for me when it comes to the state of Endwalker content. All I wanted was a decent deep dungeon after going so long with hardly a reason to log into this game regularly.

And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense. Well done SE. Really subverted my expectations in the worst way possible at every turn, destroying my confidence in the game bit by bit with each patch.

Merry Christmas indee-oh wait silly me the patch doesn’t come out until January. And this, not until some months later. My patience is well and truly exhausted by now, now that it’s clear Endwalker can’t make a right turn at best or is deliberately designed to spite me at worst.

And so it ends in unceremonious silence.

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A shame to see you go, Aveyond, your posts were always fun and a beacon of sanity on the Forum. Anyway, I hope you find a better game to play, best of luck!

It does feel a little...odd that they're going with another deep dungeon that has ties to the Allagans after Heaven-on-High touched on them as well.

Curious as to if/how it factors into the current scheme of things since I would've expected the original Eureka to come into focus during ShB while the Crystal Tower was fresher in our minds.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw for me when it comes to the state of Endwalker content. All I wanted was a decent deep dungeon after going so long with hardly a reason to log into this game regularly.

And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense. Well done SE. Really subverted my expectations in the worst way possible at every turn, destroying my confidence in the game bit by bit with each patch.

Merry Christmas indee-oh wait silly me the patch doesn’t come out until January. And this, not until some months later. My patience is well and truly exhausted by now, now that it’s clear Endwalker can’t make a right turn at best or is deliberately designed to spite me at worst.

And so it ends in unceremonious silence.

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Okay. Bye.

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As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw for me when it comes to the state of Endwalker content. All I wanted was a decent deep dungeon after going so long with hardly a reason to log into this game regularly.

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You havent seen it, you havent played it, it isnt even in the game yet, I find it ludicrous that you can even say this on content that hasnt even been released

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And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense

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Nonsense? Allagan lore is a core component of the game starting in ARR. Amon ring a bell? Xande?

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. Well done SE. Really subverted my expectations in the worst way possible at every turn, destroying my confidence in the game bit by bit with each patch.

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Hang on, Ill find a suitable funeral march for you. Will you prefer a baroque or classical composer? Or would Flowers of the Forest suffice?

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Merry Christmas indee-oh wait silly me the patch doesn’t come out until January.

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As expected. This didnt surprise me in the least.

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And this, not until some months later. My patience is well and truly exhausted by now, now that it’s clear Endwalker can’t make a right turn at best or is deliberately designed to spite me at worst. And so it ends in unceremonious silence.

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To quote Alisae

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“It’s easy for learned elites to criticize earnest efforts and assert their moral superiority. All without offering alternatives.”

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Not excited with the allagan visuals, don't get me wrong i don't dislike them but it does get tiresome, was hoping something different but oh well.
It is still exciting what new things we get in this DD. While i didn't much like HoH, i did love the Magicite addition to it for example!

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Originally Posted by Aurida

Sorry, am I understanding you correctly in that you are automatically writing off the deep dungeon as 'bad content' because the lore of why it exists is Allagan-based? You don't want to play this portion of the game because of the lore explanation for why it exists?

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Have you seen their other threads? They complained about Zero the day we met her. This complaint is right in line. Even some of the content he's complained about is getting updates to them like the devs said they would. Though the new deep dungeon is just one of a few things we're getting in this patch he won't like and I'm shocked he hasn't made a thread complaining about the crafting tribe yet just because it deals with the Loloprits which he loathes. I guess he could also be angry that one of his assumptions is wrong. As he was one of the few who didn't think we'd touch back in on Garlemald in post 6.0 stuff even though the Twins going there was a dangling thread. Course he probably hates that just due to not having a long enough time away from characters he loathes.

On topic I don't know how I feel about it having yet another connection to Allag. As it's what we ended up having with Heaven on High. I will be interested in seeing how much of the original scrapped Eureka idea we will be getting and who we will be dealing with. As the Crystal Tower's basement was supposed to be what Nero's wrist bobble was to be picking up on. I wonder how many floors it will have and if anything like the animal helpers will be returning or not. As I remember them being hit or miss since they didn't seem to give you much of a boost.

Seeing as one of Endwalkers major antagonists was

Amon

, this isnt a surprise. The connection to this deep dungeon, Crystal Tower, the Aetherochemical Facility as well as most of Shadowbringers being centred around the Tower as well, it makes perfect sense.

We are finally getting the "bigger picture" on who they are / were, and how the pieces fit together.

Looks like fun.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw for me when it comes to the state of Endwalker content. All I wanted was a decent deep dungeon after going so long with hardly a reason to log into this game regularly.

And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense. Well done SE. Really subverted my expectations in the worst way possible at every turn, destroying my confidence in the game bit by bit with each patch.

Merry Christmas indee-oh wait silly me the patch doesn’t come out until January. And this, not until some months later. My patience is well and truly exhausted by now, now that it’s clear Endwalker can’t make a right turn at best or is deliberately designed to spite me at worst.

And so it ends in unceremonious silence.

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It isn't even out yet lol
i'm not for defending everything square does but you haven't even tried the deep dungeon yet and you say its bad?

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Have you seen their other threads? They complained about Zero the day we met her. This complaint is right in line. Even some of the content he's complained about is getting updates to them like the devs said they would. Though the new deep dungeon is just one of a few things we're getting in this patch he won't like and I'm shocked he hasn't made a thread complaining about the crafting tribe yet just because it deals with the Loloprits which he loathes. I guess he could also be angry that one of his assumptions is wrong. As he was one of the few who didn't think we'd touch back in on Garlemald in post 6.0 stuff even though the Twins going there was a dangling thread. Course he probably hates that just due to not having a long enough time away from characters he loathes.

On topic I don't know how I feel about it having yet another connection to Allag. As it's what we ended up having with Heaven on High. I will be interested in seeing how much of the original scrapped Eureka idea we will be getting and who we will be dealing with. As the Crystal Tower's basement was supposed to be what Nero's wrist bobble was to be picking up on. I wonder how many floors it will have and if anything like the animal helpers will be returning or not. As I remember them being hit or miss since they didn't seem to give you much of a boost.

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I feel theyre expanding more on the HnH hook ending with Selina and Desch with Eureka.

I hope we actually do see more visual cues based off of FFIII Eurekan the further you go down

Coils has a great aesthetic and Spiral is one of the best raid soundtracks in the entire game. Don't see what's wrong with the game embracing a core theme throughout the entire series and using the Allagans for a Deep Dungeon. I get having problems with the game, I certain do when it comes to job design and healers but it's a bit comical when everything becomes a reason to complain. I'm looking forward to playing it.

i never liked the allagans irs not my type of fantasy, not at all. i really hoped it would end with the story-arc in 6.0, but no here we go again. im tired of it

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I feel theyre expanding more on the HnH hook ending with Selina and Desch with Eureka.

I hope we actually do see more visual cues based off of FFIII Eurekan the further you go down

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Big yes to both of those. The HoH ending was too "fragment of something bigger" for them to not return to it, and I would love to see them take on the original Eureka's aesthetic.

Allagan has always been one of my least favourite visual styles in the game. Too busy and too many clashing colours.

Great, I love the Allagan aesthetic. I had really hoped we'd get more on them now that the hydaelyn arc is over.



Coil is still my favorite raid series.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Have you seen their other threads? They complained about Zero the day we met her. This complaint is right in line.

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I probably have, but 'forum user decries the death of the game for making content that isn't tailor-made for them in particular in all of content, difficulty and aesthetic' isn't especially memorable or noteworthy so I'm always a bit surprised when anyone actually recognizes a name on here.

It is a bit weird they're returning to it instead of doing something from another Endwalker culture, but with the original 90 maps being a Loporrit creation and the new ones being Elpis-based in addition to the raid tier taking place there i don't especially blame them for going back to a pre-existing plot hook.

If one thing IS weird about it, it's that it only seems to require completion of palace of the dead to floor 50, meaning that you don't even need to beat heaven on high's 30 story to find out that that had something to do with the Allagans as well.

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Originally Posted by Aurida

If one thing IS weird about it, it's that it only seems to require completion of palace of the dead to floor 50, meaning that you don't even need to beat heaven on high's 30 story to find out that that had something to do with the Allagans as well.

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True, though perhaps it's going to be more along the lines that HoH and EO (I suppose we'll call it) are two pieces of the one story puzzle rather than needing to be done in sequence. Or maybe it just seemed too much to expect people to clear both previous dungeons to get access to the third.

Whatever content they ever planned to expand on HoH's ending, it was probably unlikely to set it as a prerequisite.

Ohhh nooo get your ancient high tech civilization out of my high fantasy!!! *whines* Ugh... I hope we have an expansion that visits a high tech world just to piss yall off, lol...

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If one thing IS weird about it, it's that it only seems to require completion of palace of the dead to floor 50, meaning that you don't even need to beat heaven on high's 30 story to find out that that had something to do with the Allagans as well.

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PotD - level 50 - unlocks HoH - new DD.

My guess is that you can or should do them in sequence.

Hoping for more Binding Coils music for the deep dungeon, some of the best music in the game.

I'm not bothered by the chosen aesthetic I just hope they mix it up a bit mechanically and it isn't just the same but with a few new poms.

Thank the twelve it's got nothing to do with Bunnies.

I don't particularly care what it looks like. PotD is ugly. HoH is ugly. This will be ugly too. Procedurally generated envirnoments are always garbage.

What I do hope, is that the lesson was finally learned and they've chopped another half of worthless filler floors off. Just 50 floors. Equivalent in difficulty to 150-200 PotD.

And have the baby story mode for the casuls if need be.

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

big F wish we'd get something more aesthetically pleasing

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If it s anything like potd or HoH don t worry the visual thematic will evolve the lower you go.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

It isn't even out yet lol
i'm not for defending everything square does but you haven't even tried the deep dungeon yet and you say its bad?

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The insolence! Addressing the true Authority on Quality in such a manner. :rolleyes:

For real though... dude doesn't play the game... he's just rotating characters from his parent's account. :p Garbage takes on this forum are his endgame.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

As far as I’m concerned this was the last straw for me when it comes to the state of Endwalker content. All I wanted was a decent deep dungeon after going so long with hardly a reason to log into this game regularly.

And instead we’re getting more Allagan nonsense. Well done SE. Really subverted my expectations in the worst way possible at every turn, destroying my confidence in the game bit by bit with each patch.

Merry Christmas indee-oh wait silly me the patch doesn’t come out until January. And this, not until some months later. My patience is well and truly exhausted by now, now that it’s clear Endwalker can’t make a right turn at best or is deliberately designed to spite me at worst.

And so it ends in unceremonious silence.

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See you when it drops.

while i welcome a new DD, i hope its scaled to the number of players this time and/or has a timer buff to 90m. trying to find people to do later floors is a right pain. Doing potd is crippling for some jobs now with the 60 and below kits so empty

plus its harder anyway these days with CC all but extinct

try doing it solo as a healer yoshida and you will see why healers need more dps buttons


personally, I hoped for a different deep dungeon than allag.

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

while i welcome a new DD, i hope its scaled to the number of players this time and/or has a timer buff to 90m. trying to find people to do later floors is a right pain. Doing potd is crippling for some jobs now with the 60 and below kits so empty

plus its harder anyway these days with CC all but extinct

try doing it solo as a healer yoshida and you will see why healers need more dps buttons


personally, I hoped for a different deep dungeon than allag.

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the deep dungeon won't have scaling difficulty with party size, same as potd and hoh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...1_19-38-03.jpg

increasing the duty timer is a possibility

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

while i welcome a new DD, i hope its scaled to the number of players this time and/or has a timer buff to 90m. trying to find people to do later floors is a right pain. Doing potd is crippling for some jobs now with the 60 and below kits so empty

plus its harder anyway these days with CC all but extinct

try doing it solo as a healer yoshida and you will see why healers need more dps buttons


personally, I hoped for a different deep dungeon than allag.

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Every job has been through there solo.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Every job has been through there solo.

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i know. its possible but that doesn't mean its good. Some jobs are basically praying to rng to get past 180 boss in potd like ast

Nice. I love Allagan lore. If it's named Eureka, the Students of Baldesion will most likely be involved too. I hope G'raha is involved in this as well to piss off at the G'raha haters.

I don't hate Allagan stuff I'm just tired from it. Of course it could be seen as grumbling about finding more things tied to any nation that has lasted as long and was as wide spread as they were. It just felt as the game was moving away from them.

@Kazemon with or without that strange backpack he's carrying in the screenshot form the 24man?

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Originally Posted by SannaR

I don't hate Allagan stuff I'm just tired from it. Of course it could be seen as grumbling about finding more things tied to any nation that has lasted as long and was as wide spread as they were. It just felt as the game was moving away from them.

@Kazemon with or without that strange backpack he's carrying in the screenshot form the 24man?

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With, of course! What it looks like though is something the Gleaners wear from Sharlayan. Makes me curious if they will get involved somehow too.

Hold up, I thought due to the name it was some weird portal to an unexplored part of Eureka that's linked to the Crystal Tower due to magic.

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Originally Posted by Disappoint

Hold up, I thought due to the name it was some weird portal to an unexplored part of Eureka that's linked to the Crystal Tower due to magic.

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Quote from Eureka story:

"Hmm... It occurs to me that no one bothered to tell you the name of the island we mean to explore. Am I correct? It's a bit grandiose and melodramatic, but we've tentatively named it for a place from Allagan legend. A forbidden land where fearsome weapons were hidden away for safekeeping... We call it...Eureka." - Krile Mayer Baldesion

So it seems like this is linked to the "original" Eureka.