What sort of character would you like to see added to the WoL’s party?

Thinking back on the myriad characters that have accompanied us at some point on our journey, I can’t help shaking the idea that most of them are of the same mold. Level-headed, measured, righteous, logic. Basically, they're all lawful good. They all have small quirks, but you wouldn’t be able to call those "true personality traits".

Off the top of my head, the only ones that managed to pop their heads outside that mold are Gosetsu with his immense charisma, Moenbryda with her jolly assertiveness and Zero with her apathetic personality.

My biggest wish for the MSQ is for a chaotic-good character to be added to our WoL’s party. Someone who doesn’t think like the logic-bound Scions and often leans towards cutting through tedious diplomatic red-tape. Bellicose, larger than life, morally ambiguous and with a tendency to mess with people. Someone to spice up our group’s dynamic which feels incredibly stale to me at the moment. It would definitely open up tons of opportunities for spontaneous or funny situations and banter. Sadu is a great example of the sort of character I’m talking about. Bonus if they could be a different race than Elezen, Miqo'te, Hyur or Lalafell.

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Originally Posted by Petite

Thinking back on the myriad characters that have accompanied us at some point on our journey, I can’t help shaking the idea that most of them are of the same mold. Level-headed, measured, righteous, logic. Basically, they're all lawful good. They all have small quirks, but you wouldn’t be able to call those "true personality traits".

Off the top of my head, the only ones that managed to pop their heads outside that mold are Gosetsu with his immense charisma, Moenbryda with her jolly assertiveness and Zero with her apathetic personality.

My biggest wish for the MSQ is for a chaotic-good character to be added to our WoL’s party. Someone who doesn’t think like the logic-bound Scions and often leans towards cutting through tedious diplomatic red-tape. Bellicose, larger than life, battle hungry, mischievous and with a tendency to mess with people. Someone to spice up our group’s dynamic which feels incredibly stale to me at the moment. It would definitely open up tons of opportunities for spontaneous or funny situations and banter. Sadu is a great example of the sort of character I’m talking about. Bonus if they could be a different race than Elezen, Hyur or Lalafell.

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- People who bring a more chaotic energy to the party than just "quirky" or "funnily violent"
- A person with actual trauma that we can help overcome without reducing them to flanderization. There's bound to be someone in the places invaded by Garleans.
- Alternative, if that's too spicy, someone whose past actions have led to them being disgraced and them working hard to either fix it or prove themselves
- Someone like Zero who brings in a different outlook on life and the way we treat certain conducts for granted
- Someone with vices. Doesn't even need to be something negative like drugs or alcohol, let's keep this kid-friendly. Overcompensation and indulgence are two different ways to express this.
- An otherwise evil character that joins us and is slowly reformed, or at least works toward a benevolent goal.

People can still be good and be morally just. They don't always need to be the obvious goodie two-shoes. Moral ambiguity is inexistant in the Scions, and their flaws have long since been ironed out or excused. Take my third one. That's just Alphinaud in Heavensward. But from the latter half of Stormblood onward, his morality and methods have long been proven to have matured. Or take Urianger. His moment with the Loporrits really only served to show that his quirkiness and ability to understand alien points of view is a boon rather than having us hear it. Past that, he doesn't exactly have much else to go with.

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Someone who is more morally ambiguous than the scions.
Maybe a greedy mercenary ? A character that is mostly acting in his own interest but have common goals with our group.

Ideally it would be someone who would create conflict in the group because of their divergence of opinion/ideals.

I want the character to have to grow but start flawed. Don't make them like the scions that are good from the start.

Gosetsu and Fordola.

While Gosetsu wants to eventually come back to serve at Hien's side, I have a feeling Hien' gonna want Gosetsu to live his life freely. Gosetsu dedicated already one lifetime as a Samurai to him, so naybe he'll have Gosetsu tried to dedicate his life to something now. Him joining the WoL on their adventures would be a nice way for Gosetsu to start something new with himself and find a new purpose.

And with Fordola, since Arenvald is out of the picture for the forseeable future as an active former Scion, and with how the Endwalker healer quest turned out, I think its safe to assume Fordola will eventually be allowed to travel freely outside of Ala Mhigo and possibly find something worthy to dedicate her life to other than help rebuild Ala Mhigo. Raubahn and Arenvald would probably want her ti find something new to do with her life since they amd Lyse seem to have everything handled in Ala Mhigo. So it would be the perfect opportunity for her to travel with us and find new purpose in helping others as both an adventurer and new Scion.

Plus, as of right now. Gosetsu is a healer, while Fordola is a tank. G'raha had been filling both roles, plus dps as an All Rounder because of the Scion's lack in an extra tank and healer. So this would open up an opportunity to fill in both roles with two already, story wise established and well known characters that aren't Sharlayn, like Estinien.

Besides Zero, which is the obvious pick and I'd like to have?

Gaius and Allie.

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Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

Someone who is more morally ambiguous than the scions.
Maybe a greedy mercenary ? A character that is mostly acting in his own interest but have common goals with our group.

Ideally it would be someone who would create conflict in the group because of their divergence of opinion/ideals.

I want the character to have to grow but start flawed. Don't make them like the scions that are good from the start.

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Your description reminds me of early Estinien who, instead of being driven by money, was driven by vengeance. Now he's just a goody-two-shoes with the quirk of being bad with money. Makes me sad.

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Originally Posted by Petite

Your description reminds me of early Estinien who, instead of being driven by money, was driven by vengeance. Now he's just a goody-two-shoes with the quirk of being bad with money. Makes me sad.

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Yeah the way they took his character in Endwalker and the post patches is really disappointing. It's like he got infected by the same virus Alphinaud has and now he's another idealogue.

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Originally Posted by Petite

Your description reminds me of early Estinien who, instead of being driven by money, was driven by vengeance. Now he's just a goody-two-shoes with the quirk of being bad with money. Makes me sad.

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Yeah i can see that. He's also the "dragon" guy that only have something to say if a dragon is involved.
He needs a new goal ASAP before it gets boring.

My description was inspired by Estinien dynamics with Ysayle and Alphinaud in Heavensward. And by the hostility between Emet and the group (mostly Thancred).
We need more of this.

FFXII had a group with people that felt varied both in origins and opinions, i want more of that instead of people who always agree together.

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Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

FFXII had a group with people that felt varied both in origins and opinions, i want more of that instead of people who always agree together.

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I really want to see this again in this game as well. It's insane how some people defended the state of the Scions by saying stuff like "disagreements and arguments would be distracting from the main plot" and god knows whatever else so they could keep their comfort characters on screen regardless of how little value they were contributing.

I'll gladly take a party that butts heads with each other anyday over one that doesn't.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Besides Zero, which is the obvious pick and I'd like to have?

Gaius and Allie.

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YES. Now THAT would be interesting to see!

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

some people defended the state of the Scions by saying stuff like "disagreements and arguments would be distracting from the main plot"

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...isn't that called "plot" tho?

Someone who isn't pale-skinned and fair-haired. Preferably also not an elezen or miqo'te, we're full up on those.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Someone who isn't pale-skinned and fair-haired. Preferably also not an elezen or miqo'te, we're full up on those.

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What kind of person would you want them to be though?

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

...isn't that called "plot" tho?

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You'd be surprised to see how some FFXIV players are willing to eschew what are otherwise considered staple elements of storytelling such as character growth and conflict in the name of protecting their imaginary relationships with the game's characters.

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Originally Posted by Petite

Thinking back on the myriad characters that have accompanied us at some point on our journey, I can’t help shaking the idea that most of them are of the same mold. Level-headed, measured, righteous, logic. Basically, they're all lawful good. They all have small quirks, but you wouldn’t be able to call those "true personality traits".

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What do you mean? On the contrary, I would say the current roster of Scions has all the major anime types covered. The regular Joe Schmoe's we meet along the line are definitely all cut from the same cloth, which is a big reason why when one them says, "Hey, remember me?" You're like, "Nopeeee." The personality traits of the Scions helps to differentiate from ordinary NPCs.

That doesn't mean we couldn't use a fresh and new personality among them though. Someone like Sade is better in small doses, and we also already know who she is, and what she's about. A fresh personality will require a fresh face.

A Roegadyn. Make Hoary Boulder a main character, I will trade any of the cats or even the male twin for him!

Big mean butch roegadyn pirate who is the antithesis to Merlwyb, routinely breeches Limsan regulations, is obviously a crime lord, and isn't hesitant to use violence to get answers, but she gets the job done.

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Originally Posted by Petite

What kind of person would you want them to be though?

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Pickle Riiiiiiiick!

A beastman. A crackpot goblin tinkerer could be a lot of fun, especially if they get into heated arguments with Cid. Cid's mounting frustration as he spouts technobabble at a Goblin speaking as a Goblin does could test the limits of Science.

If not a goblin, then maybe a local beastman from wherever we go next. Basically don't limit the scions to playable races. We have an infinite potential cast.

Pretty much what everyone wants. except the character isn't necessarily attached to our/WoL-D's Hip.

new characters need to have their endgoals. They might just tag along cause our path leads them to their goal, or to keep an eye out for other reasons.

They can Split off and turn, or return and etc.

<at the very least, I feel most want the same thing. but the expression is taken I odd or opposing directions. at least the regulars here do.>

Hence why I thought of Fordola as some said, and gosetsu might be a new teacher as well, who knows.

One thing though, no way of knowing for sure what goes on after this current 13th Chapter.

Just like I said in the other thread that had asked for a Main Cast with new Races/FemHroth, and or Roes<which wasn't that long ago tbh, as threads go>

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I'll gladly take a party that butts heads with each other anyday over one that doesn't.

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Honestly what I like about ESO's rotating cast every major update/area release. You see some people again, sure, but not for a while - and not everyone always gets along or has the same motivations, personality, or temperaments. Makes groups feel dynamic and alive.

WoW has a bit of it too, though you have less of a 'party' and more a bunch of important people that come in here and there while you do more groundwork solo. That said, despite its own stumbling with writing lately, it still manages to make its groups of characters not all feel like the exact same alignment and motivation with minor personality quirks. Throwback to Turalyon being more than willing to kill Illidan after he blew up that overgrown chandelier the guy worshipped. We need more of that in FFXIV. Character conflict is good; keeps things interesting.

On that note, I'd like a chaotic neutral/evil-leaning character focused on 'ends justify the means' type of thinking. They don't need to be treated like our friend or even someone we trust, but adding varied elements of motivation and background and personality really does wonders for not making a cast grow stale over time. Much as I love the Scions, they've changed very little after each of their 'personal arcs' was finished up. Give them time to retire and let us meet new people, or explore further some we already know but have rarely had a chance to interact with long term.

I want to see three things:

1) I want to see someone who can cause some character conflict and show that not everyone in the group has the same goals or desires. I was hoping Estinien would fill that role as Heavensward had that character conflict within the main cast (mainly between Ysayle and Estinien), but he's really just been along for the ride since he joined us. When the main cast agrees on every issue, the party feels less like a group of characters and more like a hivemind. I'm hoping we can get a character to break that feeling in 7.0.

2) I'd like to see more serious characters that evolve over the course of time, and I don't mean serious characters whose personality is played as a joke. I'm looking for more characters like Ysayle or Estinein in Heavensward (specifically Heavensward Estinein and not the current version) where they don't have to be the butt of a joke in every other scene and can actually have a proper character arc where they grow.

3) I want more characters who don't fill the "smart guy/girl" spot in the group. Alphinaud, Urianger, Ysh'tola, and Graha all fill that role and sometimes it can feel like they're very similar characters with a different coat of paint who get cycled around depending on the subject matter we're dealing with. It'd be nice to have characters that fill other roles instead of having half the party be very similar in a lot of ways.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I'll gladly take a party that butts heads with each other anyday over one that doesn't.

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Yes please! This would be wonderful! The current party feels like some kind of blob or hivemind that just shuffles around to wherever the collective consciousness needs to go. Having some character conflict like we had in Heavensward would be a huge step in the right direction!

A pair of characters who's dialogue is similar to Statler and Waldorf from the Muppet Show... >.>

A roe who isn't introduced to bite the dust.

I'm not asking for much, just a scantily clad roe himbo who will provide fanservice to people who aren't into the catgirl.
It would be even better if he also had his own nude scene to even out the count, since the catgirl had 2, but Thancred only had 1. We need another male scene to correct this blatant sexism.

A non-mage, a do-er rather than an intellectual, someone who can step into Thancred's shoes in a way. I always like Ogul Khatayin for this, she's funny, got a personality and is a swordswoman, we have enough super mages.

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Originally Posted by DontReadThis

I'm not asking for much, just a scantily clad roe himbo who will provide fanservice to people who aren't into the catgirl.
It would be even better if he also had his own nude scene to even out the count, since the catgirl had 2, but Thancred only had 1. We need another male scene to correct this blatant sexism.

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Ehmm noooooooo. I don't want to see a naked ugly Roegadyn, same for Hrothgar, Au Ra, Lalafell and those damn Miqo'te.

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Originally Posted by Aneshda

Ehmm noooooooo. I don't want to see a naked ugly Roegadyn, same for Hrothgar, Au Ra, Lalafell and those damn Miqo'te.

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Don't flatter yourself. At least the Roes have buns. What do Elezen have to offer, their ears?

Also, why are we even trying to see anyone naked? No one gets naked! Everyone is safe from hypothermia that way! >:|

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Don't flatter yourself. At least the Roes have buns. What do Elezen have to offer, their ears?

Also, why are we even trying to see anyone naked? No one gets naked! Everyone is safe from hypothermia that way! >:|

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According to JRPG rules...your armor class goes up with the less you wear. We all need to get naked for maximum protection.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

According to JRPG rules...your armor class goes up with the less you wear. We all need to get naked for maximum protection.

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So we're basically just asking for them to introduce Godbert as a Trust?

You guys know one single look from him will make the mobs evapourate, yes? He's too broken.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

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So we're basically just asking for them to introduce Godbert as a Trust?

You guys know one single look from him will make the mobs evapourate, yes? He's too broken.

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You're right...we can't be trusted with such power.

Godbert cannot enter combat anymore. One Sundering was enough.

Anyone not lukewarm would be an improvement.
Actually, to hell with it. Just put Magnai in the group.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Anyone not lukewarm would be an improvement.
Actually, to hell with it. Just put Magnai in the group.

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Honestly I would love to see this dude get shot down by every single woman he came across.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Honestly I would love to see this dude get shot down by every single woman he came across.

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Character development: he's into one of the Buduga guys. He's just trying too hard to prove something.

Feo Ul. We're their lovely little branch, so they should be more involved in the story. Give em a hyur sized form and let em join us, come on Papa Yoshi!!!

I actually like that we have level-headed characters that can agree and work towards a goal.
Instead of needlessly butting heads for no good reason other then to just artificially create tension and make things drag on...

But Im not blind that the group could use 1 or 2 characters that are different. We lack a Roe, and I think it would be neat to have a Token Beastman/a Hrothgar Teammate. Viera or an Au-Ra...eh...if the Devs make a good character Im all for it, not my 1st choices tho.
I might be alone, but Id like a character like Yda / Lyse back, where they (with Estinian at this point) arnt Scholars, and their contribution is just raw power, and maybe be abit ditzy but have their own ways of solving a problem. Not sure how well it would Mesh with the party at this point.
A Harty fun loving guy like Gosetsu would be enjoyable to.
And I think the Party really needs a Ranger type character. I think a Physical Ranged Job is the only base they dont have covered

Why not a new one, someone we don't know yet? Someone we will meet in the future? Magnai is so dumb, he will never become a Scion.

Someone from different social classes (or equivalent points of origin should we deign to imagine having individuals from one of the more fantastical races of people join the main cast) compared to the rest of the established cast, XI was much better at this where characters with backgrounds like Hilda or the NPCs from the Rogues guild were made expansion companions and had different perspectives and while still well meaning perspectives they were perspectives that challenged the overarching views held by the rest of the game world so the notion of trying to make the world a better place felt more resonant at times in XI vs certain times where you seemingly feel like you're just going through the motions in XIV.

As far as physical features and traits; male Roe and Hrothgar preferably (personally speaking) but if it's gonna be player races that are already repped by established cast members please don't make them pale skinned and white hair or from racial clans already repped by the cast (ie. if it has to be a Elezen make them a Duskwight at the very least). It's gotten distracting how monolithic the Scions come off. And also have different social class based accents, all the Scions sound posh/learned aside from Estinien and while that reflects well from a consistency standpoint (as they all have ties to Sharlayan and so while not all were born into a learned class they did grow up in that environment so it makes sense they sound as such) the cast is really dying for any diversity in how their speech sounds and I know that might sound bizarre but it can go a long way to sell the fact that this is a group made up of different individuals coming together to address whatever it may be that's in front of them.

I already got what I wanted with Zero assuming she sticks around and doesn't devolve into same personality as the rest of the cast.