1.5+ million damage, 8-0 KD, still lost, CC is bad

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I'm obviously far above the skill level of everyone in this match with the numbers to prove it, so this should be an auto-win for me with no chance of loss, yet I still lost because my team is that bad. That's bad game design. One player should be able to solo carry matches if one player can cause a loss (like a team mate who DCs and thus 4vs5). Anything else is bad game design.

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This is mostly satire, but it is really annoying how one person can cause a loss yet one person can't force a win.

Yeah, this happened a lot in season two. Every time it did to me regardless which side of it I was on it amounted to people chasing kills while one person casually strolled to the end with the crystal. This is another problem I lay at the feet of lack of ability to properly communicate.

Not sure if this is a ranked game or a casual game.

It's not talked about much, but I very strongly believe that there is a casual MMR to make sure good players don't end up on the same side, but the good players get the worst players to try to balance things out.

I've played thousands of casual games and if there is another good player that I know (like Crystal rank), we could play 100 games in a row, the game will never put them on my side. However, if there is a low damage BRD not pressing recuperate, it will always put them on my side. I think the idea is to avoid stomps, but that's not how it works.

No matter how good you are, you can't make up for several bad teammates. I probably end up losing more than I win, no matter how well I play. I've had too many games where if you sort by damage it's Blue (me), Red x 5, Blue x 4. Way too many for it to be random. I believe that in ranked the matchmaking is more randomized and in the long run if you outperform other players, you should always be able to climb. In casual, a good player can't make up for several bad ones, especially a VERY bad one.

It is beyond frustrating.

It was a Crystal ranked match on Aether.

It's true; all MMR based team games force you into a 50/50 win rate which means the good outlier players will always have worse team mates than the enemies because if it was actually fair teams, your win rate would climb infinitely. Rather than having players with 90%+ win rates because they're good and thrive on fair matches, they're given impossible matches so their win states as close to 50% as possible. It's bad game design.

I notice you didn't show your time on the objective.

Push the crystal!

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Push the crystal!

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couldn't say it better if I tried :p

Can't push the crystal as MCH if my team sucks more than the enemy team despite me being better than both teams combined ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is the "I got gold damage" fallacy all over again. Unless you provide the following:

- jobs used in the match (you can blur / hide names, but do it in team colours)
- map played
- map duration (how much overtime?)
- actual ranks of each player (there could be a diamond for all we know)
- objective time stat

then there is simply too little info. Especially the "jobs played", because I know jack all which player in this match actually performs within expected stats.

Also without actually having seen the match, it matters little how much damage and kills you pumped and ended with 0 deaths. The kills could have happened where it didn't matter and didn't peel for players that needed it. Heavy / Bind / Stun could've been where it didn't save anything.

There are too many contributing factors here.

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Can't push the crystal as MCH if my team sucks more than the enemy team despite me being better than both teams combined ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Sounds like you need to work with your team better instead of just going for kills or standing on the crystal alone. Communicate. Group up. etc. etc.

If none of those things actually worked, then sometimes you just have to take the L.

I also want to second (third?) that you didn't show your objective time.

CC is fine. what do you expect in a game with random team mates and objectives? this types of games will only ever be "good" when its organized teams of 5v5, or if its 1v1. play for fun or dont play at all, pretty much goes for any game. i bet doing all that damage was fun

This was about 4 months ago but it's generally how Palaistra goes.

https://i.ibb.co/jWx3cTQ/palaistra.png

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This is the "I got gold damage" fallacy all over again. Unless you provide the following:

- jobs used in the match (you can blur / hide names, but do it in team colours)
- map played
- map duration (how much overtime?)
- actual ranks of each player (there could be a diamond for all we know)
- objective time stat

then there is simply too little info. Especially the "jobs played", because I know jack all which player in this match actually performs within expected stats.

Also without actually having seen the match, it matters little how much damage and kills you pumped and ended with 0 deaths. The kills could have happened where it didn't matter and didn't peel for players that needed it. Heavy / Bind / Stun could've been where it didn't save anything.

There are too many contributing factors here.

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the fact he was killing the enemy team and sending them back to spawn repeatedly is literally as helpful as standing on the point lol

Time on objective is probably the worst metric you can think of to evaluate someone's performance. Especially as a ranged player. And especially as a ranged player that can push buttons, like the OP seems to be.

The people claiming it to be this important probably rush in 1v5 on the objective, die in 5 seconds, stagger their whole team for another 15 seconds and then use the "Push the Crystal!" quick chat, thinking their teammates are the issue.

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the fact he was killing the enemy team and sending them back to spawn repeatedly is literally as helpful as standing on the point lol

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It provides no data which jobs he sent back to spawn, whether important Limit Breaks got denied in critical situations or not, if his kills actually created space / air for his team when it mattered or not, etc.

I also don't know if he did 1.5million in 5 minutes or +3-4min overtime without having the information at hand.

I don't deny the numbers being impressive, I just doubt the value until I know more.

There is a reason why we tend to ask for recordings of gameplay because scoreboard interpretation can go wrong really fast.

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It provides no data which jobs he sent back to spawn, whether important Limit Breaks got denied in critical situations or not, if his kills actually created space / air for his team when it mattered or not, etc.

I also don't know if he did 1.5million in 5 minutes or +3-4min overtime without having the information at hand.

I don't deny the numbers being impressive, I just doubt the value until I know more.

There is a reason why we tend to ask for recordings of gameplay because scoreboard interpretation can go wrong really fast.

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sure but you cannot deny that he was literally more helpful then his entire team was XD

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sure but you cannot deny that he was literally more helpful then his entire team was XD

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Considering he didn't die and they still won? That means he wasn't on point, when they lost.

We don't have the explanation for that.

Ohh, he is one of these player who chases after a good KDA instead of winning the game.
I like having these kind of player's in the enemy team because I'm able to force 5vs4 because they probably focus me as a healer for a "easy kill" and once my LB is ready I turn around and help my Team with the objective.

Or having multiple people like it in the enemy team.
They destroy my team and chase them all over the map while I sit on the crystal and just win the game with 0/0/0 stats.

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Considering he didn't die and they still won? That means he wasn't on point, when they lost.

We don't have the explanation for that.

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I was on the point when it was appropriate to be on the point, and got off when it wasn't any more. As a MCH, standing on the point against 5 enemies when you're the only left alive because your team is failing despite you not failing is not how you win Crystal ranked matches. Getting my self killed for no good reason by buying an extra 5 seconds with Guard to keep the point from moving is not worth the 10+ seconds of my respawn timer plus the time it takes to get back to the point once I do respawn, and the time missed out on my LB not charging during death. I swear some people can't critically think which is exactly why I go 1.5 million damage against you. It's not my fault my team is more bad than your team is.

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Ohh, he is one of these player who chases after a good KDA instead of winning the game.
I like having these kind of player's in the enemy team because I'm able to force 5vs4 because they probably focus me as a healer for a "easy kill" and once my LB is ready I turn around and help my Team with the objective.

Or having multiple people like it in the enemy team.
They destroy my team and chase them all over the map while I sit on the crystal and just win the game with 0/0/0 stats.

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Winning the game doesn't always mean camping the point, especially as a MCH. This match was a lot of 5vs5'ng on the point it self, so I got big value from Bio Blaster and Aether Mortar. It just didn't matter because my team didn't team fight as well as the enemy team despite me being the best team fighter. And funnily enough, the enemy WHM was the enemy team's worst player so I was able to kill her several times, as I needed to to stop her LB spam, AoE Protects and Cure 3s on the point which are huge value. Given my damage and KD, I didn't lack for killing anyone on their team, the problem is my team was so bad they didn't know how to capitalize on it or carry their own weight. You wouldn't be in Crystal rank with a "0/0/0 stats just standing on the point" strategy. You'd never make it past Plat at best.

My 0-5 35k damage done 96k damage taken RPR was the main culprit, here. What value did he give our team by rushing the point and dying instantly with no damage dealt, chain CC, or otherwise significant contribution to our victory? Give me a 1.5 million damage MCH that knows when it's appropriate to stand off the point and team fight any day.

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I was on the point when it was appropriate to be on the point, and got off when it wasn't any more. As a MCH, standing on the point against 5 enemies when you're the only left alive because your team is failing despite you not failing is not how you win Crystal ranked matches. Getting my self killed for no good reason by buying an extra 5 seconds with Guard to keep the point from moving is not worth the 10+ seconds of my respawn timer plus the time it takes to get back to the point once I do respawn, and the time missed out on my LB not charging during death. I swear some people can't critically think which is exactly why I go 1.5 million damage against you. It's not my fault my team is more bad than your team is.

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It is mandatory, when they reach the end, even if everyone else is dead.

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It was a Crystal ranked match on Aether.

It's true; all MMR based team games force you into a 50/50 win rate which means the good outlier players will always have worse team mates than the enemies because if it was actually fair teams, your win rate would climb infinitely. Rather than having players with 90%+ win rates because they're good and thrive on fair matches, they're given impossible matches so their win states as close to 50% as possible. It's bad game design.

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Well that explains why Im always pissed at my team. Youd think being on top would be fun but honestly it sucks

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Well that explains why Im always pissed at my team. Youd think being on top would be fun but honestly it sucks

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Its lonely at the top.

Love all the salty defenders, you did fine team let you down gg go next. Can't expect much more when who you get on your team is a literal dice roll.

The matchmaking really does just force you to go "it is what it is" because at the end of the day, you can't carry 4 people.

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Well that explains why Im always pissed at my team. Youd think being on top would be fun but honestly it sucks

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Exactly. "Elo" is a system designed for 1vs1 chess games, which is why it's terrible for team based games where individual skill has little to no weight in the outcome of the match. Essentially this makes nearly every match you play a horrible, annoying, grueling slog of a win or a complete stomp that you could do nothing to stop. Your wins take immense amount of effort to achieve, your losses are just losses that you have no control over no matter how much effort you put in. It's not fun. 50% win rate systems are not enjoyable. Who wants to play a game that you spend half your time losing no matter how good you are or deserve the win?

"But the enemy team has the same chances of getting the bads so you get stomps too, sometimes!" It does happen when you're on the backend of the "tilt" when your win rate starts dropping closer to 50% away from your usual 55%+, but when you're approaching the 60% or higher win rates, it becomes statistically impossible when the queues are populated enough.

"The only common factor in each match is you! That's why you lose!" With this logic, yeah I'm better than most because my win rate and numbers prove it, but the same logic applies to the common factor being I always have worse team mates than the enemy team to force my win rate away from 90%+ where it belongs back down as close to 50% as possible. The game wouldn't need to put bad team mates on my team if I wasn't an extreme outlier in the system.