FFXIV and Cell Shading

Cell shading could be a perfect option to choose from for FFXIV for those players who cannot play the game on higher graphic but would still like a great orientation of the game.
By choosing a Cell Shading option you can lower GPU strain and CPU strain with a controlled number of Edge Detection.
The game can still look rich in a Cell Shaded environment there is absolutely almost no waste time just adding an option for cell shading from Camera's point of view in the graphic option FFXIV already uses the Edge Threshold it's most activated when a character is highlighted it receives the yellow highlight of edge aura.
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The Pros and Cons

The Pros -
With this the camera only renders what the user sees.

Less Strain on the rendering system overall performance.Using Cell Shading can also achieve a higher ambient of shading which can make the game look fantastic.
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The Cons -

It's an option but Several people may not like the Cell Shading because of its cartoon feel its really cartoon looking with colors.

The system still needs to stream those textures but I'm sure FFXIV has a kill order.

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That's pretty much it . I could give up names of other games but just look up Cell Shading games on Google you'll see some . I came up with the idea from one of the 2.0 Dragoon screenshot which really did looked like it could have been rendered in Cell shading an still looked awesome. If you don't know what Cell Shading is look it up befor disagree and remember it's just an option for low end if don't want to activate Cell Shading they don't need to.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

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They wouldn't have to rebuild any textures it's an option on the Camera I'm telling you this because I'm a 3d modeler an understand it myself.

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Originally Posted by Nemo5990

They wouldn't have to rebuild any textures it's an option on the Camera I'm telling you this because I'm a 3d modeler an understand it myself.

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I might be ignorant on the subject, but I didn't think Cell Shading == Back-face Culling.

As far as I know Back-face Culling is only used for edges in Cell-shaded models.

it's also kinda a known thing that cell shading is harder on processors than any other kind of "graphic effect"...

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Originally Posted by Nemo5990

They wouldn't have to rebuild any textures it's an option on the Camera I'm telling you this because I'm a 3d modeler an understand it myself.

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I am also a 3d modeler, and a professional graphic designer as well.

You cannot slap a canned toon shader effect on a game and expect it to look professional. And SE's flagship franchise has some of the highest graphics expectations in the industry. It would never get past QA - especially after learning their lesson over the fiasco that was the 1.0 release.

In order to do cel/toon shading properly, and up to FF standards, they would have to put in an immense amount of work .

The game already has a Pseudo cell shaded look to the character rendering.

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Originally Posted by Nemo5990

They wouldn't have to rebuild any textures it's an option on the Camera I'm telling you this because I'm a 3d modeler an understand it myself.

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Edge detection is done through shaders but that doesn't give you a Cell shaded look if you're using photo-realistic textures.

It also doesn't reduce the amount that is drawn, it will have not positive impact on performance at all.

As an example of the different texture required, look at the difference between these two videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_1TsXaLq9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDONdCo_bEU


That's not an effect you get just my changing the shader you're using.

So long as it'd be optional and has no effect on the rest of the game graphically/aesthetically without it, I'm okay with it - I don't like cell-shaded effects.

I'd love it if someone could find a way to do this, I remember a plugin for 11's windower that had this effect was awesome lolz :P

Sad that I've only been able to (sort of) replicated through ghetto/ameteurish video processing >.> eg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVBe2PBJZY&feature=plcp

I rather they try for the moving painting/ concept art than to have hard lines. And we're already so close to looking like our concept art already. so no worries here.

I do love cell shading, but I'm not sure it would be appropriate for this game.
We already know the new engine will be comparable for low to high end PC's. No real sense in spending more time on stylistic settings that where not in mind with the development. The only way they could pull it off would be with certain shaders that would actually be a larger draw on the system.

Still, points for creativity.

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Originally Posted by Guevara

I might be ignorant on the subject, but I didn't think Cell Shading == Back-face Culling.

As far as I know Back-face Culling is only used for edges in Cell-shaded models.

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It's what people know it by but it's obvious they materials could be switched from whatever they use to Toon

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

I am also a 3d modeler, and a professional graphic designer as well.

You cannot slap a canned toon shader effect on a game and expect it to look professional. And SE's flagship franchise has some of the highest graphics expectations in the industry. It would never get past QA - especially after learning their lesson over the fiasco that was the 1.0 release.

In order to do cel/toon shading properly, and up to FF standards, they would have to put in an immense amount of work .

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They wouldn't have to do much work a single person with maybe 1hour can do this as an addon option to the graphic tools. The game uses some toon shading already which is used for graphic effect added with contrasted textures.

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Originally Posted by Kafeen

Edge detection is done through shaders but that doesn't give you a Cell shaded look if you're using photo-realistic textures.

It also doesn't reduce the amount that is drawn, it will have not positive impact on performance at all.

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They use their own Graphic Engine shaders aren't a problem and if they are so professional they would have cell shading in their DevKit. FFXIV uses Materials for equipment an very low amount of images for multi-texuring ,They wouldn't have to create any new texture because it would be backward capable now if it were cell shaded texture trying to look photo realistic that would be different but its not.Performance wise it would clearly have a positive impact because the way the Cell Shades will react to reflections and light these models all use SubSurfScattering it would be a smooth look an feel which is why the quality would be to rich.

Leave the cell shading to the pros at Level 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Pd0q8w1yj_s

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Originally Posted by kro

Leave the cell shading to the pros at Level 5.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Pd0q8w1yj_s

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That's beautiful you should look up Eternal Sonata on the 360 it's very stunning

Selfish reasoning, but please don't. Cell shading gives me a headache and it's the reason I can't complete Skyward Sword even though goddamn I adore that game.

There's no evidence that adding cell shading would put less strain on the CPU and/or GPU. It would possibly lower the amount of video RAM used but that's about it.

Probably get FFXIV cell shading in the future I think, but not from SE. Be like in FFXI when the community just made a add on to make it cell shaded. Least thats what I think is going to happen. In FFXI alot of what I remember where when ppl wanted something they didnt cry to the dev. team cause they knew the dev. team wasn't going to listen to them so they just made there own add ons XD.

this game has its own look already its nice mix of effects so far.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

There's no evidence that adding cell shading would put less strain on the CPU and/or GPU. It would possibly lower the amount of video RAM used but that's about it.

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From statistics showing the CellShading/Edge Tracing was rendered faster then the Full Render sooo you tell me?
I havin't done a Monitor test though If someone is being processed faster it means its requiring less resources or else it would bottle neck or choke up slowing down the system .

http://i50.tinypic.com/2coobr4.png

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Originally Posted by indira

this game has its own look already its nice mix of effects so far.

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Your not understanding It's for for Low-End PC's . Yeah the game looks briliant on high an standard but when you start lowering the mipmap an texture filtering shutting off shadows the game doesn't look so good anymore. If we could enable full CellShading rather then just using a Full render it would be using Edge Tracing with Shadows .