We don't want instanced housing

Some of us already got a house and it would be unfair to remove the neighborhood aesthetic for those of us who enjoy it.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

Some of us already got a house and it would be unfair to remove the neighborhood aesthetic for those of us who enjoy it.

Thank you.

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I own a house in a neighbourhood and I want nothing more than for everyone to own a home, regardless if I lose my house or not. This system isn't worth it, and my neighbours may as well not exist.

Why would they need to get rid of existing houses to add instanced housing?

Devs biggest mistake was allowing individuals to own a home. The system should have stayed exclusive to FCs.

Speak for yourself?

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

Some of us already got a house and it would be unfair to remove the neighborhood aesthetic for those of us who enjoy it.

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It's not like Island Sanctuary removed ward housing is it?

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

Some of us already got a house and it would be unfair to remove the neighborhood aesthetic for those of us who enjoy it.

Thank you.

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Speak for yourself. Please do not presume to speak for everyone.

Instanced housing already exists with ward housing so you really don't need to worry on that front. What SE needs to do is improve the instanced housing. I've had my house for over 4 years now but I'd be more than happy to give it up if we got an instanced system on par with RIFT Dimensions functionality paired with the FFXIV art aethestic.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Speak for yourself. Please do not presume to speak for everyone.

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He pretty explicitly didn't speak for everyone, just "some of us."

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Instanced housing already exists with ward housing so you really don't need to worry on that front.

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I think that's accurate. Even if SE abandons development of the ward system in favor of a new system, their track record indicates that they'd probably leave the current ward system in place.

Like the OP, I prefer the neighborhood aesthetic of ward housing, even if I rarely see my neighbors ... if you grew up in many American suburbs, that's what you might be used to anyway.

My only objection to a new housing system is the usual one: I don't personally want it, so I'd rather SE spent their time and energy developing stuff I do want. But what I want is merely what I want: SE will do as they will, and please who they please, and as long as I'm still having fun, that's fine.

Very selfish opinion. I've been betting on houses for years now and have never owned a house. I've been betting on houses since this new system was introduced, and have yet to win one. Every plot has over 150 bids on it on my server.

I see tons of houses that are completely empty, not one piece of furniture is set. I have TONS of outdoor furniture that I have earned from events, and I can't use any of them. I know TONS of people who are just creating FC's for themselves to buy houses.

There needs to be something that changes to open up housing to other people.

People aren't selfish because they know how to play the game and win. If you've been "betting" for years, you do not know how to play and I strongly suggest you change before demanding the game change.

Noone ever said to get rid of current neighborhoods. I have a FC home + private home and would drop them in a heartbeat if they offered instanced housing.

Especially if they lured people away with a much larger item limit and REMOVED the unjust bordering criminal demolition timer.

To me neighborhoods are a waste of space, but for those who love them, they absolutely need to stay!

People are asking for an ADDITIONAL option...instanced
And yes, we need instanced, and we need it available to everyone and all characters.

I'm so exhausted of the "I got mine, so I don't care about you" arguments.

You won a house. That's great. Congratulations! I really mean it.

However, that doesn't change the fact that there are many more people that DID NOT win a house, as evident by 100-1000 people bidding on a house at any given time on my datacenter. Only ONE person wins.

Yes, that's right... ONE. Out of hundreds or a thousand!

There simply aren't enough houses to go around for all the people that want it, and adding additional instanced housing (such as the ability to upgrade an apartment to a larger size) would help resolve the issue.

Since when has a redundant system in FFXIV lead to the removal of another system? Instanced housing wouldn't delete the wards.

Now don't mind me I'm just going to go check on my Squadron after running a dungeon with Duty Support NPCs followed by an dugeon with trust Npcs.

There is absolutely no reason to think the wards will be removed if they make instanced houses available.

OP - You have a house and you love your neighbourhood? That's great. I don't think any reasonable person would want to take that away from you.

I have a FC and a personal house and I do want instanced houses because I really don't care about the neighbourhood. I'd be happy to get an instanced house if it meant I could get the size and location I want.
When the lottery was introduced, four people in my FC went for houses and two of us got lucky. Neither of us has the area or size of house that we wanted, but at least we got a house. The other two people lost and entered every lottery since then but they have now given up; I really feel for them.
Pulling up the drawbridge because you've got yours, isn't a good attitude. You're having fun but a lot of people aren't. Why not support measures that would enable everyone to enjoy something similar to what you have?

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Originally Posted by Kitsu

there are many more people that DID NOT win a house, as evident by 100-1000 people bidding on a house at any given time on my datacenter. Only ONE person wins.

Yes, that's right... ONE. Out of hundreds or a thousand!

There simply aren't enough houses to go around for all the people that want it

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Skill issue

Nice bait

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

Skill issue

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

Some of us already got a house and it would be unfair to remove the neighborhood aesthetic for those of us who enjoy it.

Thank you.

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What are you talking about? It's a ghost town, man.

I must have run into a potato once like a month ago in front of the Marketboard. Yeah, I've got a potato FC, in small slot, not far from my house, yeah. To Shirogane.
There is also a giant rabbit that I must have seen once last year in a big slot.

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

Some of us already got a house and it would be unfair to remove the neighborhood aesthetic for those of us who enjoy it.

Thank you.

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Takes like this are why I wish this forum had a dislike button sometimes.

YOU don't want instanced housing. The small amount of people who would complain if the neighborhood system were replaced with a better one would be insignificant compared to the much, much much larger amount of people who would be happy to make houses, participate in the housing item economy, use seasonal event items, create and advertise venues, kit out their FCs with airship, have access to gardening, etc etc etc. More housing item sales on SE store, too.

I have a house and would demolish my house for an instanced house because I'm sick & tired of GHOST TOWNS

I also hate the mismatched houses- I'm stuck in the goblet beside a Large empty house & crappy shirogane houses with even worse crappy decor-
I'd rather have an instance house that I can fully customize without seeing neighbors ugly decor in a ward that's been abandoned

You don't speak for everyone, just for yourself @OP

I waited 34 long years to lay my eyes upon my current house. 34 long years....

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

Some of us already got a house and it would be unfair to remove the neighborhood aesthetic for those of us who enjoy it.

Thank you.

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You can still have instanced housing with the aesthetic that is non-existent.

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Originally Posted by keiAya

Very selfish opinion. I've been betting on houses for years now and have never owned a house. I've been betting on houses since this new system was introduced, and have yet to win one. Every plot has over 150 bids on it on my server.

I see tons of houses that are completely empty, not one piece of furniture is set. I have TONS of outdoor furniture that I have earned from events, and I can't use any of them. I know TONS of people who are just creating FC's for themselves to buy houses.

There needs to be something that changes to open up housing to other people.

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With this new system I could see why you would not be able to get a house the odds reset with every time you put in a bid, but with old system you had better odds unless you were being picky of which house you were trying to get. I've had 6 houses since started this game 3 small 1 mid and 2 large. The trick was starting with small house and moving to larger house when new plots came out because in the old system those with houses would get first dibs on plots before they were purchasable. there by freeing small plots but Lessing the number of large and mid-plots. That being said would not be opposed to instance housing as long as 3 things were true. We can teleport to home and friends plots directly. There is both outside and inside environment. There would be larger and more customizable plots.

I really don't understand why some people are making the assumption that this is an either/or proposition. Island Sanctuaries has already shown us that instanced systems can be added without the current ward system being removed. However, if for some reason the developers were to find it necessary to remove wards in order to implement instanced housing, I would freely give up my cottage for a larger instanced house and never look back.

How about adding instanced housing to the island?

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Originally Posted by rxantos

How about adding instanced housing to the island?

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My vote is to remove the wards entirely, then put a house on the IS that you construct yourself, similar to how we build the buildings now.

You start with a small and progressively make it bigger. With each stage taking a huge amount of materials and time so you can't have it instantly.

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Originally Posted by Adeacia

My vote is to remove the wards entirely, then put a house on the IS that you construct yourself, similar to how we build the buildings now.

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Makes it a bit hard for FCs. Or are you suggesting that all the personals should be kicked out and lose their houses plus un-retrievable furniture.

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Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya

Some of us already got a house and it would be unfair to remove the neighborhood aesthetic for those of us who enjoy it.

Thank you.

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Who are you trying to speak for?

I've had 3 Larges, 2 mediums and 5 smalls over the years.

Honestly I'm tired of having to login just to keep a house up when I need a break from the game. If I take a full year off, I want to come back on and have a house at least SOMEWHERE.

I don't think removing the current system is needed. Just give Island Sanct an instanced housing plot and make it shareable with a friend(s). At worst, remove personal from neighborhoods entirely, obviously current personal houses wouldn't be deleted. They would be granfathered in and stay until the owner would lose the house naturally.

OP needs to remove WE from anything you ever say in the future, period. Life, game, everywhere. You mean YOU and YOU aren't even thinking of your OWN future scenario playouts.
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Ya that checks out.

You keep smoking what you're smoking. Short sighted as a mother,

And besides that anyone talking about needing neighbors is full of it. 99% of the time no one is home no matter where you live.
Are people really that emotionally needy, get a cat.

I also think like the others these neighborhoods need an HOA (only kinda joking).
The vast majority of recent players joining ffxiv seem to have ZERO designer skills what so ever.
If not horrible designs then it's simply empty plots (for other servers). Which is almost somehow worse.

There's more to life then an ffxiv house, OP friend. (*≧▽≦)ﾉｼ))

OP is wrong, I want instanced housing :)

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Originally Posted by UnrealTai

And besides that anyone talking about needing neighbors is full of it. 99% of the time no one is home no matter where you live.

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And this is simple to explain why. Lets say people only play 4h a day. If they would spent that constantly at their house, thats still only 16% of the maximum daily activity at that house. And you simply cant have activity for that long at your house every day. Thats just not realistic. So lets say instead they only spend 30mins, that already takes it down to 2% of the entire time.

And for neighbors to see each other, overlap is already needed. Lets make it easier and say that the overlap always happens within a 4h window. Thats still only a 1/8 chance to happen then. So the 2% becomes 0.25% chance to see your neighbor. Luckily you can have a few more increasing the odds there. But the thing is, most of the time people will go indoors quickly, and you cant constantly check their houses. This 1% might be an understatement for witnessing neighbors.

Only FCs can have this effect because of a larger number of players.

Neighbors for individuals is an aspect thats completely irrelevant.

So off topic it hurts: I never understood the complaint.

"I don't even meet people at my ward! It's dead, empty! So, away with the neighbourhoods!"

What does that matter? No, really.

Is it this?: devs say they wanted neighbourhoods > our housing system has neighbourhoods > the housing system also has limited vacancy > people hate that, people wanting but not having houses especially hate that > people judge the virtual emptiness of the wards as Bad Thing about housing system

So: wards not being hangout place is bad because wards not being hangout place is bad.

We can lock the stupid houses, tho. No one may come in and see us if we so choose. Having bunch of people around is not anyone's entitlement .

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Originally Posted by Burmecia

So off topic it hurts: I never understood the complaint.

"I don't even meet people at my ward! It's dead, empty! So, away with the neighbourhoods!"

What does that matter? No, really.

Is it this?: devs say they wanted neighbourhoods > our housing system has neighbourhoods > the housing system also has limited vacancy > people hate that, people wanting but not having houses especially hate that > people judge the virtual emptiness of the wards as Bad Thing about housing system

So: wards not being hangout place is bad because wards not being hangout place is bad.

We can lock the stupid houses, tho. No one may come in and see us if we so choose. Having bunch of people around is not anyone's entitlement .

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I'm trying to understand the point you want to make but I think I'm missing it.

My perspective:
The developers decided on wards because they wanted housing to promote community. This came at the cost of being able to provide sufficient houses for every player that wants a house.

Because the wards tend to remain empty due to limited number of houses and player schedules, no community has developed that wouldn't have also developed if a fully instanced housing system had been chosen instead. And with a fully instanced system, every player could have had a house.

It gets depressing to be in the yard of my house crafting and gardening to see a bunch of houses that appear to be empty around me (even though technically they're not) because there's no life in the actual neighborhood part of the wards. I feel like I'm living in a community that failed and everyone else has moved on but me.

With instanced housing, I'd potentially have a choice of environments for my house including locations in remote areas where I wouldn't expect to be seeing others in the first place. If there aren't supposed to be others around, then there's no reason to be depressed when that's the case.

Many of those who can't get a house feel locked out of the general housing community due to that lack. How good are the wards as a community building system when a substantial part of the player base feels intentionally excluded?

Maybe I got spoiled with RIFT housing but it was a system that worked well. Every player could have multiple housing locations. There was a good menu tool for sharing your housing with others and being able to visit their housing in return. You could choose to create either whitelists of blacklists for who could enter. Communities developed around the popular locations and the "share your housing" websites, just as they do with the RP venues and housing discords for this game.

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Originally Posted by UnrealTai

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