Since Nidhogg is the originator of Dragoon's power...

Would we gain any sort of new powers after we had temporarily fused with Hraesvolgr's eye to fight Nidhogg on equal footing? Nastrond and Stardiver seem like attacks we inherited from Nidhogg, so I wonder what we would gain from Hraesvolgr if his eye had any lasting effect on us as a Dragoon.

Didnt dragoons already exist before they killed ratatoskr?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Didnt dragoons already exist before they killed ratatoskr?

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I don't think so. At least, not in their current state. I think they were just regular soldiers that had dragon partners before King Thordan killed Ratatoskr. His son then became the first Dragoon of his type that we know of today.

Makes you wonder what the original Knight's Twelve and King Thordan's powers were like after they ate Ratatoskr's eye. Especially Haldrith, since he not only partook of her eyes as well, but also had fused himself with one of Nidhogg's afterwords.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Didnt dragoons already exist before they killed ratatoskr?

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Supposedly not. I'm pretty sure it starts with the first Azure Dragoon. The original King Thordan dies to Nidhogg and it was his son, the first that retaliates, becoming the Azure Dragoon. It was then set up so that the best of the Temple Knights were put through dragonslayer training and the best of those Dragoons became the Azure Dragoon.

This was what we were told of their history. It's most likely that dragoons were ordinary lances prior to this and that the jumping techniques of the dragoons came forward as they realized they would have to combat the dragons.

Edit: To answer more clearly, they apparently did not, but you don't have to consume a dragon to become a dragoon either.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

I don't think so. At least, not in their current state. I think they were just regular soldiers that had dragon partners before King Thordan killed Ratatoskr. His son then became the first Dragoon of his type that we know of today.

Makes you wonder what the original Knight's Twelve and King Thordan's powers were like after they ate Ratatoskr's eye. Especially Haldrith, since he not only partook of her eyes as well, but also had fused himself with one of Nidhogg's afterwords.

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You dont need to consume a dragon to become dragoon. The dragons knew how to share their magic and the dragoon combat style isnt just suited to fight a dragon but also to fight from a dragon's back as estinien proved numerous times.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

You dont need to consume a dragon to become dragoon. The dragons knew how to share their magic and the dragoon combat style isnt just suited to fight a dragon but also to fight from a dragon's back as estinien proved numerous times.

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I was just saying that's how the current Dragoons worked. At least from my botched memory. xD I learned dragons could share their magick by enchanting an Ishgardian's weapons and armor and that the fighting style of the Dragoons originated from Haldrith after he became the first Azure Dragoon. Every Dragoon after him just further perfected and added on to the arsenal of skills and abilities he started with. And the riding on the back thing was common place before King Thordan betrayed Ratatoskr. There were many Ishgardian soldiers that road on the backs of their dragon partners, though none of them had the powers of a Dragoon. Their armor and weapons were more than likely just enchanted with Dravinian fire and nothing more.

I can see modern day Dragoons using that technique though. Partnering up with a Dravinian and their Dravinian partner sharing their magick with them, thus giving them the powers of a Dragoon. Would make for a nice and interesting change in how new crops of Dragoons come about. :)

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Would we gain any sort of new powers after we had temporarily fused with Hraesvolgr's eye to fight Nidhogg on equal footing? Nastrond and Stardiver seem like attacks we inherited from Nidhogg, so I wonder what we would gain from Hraesvolgr if his eye had any lasting effect on us as a Dragoon.

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Hraesvelgr based powers would be cool. But never going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

Hraesvelgr based powers would be cool. But never going to happen.

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Change Chaotic Thrust/Chaotic Spring into Hraesvolgr's version of Diamond Dust and Wyrmwind Thrust into a move that changes depending on which "Eye" you have activated. Nidhogg when the red eye is activated, Hraesvolgr when the yellow one is, and then both once you activate both at once. Though, the "scale" system would still work the same, it would just change depending on which wyrm eye you have opened at the moment after each two Mirage Dives.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Change Chaotic Thrust/Chaotic Spring into Hraesvolgr's version of Diamond Dust and Wyrmwind Thrust into a move that changes depending on which "Eye" you have activated. Nidhogg when the red eye is activated, Hraesvolgr when the yellow one is, and then both once you activate both at once. Though, the "scale" system would still work the same, it would just change depending on which wyrm eye you have opened at the moment after each two Mirage Dives.

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Sounds cool, but won't happen. It's mechanically identical to what we have now so there's not really a reason to go through the contortions of trying to imagine new flavor into the Job. Would be more profitable to give Hraesvelgr's unique aesthetic to a different Job, but that also won't happen. Pretty sure they're just gonna leave him alone.

Dragoons predate Thordan's betrayal of Ratatoskr, though as Soge said back then they were not as they are now.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../#sidestory_06

The difference between the Azure Dragoon using Nidhogg's power and us borrowing Hraesvelgr's power is that we immediately give Hraesvelgr's eye back after the fight (not directly shown, but in the cut scene afterwards where we accompany him back to Zenith, he's clearly shown with both eyes). We don't hold on to it long enough to actually gain more than a plot-relevant power-up for the one fight. The Azure Dragoons have been drawing on Nidhogg's Eye for a thousand years, so we can draw on their memories from the dragoon soul crystal to learn their secrets.

Note that while the Azure Dragoon traditionally draws on Nidhoggs power through his eye, all the other dragoons don't have access to the eye, and thus can't draw on Nidhogg's power.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

The difference between the Azure Dragoon using Nidhogg's power and us borrowing Hraesvelgr's power is that we immediately give Hraesvelgr's eye back after the fight (not directly shown, but in the cut scene afterwards where we accompany him back to Zenith, he's clearly shown with both eyes). We don't hold on to it long enough to actually gain more than a plot-relevant power-up for the one fight. The Azure Dragoons have been drawing on Nidhogg's Eye for a thousand years, so we can draw on their memories from the dragoon soul crystal to learn their secrets.

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Yeah, that makes alot of sense. Never thought of both Nidhogg and Hraesvolgr's eyes like that.

Though, since there will be a rework for dragoon in 7.0, I wonder if we'll gain a dragon partner from the remnants of Nidhogg's brood or Hraesvolgr still thriving one. Either way, it would make for a nice symbolism for the renewed friendship between man and dragon. :)

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Note that while the Azure Dragoon traditionally draws on Nidhoggs power through his eye, all the other dragoons don't have access to the eye, and thus can't draw on Nidhogg's power.

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Don't all the regular Dragoon's come into contact with the eye temporarily to gain some of Nidhogg's power in order to become proper Dragoons? My memory is vague, but I swesr a character during one of the Dragoon quests briefly told us something like that.

Not arguing that they have access to Nidhogg's power, like the Azure Dragoons do. But just questioning as to how they become Dragoons other than going through intense training.

Soo normal Dragoons in FFXIV are Dragoon killer next evulations would be to becomm a dragoon rider. How about give dragoon a pet like FFXI xDD can be like carby or queen.

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Originally Posted by Aerixa

Soo normal Dragoons in FFXIV are Dragoon killer next evulations would be to becomm a dragoon rider. How about give dragoon a pet like FFXI xDD can be like carby or queen.

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no no. Kamen rider style transformation warrior.
Think ryuki xD

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Originally Posted by Aerixa

Soo normal Dragoons in FFXIV are Dragoon killer next evulations would be to becomm a dragoon rider. How about give dragoon a pet like FFXI xDD can be like carby or queen.

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I'm pretty sure the developers are on a war path to never have another pet based class ever again. They would nuke the Selene and SMN pets 100% if it wasn't so tied into the class identity.