Patch 6.21 Notes are here - never expect anything

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...4795a082fca0f6

Buffs to Warrior and Paladin (They needed it and Xenosys really pushed it hard on his complains)

Nothing to DPS. Reaper still behind by a significant amount from other melees. Ranged and Casters (BLM is okish) still about 8% to 10% behind melee.

They also nerfed P8S. I was personally on High Concept 2, that sucks. Now I get to live forever with the; "I WaS HaRdEr At 6.2"

Hey I just wanted to say CONGRATULATIONS (p8s was harder in 6.2) on the THE ABYSSOS EIGHTH CIRCLE SAVAGE 6.21 (it was harder in 6.2) CLEAR. I know you've been working really hard (p8s used to be harder) at it, and I'm happy that you've (p8s used to be harder) achieved your goal of completion. I know your journey through (p8s used to be harder) the content was filled with ups and downs, but you and (p8s used to be harder) your group stuck (p8s used to be harder) together through them all, and you were rewarded for your patience and (p8s used to be harder) tenacity. Congratulations (p8s used to be so much harder) once again, and here's to more success in your future (p8s used to be harder) endeavors!!!

Meme aside :< sad day they completely ignored every single post here.

It's almost if they want to tell everyone who raids to just get the fuck off ranged and switch to melee.

I will die on the RDM hill.

Just remove the stat buff and force us to do 4 melee square, clearly thats what you want

In classic SE fashion, they didn't actually solve the issue everyone was complaining about and made an entirely new one.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...72/unknown.png

We can only laugh while crying

I wish they would've chosen to buff the jobs who are clearly lagging behind instead of nerfing the boss, especially since the further out we get with more gear the easier the DPS check is going to be anyway.

they won't admit the balance is bad, proof that they don't care about player opinions and are stuck in their own ideology of good balance according to the dev team''.
they've been letting the machinist community drown in their tears of salt for months, with laugh-out-loud adjustments, as the dancer and the bard have been rubbing their hands since the last adjustments mostly on melee DPS ''Monk, DRG, and SAM" on the spells cri-dh guaranteed.

at this stage, I wonder if they really like certain jobs they have designed.

PLD buffs are nice and all but they again just buffed his lvl 90 rotation.
He is still trash in 70/80 content.

Probably still trash in 90 content. I doubt those buffs are going to fix the problem they're having with synching to raid buffs.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Probably still trash in 90 content. I doubt those buffs are going to fix the problem they're having with synching to raid buffs.

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It won't. Neither WAR nor PLD will be touching the established duo. They'll just stop being locked out of PF for the most part. These buffs are pretty much because of that alongside JP making a huge stink over PLD, apparently.

"erm actually it's because we're good at the game, sorry about that our team was just SO good we made it harder than you can handle"

lmao

I never expect anything in a hotfix of all things
its surprising they did anything to jobs and bosses

wasn't a hotfix my b
when are they gonna let people edit on mobile without going desktop mode smh

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Originally Posted by Duskane

when are they gonna let people edit on mobile without going desktop mode smh

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Never, welcome to 2004 forums

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

It won't. Neither WAR nor PLD will be touching the established duo. They'll just stop being locked out of PF for the most part. These buffs are pretty much because of that alongside JP making a huge stink over PLD, apparently.

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That 1% reduction in HP in P8S will definitely be more directly responsible for PLD and WAR being allowed in PFs than the miniscule buffs received by the jobs, I'd wager.

The nerf in savage fight is not what we needed but a fix in the job balance. Its great to see the buff to Warrior and Paladin but thats not all we need.

First off MCH which has been neglected for eras. RDM which is lacking in damage. And lastly the over all balance between casters/ranged and melee with the fight nowadays consisting of mostly 100% uptime. Or they can change the savage fight from this point on to have “ACTUAL” downtime like in “OLDER SAVAGE” fights.

The only message I get from the current job balance from the devs is casters can go kill themselves and uninstall the game or just play melee.

I'm prolly gonna make a post with my own inputs. I made this one as a reaction because I sorta figured this place would be on fire and I've dropped my own oil in the fire.

Spread it like a Wildfire

More band aid solutions, classic SE.

My favorite quote:
"They'd rather nerf the boss than buff MCH"

Where is the problem? This is only fair. Meele have situations, where they can not attack (monk with practicly zero distance attacks), or have only weak distance attacks. So, it is fair, that they make the most dmg, when they are near the enemy.

Ranger can attack the whole time from each distance, while in motion. So, its fair that they make the lowest dmg of all dd.

Caster are between, because they can attack from all distances. But not the whole time (or can only use weak spells, when they have to move very often). So, it is fair, that they are in the middle.

Name one fight this tier where melee have any situation they lose more than one GCD in, in an optimized setting.

Yeah nice meme, i play melee this tiers i dont have to use my ranged attack even once in reclears and i don't even need to think to get that result. maybe used it twice in prog and it's being generous, keeping uptime is a joke because boss hitbox take half the arena even tank that get a bit shafted by strat can keep 100% uptime with some adjust.

Caster not attacking is also a meme, there is some mecanic where im sure it's a bit trickier but i was rdm last tiers and it was the same things 100% uptime just playing the job well enough.

That reasoning balance is for a game that no longer exist.

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Originally Posted by Keichi

Where is the problem? This is only fair. Meele have situations, where they can not attack (monk with practicly zero distance attacks),

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Why bother using ranged attacks as a melee when the bosses lately have a hitbox that's basically the size of Earthly Star? You'd have to be literally trying to run off the edge of arenas to not be able to land gcds.

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Originally Posted by Renascent

Yeah nice meme, i play melee this tiers i dont have to use my ranged attack even once in reclears and i don't even need to think to get that result. maybe used it twice in prog and it's being generous, keeping uptime is a joke because boss hitbox take half the arena even tank that get a bit shafted by strat can keep 100% uptime with some adjust.

Caster not attacking is also a meme, there is some mecanic where im sure it's a bit trickier but i was rdm last tiers and it was the same things 100% uptime just playing the job well enough.

That reasoning balance is for a game that no longer exist.

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Then you have Purgation in 7s and Cthonic Vent in 8s doorboss which have the whole party practically hiking the arena multiple times, which is enough to catch any caster (except maybe smn) unawares without a TON of preparation, and even then I've run out of movement options in both, though the latter only when I'm forced to move after every dragon vent hop.

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Originally Posted by Keichi

Where is the problem? This is only fair. Meele have situations, where they can not attack (monk with practicly zero distance attacks), or have only weak distance attacks. So, it is fair, that they make the most dmg, when they are near the enemy.

Ranger can attack the whole time from each distance, while in motion. So, its fair that they make the lowest dmg of all dd.

Caster are between, because they can attack from all distances. But not the whole time (or can only use weak spells, when they have to move very often). So, it is fair, that they are in the middle.

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Here's the problem:
https://i.imgur.com/NBwPcUH.png

TBH it's kinda hard to miss

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Originally Posted by Keichi

Where is the problem? This is only fair. Meele have situations, where they can not attack (monk with practicly zero distance attacks), or have only weak distance attacks. So, it is fair, that they make the most dmg, when they are near the enemy.

Ranger can attack the whole time from each distance, while in motion. So, its fair that they make the lowest dmg of all dd.

Caster are between, because they can attack from all distances. But not the whole time (or can only use weak spells, when they have to move very often). So, it is fair, that they are in the middle.

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How to tell me you haven't done any of the current savage fights without telling me you haven't done any of the current savage fights.

You'd have to put forth some impressive effort to lose uptime on melees these days like chosing a ranged spot for mechanics so you even get a chance to be out of melee range. And then there's the tree where the hitbox is basically the arena. Oh, and no positionals for good measure.
RDM, BLM and healers currently have to work more for their uptime than melees do. The beloved stop-and-go/ bait/ hike across the arena a few times currently don't affect melees at all. But you'll have to work for it if you want to keep uptime without Ruin II spam on SCH, without losing LS for your burst on AST, without screwing your mana gain on RDM or without cutting AF phases on BLM.

I shall continue posting into the void for rpr buffs

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

I shall continue posting into the void for rpr buffs

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Reaper does not need buffs

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

Name one fight this tier where melee have any situation they lose more than one GCD in, in an optimized setting.

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I would name you one but square just made the boss untargetable instead

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

Then you have Purgation in 7s and Cthonic Vent in 8s doorboss which have the whole party practically hiking the arena multiple times, which is enough to catch any caster (except maybe smn) unawares without a TON of preparation, and even then I've run out of movement options in both, though the latter only when I'm forced to move after every dragon vent hop.

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Summoner can get away by doing a Bahamut > Ifrit Opener and Swift Slipstream. They really are the ultimate ranged physical caster. Their damage is still pretty bad, RDM does better than SMN on the second boss but the DPS check is tighter on the door boss so SMN wins P8S just because of that.