The Positive Thread

Post what you LIKE about PvP.

1. I like the unique job limit breaks, while balance is up in the air for a few of them, I think they all fit the jobs pretty well from a thematic standpoint.

2. I like the changes to job actions, I do wish there was a little more than we have but I think it's nice no longer instantly losing a frontline because your team doesn't have a healer, etc.

3. I think payload objectives are fun, they can sometimes be frustrating but I think you can get some really good games in them. Especially matches that are super tug of war, or awesome come backs.

Things you want to see added or changed?

1. I'd like to see a Rival Wings daily roulette, I've never played the mode because it's dead.

2. Some changes to limit breaks, some are too strong or unable to be countered whereas others are easy to see coming and easily countered.

3. Volcanic Heart camera collision right now feels a bit wonky.

4. Give me PvP actions / duels in Island Sanctuary so I can brutally murder my friends.

If I had to choose one thing I liked about PVP, it's the spontaneity. Since our teammates and opponents are other PCs and jobs are mixed, no two players play exactly the same and no two games are exactly the same. What may have worked last time may not work in the future. Mental game is at least as important as pushing your buttons. It's something completely different than the rest of the FFXIV.

If I had to choose one thing to change, it would be the risk-reward balance for all jobs. Some jobs are in a good place where the reward justifies the risk if successful. But others feel like the risk is hardly ever worth the reward, or a big reward is given with little risk. And this extends to things like damage reduction in Frontlines. Obviously, this subject has nuance, but in general, this is how I feel.

Hmm...

1: It's very quick, in-and-out match

2: Maps are pretty good with it's mechanics change the way you play.(needs more maps badly though)

..............I can't think of anything else..too many cons.

What needs to be changed?

1: A personal ranking system w/ prestige. Even if you get demoted in CC in terms of tiers, your personal rank does not. When it caps, you can reset it, give a prestige rank and unlock items based on that rank. SE needs to give ppl more reason to play this content.

2: CC needs more maps in the game. A water map under the Ruby Sea for instance, drowning DoT, CC in the spot for a KO lol. A frozen map in Garlemeld(not correcting it). Certain time, wind direction, not covered before it goes off...you get frozen and chance to get a free KO.

3: .....if they want plates to be more unique, they may as well announce a plate contest for the community.

.....That's all I can think about so far.

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I like how fast queue times are :)
Having unique limit breaks for each job is really cool and at least from a visual aspect, they're so radical.

I don't like the overall job 'balance' and the sheer amount of hard crowd control effects right now. Could do with a lot less and be better off for it.
Many LBs could use just a small touch to add any counterplay to them.
Change up the damage reduction in frontlines. Not all melee deserve a flat 60%. And address paladin in onsal.
Different game modes for CC like TDM or CTF, for casual play or something. Just to shake things up at least a little bit.

Likes

1. It has gotten easier to acquire KOs. Healers no longer are the main deciding factor with who lives. Bursts and pressuring are easier to achieve. Overall, it's way easier to be on the offense than defense (in my opinion).
2. Combat has gotten faster. No more waiting 1 min for party buffs and 30 secs for burst. You're constantly moving and fighting. Oh, and no cooldown on sprint.
3. We have a new and fun mode, and it seems to keep everyone engaged (keyword: seems)

Adds? Changes?

1. It has gotten easier to acquire KOs (lol). Reason being that crowd control is the most important thing in order to acquire kills. This isnt mentioning certain classes that has a way around Guard and Purify. (See past threads on Crowd Control.) Consider adding back in diminishing returns. Crystal Conflict may not need it as much, but frontlines does.
2. Unlock Astragalos (See past threads for Rival Wings roulette). It's been locked ever since the release of Hidden Gorge. It may as well be accessible to the public to show why Hidden Gorge was made differently.
3. Make Crystal Conflict customs be playable while parties are downsized. Let's start there. Dont see why the options for pvp as far as premades are concerned are 1-4 people in a party or 10 in a group. It makes no sense whatsoever.
4. Don't delete anything else from pvp. It's bad enough that there's lack of options. Cant say anything about Heavensward. After changes from Stormblood to now I now have to deal with lack of choice. If only I can say what I had back then compared to now regardless of how good or bad it was...I'm making that choice to just keep it buried in order to not scare new players away from pvp.

I like the limited job actions. PvE feels incredibly cluttered for a lot of jobs, and a smoothbrain like myself has trouble dealing with 30+ abilities.
In PvP, the abilities are few, but impactful, which is the way I vastly prefer it. I want each button to be important on its own rather than step 1 of 10 to actually deal good damage!

Oh right. I forgot to mention, I'd love to see a duo queue added. Me and my friend have been itching to play together.

Like
-Fast Queue times
-Easy way to get wolf marks
-Something to do besides raiding that isn't a tedious grind, yet still provides a decent amount of challenge
-A okay start to something that can be even better

Wants
-More interesting PvP kits
-Better designed maps that don't heavily favour ranged jobs
-Better servers
-Less CC
-More things to spend crystals/wolf marks on
-More communication, if any at all, from the PvP team

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

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Wants
-More interesting PvP kits
-Better designed maps that don't heavily favour ranged jobs
-Better servers
-Less CC
-More things to spend crystals/wolf marks on
-More communication, if any at all, from the PvP team

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I'm with you on these wants. But how do you think you'd gear a map to be more balanced and not ranged favoured? What would the design be like, gimmicks, etc?

Totally want more stuff to spend Wolf Marks and Trophies on, glams especially.

Unfortunately I think the jank servers are to stay and the comms to be non-existent though!

i love ambushing and murdering people in frontlines, people who wear feast glams doubly so.

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Originally Posted by Towa-Musa

i love ambushing and murdering people in frontlines, people who wear feast glams doubly so.

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I know someone who would queue frontlines with their friend and then they'd both MCH LB the same person in a random spot on the map.

This was back before the DR so it was essentially an assassination.

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

I know someone who would queue frontlines with their friend and then they'd both MCH LB the same person in a random spot on the map.

This was back before the DR so it was essentially an assassination.

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me and a group of friends back when DR was not put back into pvp would all go in as DRGs and wait for our LBs to pop so we all could tomahawk missile 20+ people at once killing them XD we made so many people mad that day.

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

I'm with you on these wants. But how do you think you'd gear a map to be more balanced and not ranged favoured? What would the design be like, gimmicks, etc?

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Volcanic Hearts currently is the most balanced map. It has lots of corners for melee to play around, the crystal doesn't move across long, empty sightlines and you can get behind the enemy team without completely exposing yourself. Newer maps need to be a tiny bit smaller with more obstructions/corners so ranged jobs have to actually position themselves instead of having free sightlines with easy escapes. As for gimmicks, all of them currently favour ranged jobs, but I have no idea how you could even make a gimmick that impedes both melee and ranged or even just ranged for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Dreadz

Volcanic Hearts currently is the most balanced map. It has lots of corners for melee to play around, the crystal doesn't move across long, empty sightlines and you can get behind the enemy team without completely exposing yourself. Newer maps need to be tiny bit smaller with more obstructions/corners so ranged jobs have to actually position themselves instead of having free sightlines with easy escapes. As for gimmicks, all of them currently favour ranged jobs, but I have no idea how you could even make gimmick that impedes both melee and ranged or even just ranged for that matter.

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After having played again tonight, I honestly really agree with the outlook on maps. Palastria and Cloud Nine let ranged players go braindead and rewards them for it. Being melee and having to push on that map is miserable because you're forced to always take damage.

No idea about gimmicks, though. Maybe just add a bomb that drops on a BLM's head and kills them? :P

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

After having played again tonight, I honestly really agree with the outlook on maps. Palastria and Cloud Nine let ranged players go braindead and rewards them for it. Being melee and having to push on that map is miserable because you're forced to always take damage.

No idea about gimmicks, though. Maybe just add a bomb that drops on a BLM's head and kills them? :P

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Based. And let's just permanently halve MCH and SMN HP on every map

Likes :
I don't have to worry about healing people much anymore.
Hmm higher? kill counts I guess.

Wants:
PLD cover fix aside...hmm
More CC maps?
Better frontline map balance that doesn't favor 'ah yes rng of rng of rng of rng'
Less crowd control.
A visual difference between enemy DRG and friendly DRG LB ? (idk if that's much tbh; but at least in frontline)
More PvP glam to spend wolf marks and uh crystals on. what do I even spend my crystals on now??

I'm positive that PvP sucks right now.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I'm positive that PvP sucks right now.

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Then let me direct you to the door!

Like:
- Crystalline Conflict. The game mode's structure is well thought out on practically every level, it's impressive design work.
- Class Design. Class identity is extremely strong, far stronger than PvE, despite the simple kits.

Would Like:
- Geometry rework on Volcanic Heart. Neither the greebles nor the camera cooperate when you're near walls, which is frequent given the constricted design of the map.
- A new map. There's probably enough design space for more maps, even if hazards are the main differences, and more visual variation would be nice.
- High tickrate servers. Not happening, obviously, but imagine how good this mode would be with responsive and consistent interactions.

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Originally Posted by JamieRose

I'm positive that PvP sucks right now.

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Thats a good one XD

All the jobs here have way more flavour and variety than in PvE. I get why they are different but some ideas, like Seraph Strike (which you can kind of get in Save the Queen content) is just fun.

And fewer buttons. Definitely don't think PvE needs this few, but any job with more than 30 buttons should be re-evaluated next expansion.