Summoner primal summons too flashy?

It has been quite a while since the new summoner was released but I didn't see any discussions about this specific part, the effects when summoning primals.

Maybe it's just me (since I work in IT and stare at the screens all day), but the effects are just too flashy. I should clarify that I have no issues with flashes in general (cutscenes, boss fights, etc.), but the summons are simply too often, making them flash you almost every minute.
Even the WHM Holy falls in comparison to a Titans whole yellow screen.

I used to main summoner before, and I know some quit the job because of the rework, but for me it was the flashy summons.
Yes, I know I can turn off the effects, but then all I'm doing is swinging my hands around like a maniac.

I would really love if there was an option to disable just the primals effects (I'm looking at you Titan and Ifrit). Or if possible to tone down the effects in some future patch (preferably with the pet size to reduce the effect size too?).

Anyone else got opinions about this, or is it just me :confused:

I love my big primals but the brightness does bother me, toning it down would do a lot of good.

see:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...nd/ded8f6e43d6

for simplicity, this will adjust all summons (both yours and others) to small size:
/petsize all small


PS: adjusting just "flashy effect" would mean to lower flashiness of all your actions in character menu, cant adjust only pet actions AFAIK

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Originally Posted by RylaBee

see:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...nd/ded8f6e43d6

for simplicity, this will adjust all summons (both yours and others) to small size:
/petsize all small


PS: adjusting just "flashy effect" would mean to lower flashiness of all your actions in character menu, cant adjust only pet actions AFAIK

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The pet size is not the issue, I only suggested changing the effect size with the pet, as a "scale one, scale the other" option. I always have the pets on small, so having a smaller effect around them, instead of the whole screen, would make sense imo.

Yeah sadly it is just a tad too much. I really like flashy because it adds a lot of impact and makes the game way more fun when skills look and feel fun to use, but especially when you're in a roulette with 4 SMNs, it can be impossible to see mechanics sometimes and turning down animations is not the answer to fun.

I love the big flashy bright effects. All of our other spells are very muted in comparison. Summoning a rock or a little green wind effect doesn't bring much in the way of a "wow factor".

So they rolled that into summoning literal gods.

https://i.imgur.com/wkg0mj7.png

Yes it's definitely too flashy. It's been noticed ever since the job debuted at the start of Endwalker. It covers up mechanics and is a massive distraction in raids.

Yeah this has been a huge problem for me. I've had to turn off my effects when doing the EX trials and Savage raids so I don't accidentally grief my parties. Regardless of how people feel about the new summoner, I think most people can agree that the aesthetic of summoning has been the biggest improvement. But in my case, I went from being able to play with my effects on and seeing my Akh Morn and Revelation in Shadowbringers to seeing my WoL flail around with no effects at ALL in Endwalker. After recently coming back to the game, I was expecting SOME kind of adjustment especially after the eyesore of P3. :/

That's not actually covering up any mechanics though. You can very clearly see the lines and colours through the spell effect.

Ah yes smn strenghts and flaws of raid. They should make it less flashy but same time feel awesome.

I would also love it to be toned down slightly. It can be adjusted without losing the oomph. I think Garuda's fine, but Titan and Ifrit are almost competition to RDM LB3.

I also agree that the summoner Titan ability is a bit too flashy as well; as others have already said, but I'll add to it - especially when there are multiple summoners in one group or even alliance raids, it becomes a bit too much for my liking. So many summons, so much flashy ooo pretty lights. I already think the summoning of the primals over and over again in a repetitive manner is a bit annoying as it is. The brightness or excessiveness of some of the primals abilities can be toned down just by a tad bit; doesn't have to be by much, just a little.

SMN effects scalar when? I don't want to remove everything minus Healer bubbles just so I can see mechanics properly whenever I have a SMN in my groups.

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Originally Posted by Saimeren

That's not actually covering up any mechanics though. You can very clearly see the lines and colours through the spell effect.

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A flash grenade only makes the room bright for a few miliseconds, but the effect of them can easily last several seconds after that. Thats how it can disrupt vision (and therefor mechanics).

And it differs a lot per player on how flashy it has to be to become disruptive. Yet there is nothing you can do to get around it. Even if the flash isnt blinding, it can be enough to make your brain struggle to notice contrast changes.

(and yes, a flash grenade is the excessive case, but flashy effects still behave in a similar way)

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Yet there is nothing you can do to get around it.

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You can literally turn particles effects off in the character settings.

If you're having trouble distinguishing between your spell and the bosses, then turn yours off.

It's awful. The bright light from Titan makes it really hard to see AoEs on the floor, and Ifrit's animations were misery during P3 because a lot of his attacks look like the Phoinix's spell animations. If I could subdue the lighting on these, I'd do it in an instant.

It should have a command to make the titan/ifrit/garuda spawn animations slightly more crystal clear.

like /petsize.

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Originally Posted by Saimeren

You can literally turn particles effects off in the character settings.

If you're having trouble distinguishing between your spell and the bosses, then turn yours off.

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Having to turn off effects because abilities are too flashy sounds like it's too flashy. I dunno, just an opinion.

Edit: This only occurs mostly with summoner - Titan.
We shouldn't have to turn down effects for everything just for a single ability, that's asinine.

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Originally Posted by Megued

Summoner primal summons too flashy?

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No.

May as well tell a fish not to swim, a bird not to fly.

I wholeheartedly agree, remove the flashy animations so we can all see summoner for what it is.

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Originally Posted by fulminating

I wholeheartedly agree, remove the flashy animations so we can all see summoner for what it is.

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Ruin Mage lol

If you turn your effects off you see how uninspired it actually is.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Ruin Mage lol

If you turn your effects off you see how uninspired it actually is.

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Even the most Ruiny version of Ruin Mage had more depth and engaging gameplay than this.

6.0 SMN is how I feel about the entire expansion. All style and no substance.

Can't wait for the new caster DPS that has DoTS and is OG SMN. Maybe they will call it Necromancer.

I vastly prefer the Primal spells on BLU over what SMN has.

But appreciate the gift Yoshi P has given us which is a braindead faceroll job for easy MSQ progression.

The other day I was in a party of all summoners; oh boy. That was a hoot.

I still wish we got to pick and choose what summons we wanted to summon and that each one did a different thing rather than be implemented directly in the rotation as it is now where it is repetitive af. Doesn't exactly make summoning the primals that special, just...idk, whatever it is now.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

6.0 SMN is how I feel about the entire expansion. All style and no substance.

Can't wait for the new caster DPS that has DoTS and is OG SMN. Maybe they will call it Necromancer.

I vastly prefer the Primal spells on BLU over what SMN has.

But appreciate the gift Yoshi P has given us which is a braindead faceroll job for easy MSQ progression.

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This is about the only time I like that SMN and SCH are connected since they lobotomised SCH, I get to level SCH and get a braindead easy DPS for solo instances and duties where I don’t feel like spamming broil 4 for 20 minutes straight

The only subject I'd like to touch is the effect of summon, mainly Titan and Ifrit, since those are the only ones that use bright colours over the whole screen. In some instances it's even worse, since you can't zoom out as much as you'd like and are forced to look at the flashbomb in all its glory.

I didn't mean to start a discussion about all other spells/mages, how better/worse the new summoner is, so if everyone could please stay on topic.

Honestly the animation and "room wide" effect looks like it was lifted from HOH's magicite summons.

But unfortunately, unless they decide to take things down a notch, it seems it's on the player to turn down their own settings. But I also noticed something too, the brightness and lighting in older cutscenes are definitely "off". If you look at the SHB cutscenes in "certain scenes" there are brightness effects that are a lot more intense than they were years before.

It may be an added factor why the summon's effect is more distracting than everything else.

Titan and Ifrit make Red Mage blush. It's like having very frequent RDM LB3's going off. You can't see anything but orange...which is the same color of the AOEs you have stay out of.

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Originally Posted by Shenlao

Not sure why some people jump to removing all the flash from smn.

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Because flash is all it has, and without it people will be forced to judge it on what little remains. The fact that the animations are so incessant and obnoxious only makes it easier to advocate for.

The rework into its current state does not sit well with everyone.

They should also consider hiding the summons entirely with effects set to Off. They're pretty much the only thing that's still visible.

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Originally Posted by Shenlao

I mean you too also seem just be a crazy person that has to jump to removing the flash cause of some other weird grievance about the class design.

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The flash is gameplay wise purely for visuals. There is no positive gain from the flash other than just making it visualy look strong. Just like a car can have a very powerful sound, but still be extremely slow in a game.

These things are only there for immersion reasons. Yet suffer from the part that they actualy do not provide any immersion for a skilled player. A skilled player just sees which summon it is and already remembers how strong it is. Other than that they do not need to know anything. Hence just an empty summon animation will do for them.

As the flash has no meaning for others, having it optional is a good thing.

And yes, this is a design issue. As there are many things that are part of design, but can have downsides with them. Crunching sounds when someone is eating, as a healing sound effect can be disruptive to some, while for some its immersion. Good design should enable to substitute these things with something that in general can be accepted. And its down to the devs on how far they are willing to go. Too much and some will call it dull/excessive, too little and it will keep players away. Or another FF related thing: the fireworks effects in any city. At some point its just boring audio clutter that disrupts music. And it doesnt matter if its ingame music, or a spotify playlist, it disrupts for absolutely no purpose other than 'immersion'.

At least, if it doesnt require a lot of effort, its in many cases worth to consider it. Especialy during reworks, its something that can be improved a lot, and maybe you can even use this for diffirent features as well improving the game overal. Small steps can have great results.

I sure have a hard time seeing the Poison Squall/Surge bait AoEs in P5s under the boss because that seems to be right when SMNs summon Titan and it drives me nuts.

So many complaining about not only the flash-i-ness of the primals being summoned but the fact that the primals are summoned over and over again...

I'm not sure if those complaining about this primal rotation played SMN when we only had igi's but this is a god-send approach to playing the Summoner job in FFXIV that many, MANY of us asked and begged for from the beginning. We went from a dot-class to an actual summoner class when we were explicitly told it WASN'T POSSIBLE! (If I had time I'd find the thread when Yoshi himself said it wasn't possible and that the igi's was the best they could do)...
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So I for one, am VERY VERY happy with this re-work and praise the Devs for making the job do what it's namesake says... SUMMON. Now add more, gives us Ramuh, Levi and Shiva.... somehow let's work their magic into our DPS rotation and rock it out!!

Personally I just feel they compensated the totally dumbing down of a class with flashing cool looking spell effects so there would not be to much backslash about completely removing any complexity from a class.

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Originally Posted by Xiozen

So many complaining about not only the flash-i-ness of the primals being summoned but the fact that the primals are summoned over and over again...

I'm not sure if those complaining about this primal rotation played SMN when we only had igi's but this is a god-send approach to playing the Summoner job in FFXIV that many, MANY of us asked and begged for from the beginning. We went from a dot-class to an actual summoner class when we were explicitly told it WASN'T POSSIBLE! (If I had time I'd find the thread when Yoshi himself said it wasn't possible and that the igi's was the best they could do)...
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So I for one, am VERY VERY happy with this re-work and praise the Devs for making the job do what it's namesake says... SUMMON. Now add more, gives us Ramuh, Levi and Shiva.... somehow let's work their magic into our DPS rotation and rock it out!!

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Despite the name the class now bears absolutely zero connection to its in game lore (a trait it shares with SCH to be fair)

I’d rather the class make sense within 14 and be complex than be this weird kinda amalgamation of every games summoner without actually being any particular games summoner and also having absolutely zero complexity

They should probably create fights that avoid red, orange and yellow colors to mitigate Ifrit and Titan dumpster fires blinding the whole arena to where you can't see mechanics.

Fulminating is right btw. Flashy job that summons bitching monsters does shit damage with a restrictive kit and ties Aetherflow to it's 2 minute burst in Searing Light. You have to time it right to get 2 R4's and 4 Festers/Painflares and go straight into Bahamut/Phoenix.

It's needlessly clunky and I hate it.

I can choose Bahamut or Phoenix in PvP but can't in PvE?

Crimson Cyclone doesn't break combo in PvP but in PvE it does?

That's bad design and reeks of spaghetti code.

2 dungeon runs of Troia really shows the difference. One run had a Ninja and Gunbreaker and we got Scar to 35% before the add phase and another group we only got to 49%-52%.

The class looks cool but for how damaging the effects look you hit like a wet noodle.

And if a person dies you have to tank your already low damage to res someone because you know they are going to do more DPS then you.

Just oof.

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Originally Posted by Xiozen

So many complaining about not only the flash-i-ness of the primals being summoned but the fact that the primals are summoned over and over again...

I'm not sure if those complaining about this primal rotation played SMN when we only had igi's but this is a god-send approach to playing the Summoner job in FFXIV that many, MANY of us asked and begged for from the beginning. We went from a dot-class to an actual summoner class when we were explicitly told it WASN'T POSSIBLE! (If I had time I'd find the thread when Yoshi himself said it wasn't possible and that the igi's was the best they could do)...
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So I for one, am VERY VERY happy with this re-work and praise the Devs for making the job do what it's namesake says... SUMMON. Now add more, gives us Ramuh, Levi and Shiva.... somehow let's work their magic into our DPS rotation and rock it out!!

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People are allowed to voice their opinions; it's great and all that you enjoy the new SMN. I am one of those players that played old SMN, and enjoyed it. Did it have it flaws? Absolutely. But what we have now, in my opinion, is worse. I do believe that the rework was rushed and half-assed, and it makes me feel like I'm playing an unfinished job that does not feel great to play anymore.
You love it, that's awesome.
I do think that they can definitely work up from what we currently have, though I do wish that the repetitiveness ceases at some point.
Primals could have been implemented in a more creative manner.

EDIT: I wish there was a way to make both sides to this opinion enjoy SMN - I'm not asking to change it and say screw you to those that do enjoy the new SMN. But as it is right now, it's simply repetitive, the phoenix heal can only be used at very specific times when phoenix is summoned, and the same applies with the shield. The carbuncle just stands there waiting for a treat by my ankles and it has also just been pushed aside lazily with no creativity.
The primals could have been implemented in a way that makes us feel like we're using them more creatively if we could summon whatever primal for whatever given situation we're in, rather than just "okay first is bahamut, okay now titan, now garuda, now ifrit, then phoenix, and now repeat..."
And seeing multiple primals with very flashy moves gets annoying; they're just....everywhere like every few seconds.

EDIT II: I wish SMN could have a higher skill ceiling like BLM; I feel like it absolutely could, but now it's one of the most braindead jobs to play. /shrug