Skill Speed is worthless!

I'm not exactly sure why hasn't Skill and Spell speed been consolidated into a single Haste stat yet.

Skill speed on tank gear has the issue of only benefiting 2 of the 4 tanks, PLD becomes slightly worse compared to DRK since part of its burst are all Spells.

Stop giving me the illusion of choice when there's none!

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Skillspeed definitely isn't worthless, but we've been barking up the merge SkS and SpS tree for a very long time now. Probably isn't going to happen.

Skillspeed has pretty much always been a case of "get as much as you need for your rotation to work in a fight".
The only time where going all in on skillspeed was viable on some jobs was back in Stormblood and only because we had access to the completely busted Elemental+1 gear.

Skillspeed isn't worthless, it's mandatory.
The problem is that the best skillspeed depends from one player to another.

There are some jobs that absolutely wants lower GCD, BLM I believe.
There are some jobs that just wants a set SKS like SAM, NIN, MNK, GNB...
There are some jobs that wants 0 SKS, I believe the whole ranged role doesn't want SKS, DRG and RPR, DRK doesn't need SKS.

IMO, the player should have easier control over the SKS/SPS.
For example, bring back stats points and let us spend those in SKS/SPS, CRIT, DH and DET + Remove all SKS from gear.

SKS can be random while you're working on your BiS, having your SKS always set to your prefered SKS would be amazing.

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Originally Posted by E_Ballard

I'm not exactly sure why hasn't Skill and Spell speed been consolidated into a single Haste stat yet.

Skill speed on tank gear has the issue of only benefiting 2 of the 4 tanks, PLD becomes slightly worse compared to DRK since part of its burst are all Spells.

Stop giving me the illusion of choice when there's none!

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I see...
Don't change anything.

With enough Skill/Spell Speed. Your CD is shorter and you attack more often, more Dps and more Regen via skills that Regen

Except that there is a soft and hard cap.

The other problem with speed is that it can be forced on a job that doesnt want it. I like a clean 2.5 GCD tyvm.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Skillspeed isn't worthless, it's mandatory.
The problem is that the best skillspeed depends from one player to another.

There are some jobs that absolutely wants lower GCD, BLM I believe.
There are some jobs that just wants a set SKS like SAM, NIN, MNK, GNB...
There are some jobs that wants 0 SKS, I believe the whole ranged role doesn't want SKS, DRG and RPR, DRK doesn't need SKS.

IMO, the player should have easier control over the SKS/SPS.
For example, bring back stats points and let us spend those in SKS/SPS, CRIT, DH and DET + Remove all SKS from gear.

SKS can be random while you're working on your BiS, having your SKS always set to your prefered SKS would be amazing.

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BRD & DNC both want a small bit of speed to slip one extra GCD into their buffs. Same for SMN getting an extra GCD in both Bahamut and Phoenix by going with 2.48 instead of 2.50

SkS/SpS has always been the problem stat. You either

a.) NEED to have a certain amount.
b.) Avoid it like the plague because it screws your rotation/weaving.

In both cases SkS/SpS on gear that you have no choice over is just bad.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

IMO, the player should have easier control over the SKS/SPS.
For example, bring back stats points and let us spend those in SKS/SPS, CRIT, DH and DET + Remove all SKS from gear.

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I like this idea.

I'd remove Tenacity, Piety, SkS and SpS from gear entirely and add something similar to WoW's Reforge system, where you can convert up to a set amount of one stat on your gear into a "Utility stat" (Pie, Ten, Haste, could even add new ones). In addition to melds that would give players plenty of control over how much of those stats they wanted, without making new pieces of gear feel bad.

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Originally Posted by Chopstix

The other problem with speed is that it can be forced on a job that doesnt want it. I like a clean 2.5 GCD tyvm.

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Which is needed for a few openers and such, like the Early gluttony opener on RPR. If you have barely any skill speed on your gear, it throws Plentiful Harvest off for a fraction of a second (meaning you're waiting for it unless you use another Soul Slice to avoid this happening).

Bad choice of a title, but I kind of agree with the post that others clearly didn't read. He's not calling the stat useless, just that skill and spell speed should be just merged into a haste stat.

It's a clickbait title, yes... But I did expect people to read the context since it wasn't even a wall of text.

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Originally Posted by E_Ballard

It's a clickbait title, yes... But I did expect people to read the context since it wasn't even a wall of text.

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Your new to game forums ? XD

Jokes aside people that heavily dissagree with what a title implies most of the time wont actually read the post and just go ME SMASH in the topic.

And to stay on topic i rather get more Crit or Direct Hit or ANY other stat on any Job/Class then Skill/Spell speed.
Does not make big enough change for me to feel it. i mean going from 2.5 to 2.45 or even 2.40 ? yeeeah no thx. if it would be atleast an Entire Second like going from 2.5 to 1.5 or maybe 2.0 if you heavily stack it then i would consider it.

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Originally Posted by Zordrage

Your new to game forums ? XD

Jokes aside people that heavily dissagree with what a title implies most of the time wont actually read the post and just go ME SMASH in the topic.

And to stay on topic i rather get more Crit or Direct Hit or ANY other stat on any Job/Class then Skill/Spell speed.
Does not make big enough change for me to feel it. i mean going from 2.5 to 2.45 or even 2.40 ? yeeeah no thx. if it would be atleast an Entire Second like going from 2.5 to 1.5 or maybe 2.0 if you heavily stack it then i would consider it.

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Eh, I definitely feel the difference between 2.5 and the go to 2.14 GCD on SAM. It may look like a small difference, but its definitely noticeable.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Eh, I definitely feel the difference between 2.5 and the go to 2.14 GCD on SAM. It may look like a small difference, but its definitely noticeable.

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Depending on the job even going from 2.50 to 2.40 isn't just noticeable, it is vital. Take gunbreaker for example, you literally can not execute your burst phase correctly at 2.50, but at 2.40 you can do it comfortably.

It really depends on what class you are playing that determines how useful that is. On Samurai for example, it can be pretty useless since one of the passives you get using it greatly increases your Skill Speed anyway. Then there classes like Warrior that doesn’t need any and just focuses on Crits, despite being the Tank, and doesn’t need any Skill Speed buffs.

There are some that needs some at least, like Gunzerker, but that’s just what I’ve heard since I haven’t tried it yet.

Its not useless on SAM. You don't need a lot, but still need some SkS to reach the standard 2.14s GCD unless you're going speedy boy build that goes under 2.0s.

Warrior Main here. I Unga'd for two years, and haven't played any other job class til recently. I had no clue what skill speed does (till I started playing BLM) and always max crit stats for my Bunga.

TL;DR: You have to Unga Crit to Bunga. If Bunga Skill Speed, Unga no wants.

Okay Bye.

Skill Speed just became the new Accuracy. It used to be "you need exactly X accuracy to hit the savage raid boss." Get to that cap and then every bit of accuracy over that worthless. With accuracy gone, the next one in line is Skill Speed. "You need to be a X skill speed to execute your rotation properly." It isn't any different.

Skill Speed has always been the black sheep of materia since ARR. There is no job that needs to go all-in on it (unlike BLM and Spell Speed).

Unpopular opinion warning:
I'd rather see a 95% accuracy cap and force players to adjust their rotations. No more brain-dead rotations like we have for every single job in the game. The game is too rigid in its expectations. Or rather, the game's playerbase is too rigid in its expectations. Every job has a set opener and rotation and if you can't do it, you are a terrible gamer and go home to "git gud." I'd love to see what would happen if we had random misses that necessitated adjusting our rotations around it. We'd have to actually think again.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

I'd rather see a 95% accuracy cap and force players to adjust their rotations.

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This would be utter trash and was done in 1st weeks of Savage raids before Acc became DH. Absolutely would be rage inducing and screw progression on Savage raids more just because I missed crucial OGCDS, no, just no.

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Originally Posted by Undeadfire

This would be utter trash and was done in 1st weeks of Savage raids before Acc became DH. Absolutely would be rage inducing and screw progression on Savage raids more just because I missed crucial OGCDS, no, just no.

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Not just oGCDs. When you need X resources at Y point in time, as is especially the case right now with the 2 minute meta, then lacking any of those resources because your combo finisher missed is a ridiculous dps loss. Worst case it could keep you from doing your burst under raid buffs at all.


Imagine missing your Gnashing Fang or missing your Requiescat, your entire combo is just gone immediately.

Skillspeed IS kinda worthless. I know you guys want to argue otherwise, but consider your argument - X amount of skillspeed is what you're talking about. Getting the right amount to make your rotation work right and do things like fit in 5/6 abilities during a burst window. In other words, what the Jobs SHOULD DO BASELINE. But after that, you don't want any more, as any more (other than for latency issues) is that many stat points you AREN'T putting into Crit, which is far better (and thus putting them in Skill Speed is a DPS loss) or, if the piece is already maxed on Crit, DH or Det, depending on your Job.

Spellspeed is even worse in this regard other than a niche SMN build which it actually makes drift out of its own party damage buff. BLM and SMN again have a "get X amount" issue and then don't want more, generally speaking. It gets even worse since RDM works on Dualcast, meaning if you DO get a lot of Spell Speed on your caster set, it's not sub-optimal if you throw on a Foil and want to go RDM a fight.

Healers have this same problem with SGE because Eukrasia doesn't benefit from Spell Speed, and in their case, too much Spell Speed can cause you MP issues if you aren't running a high Piety build, which is _ALSO_ a dps loss (because dps is king to everyone, even healers in this game, sadly...), meaning you go for Crit, Det, and counterintuitively for a role named healer, Direct Hit (which unlike Crit and Det which help heals, is 100% a damage stat that does not help heals) instead. At least with healers, in theory, priority is "Spell Speed to comfort, Piety to comfort, then Crit >>>> Det = DH". But with the caveat "to comfort" means "at a DPS loss" (even though, at least in theory, Spell Speed CONCEPTUALLY should be a dps gain since faster casts SHOULD mean more damage...yet it's still behind all the other stats!)

For that matter, Piety is a pretty meh stat, and Tenacity is highly underprized as a stat as well, only being marginally useful before 6.2 for WAR (since WAR was strongly averse to DH due to all its guaranteed Direct Hits), but I think post-6.2, that isn't even true anymore.

I think it's better at this point to just say stats/melds/gearing is just all kinds of messed up in FFXIV and needs a serious look in 7.0, if not sooner.

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Skillspeed IS kinda worthless. I know you guys want to argue otherwise, but consider your argument - X amount of skillspeed is what you're talking about. Getting the right amount to make your rotation work right and do things like fit in 5/6 abilities during a burst window. In other words, what the Jobs SHOULD DO BASELINE. But after that, you don't want any more, as any more (other than for latency issues) is that many stat points you AREN'T putting into Crit, which is far better (and thus putting them in Skill Speed is a DPS loss) or, if the piece is already maxed on Crit, DH or Det, depending on your Job.

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Yes and no. You want enough skillspeed to make your rotation work as a baseline depending on latency, but then you may also need more or less speed depending on fight timings. Warrior for example doesn't need any skill speed, but having a GCD of 2.50 actually leads to easily losing a GCD 44 seconds into the fight in P7S when Immortal's Obol knocks everyone into the air.

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Originally Posted by Jovaniph

Warrior Main here. I Unga'd for two years, and haven't played any other job class til recently. I had no clue what skill speed does (till I started playing BLM) and always max crit stats for my Bunga.

TL;DR: You have to Unga Crit to Bunga. If Bunga Skill Speed, Unga no wants.

Okay Bye.

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Ahhh, so you think unga is your ally. You merely adopted the bunga. I was born in ungabunga, molded by it.

Skill speed is valuable. Certain openers wouldn't function without it. Openers, I might add, that make or break the difference between the best and the rest.

Yes they should merge Skillsspeed and Spellspeed into Haste, haste already exists as a substat in the game.
Critical strike is also only one stat instead of having Spellcrit and Skillcrit.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Imagine missing your Gnashing Fang

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Shit GNB needs a rework. Put Bloodfest on a 10 second CD so I can Continuation all the time and spam BS + HV, Fated Circle and Gnashing Fang.

Let me relive my FFVIII combat childhood where I draw blue balls all the time.