People intentionally not rolling for 5 minutes

Hai.

So I noticed something, when doing some raids, and alliance raids, sometimes even dungeons, there're people who intentionally dont roll after run's over.

they just stand there for 5 minutes and roll within last 10 seconds or so.

I confronted a person about it and they said if they wait some people leave the group and they get bigger chance to obtain items.

is this griefing? is it reportable?

Not likely. But what you could do is roll and then if people aren't appearing to roll in what is usually the average time say:

"I've rolled going AFK for a few while I wait to see if I won"

Then just wait and see. Those trying to get people to be impatient and leave will suddenly be told that that won't work and they'll likely just roll to not waste their time.

I just make my rolls and then go get a drink. Maybe do a dance while I wait.

When there is a delay in completing the loot rolls, and I care, I'll wander back into the dungeon when that's possible, and check out the scenery -- some of it is pretty cool. That seems to make the point better than words could.

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

Not likely. But what you could do is roll and then if people aren't appearing to roll in what is usually the average time say:

"I've rolled going AFK for a few while I wait to see if I won"

Then just wait and see. Those trying to get people to be impatient and leave will suddenly be told that that won't work and they'll likely just roll to not waste their time.

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That or they'll call your bluff.

If you really do go afk or if you tab out and do something else then there's nothing they can really do and it doesn't matter. It's rarely worth it though.

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

they just stand there for 5 minutes and roll within last 10 seconds or so.

I confronted a person about it and they said if they wait some people leave the group and they get bigger chance to obtain items.

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It's nothing new. it's always the way.. ever since 3.0

you can only win one drop per week so people wait untill all the crap they dont want has been won. which then means all those people cant win the item they do want..

So what happens is timmy goes into a raid and wants the leg piece... he won't roll on the leg piece untill the other bits have been won..
jimmy however wants the body and wont roll untill everything else has been won..
molly wants the hants and wont roll until everything else has been won...

and thus everyone is stuck waiting for the whole 5 minutes..

they did up it so in theory everyone can win something. 8 drops 8 people.. but thats useless when 5 of them want the body and 3 want the legs.. the other 6 drops often go discarded or at keast some of them do.

then you get people who will pass everything they dont want. roll on the primary thing they want, but wont roll on the secondary thing they want unless they lose the primary roll.. if waiting 5 minutes means you dont have to run the content again its often seen as worth it..

It might take a minute or so in raids/alliance raids when they're new since you only get one piece of gear, so people will roll piecemeal prioritizing stuff they want.

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

Hai.

So I noticed something, when doing some raids, and alliance raids, sometimes even dungeons, there're people who intentionally dont roll after run's over.

they just stand there for 5 minutes and roll within last 10 seconds or so.

I confronted a person about it and they said if they wait some people leave the group and they get bigger chance to obtain items.

is this griefing? is it reportable?

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No and no. Time limit exists for a reason, if SE wanted it shorter they'd make it shorter.

Best response is [Roll for loot, please] auto translate and alt tab or just step away .

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

It might take a minute or so in raids/alliance raids when they're new since you only get one piece of gear, so people will roll piecemeal prioritizing stuff they want.

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This is why I say: Let's not waste anyone's time folks, say what you're looking for so we can either roll on it or pass on it.

or

"I'm just here for X Item, if you all could roll or pass on it, I'd appreciate it."

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

That or they'll call your bluff.

If you really do go afk or if you tab out and do something else then there's nothing they can really do and it doesn't matter. It's rarely worth it though.

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And what do you lose if they call your bluff vs saying nothing? It's not like that's going to shorten the timer.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

It's nothing new. it's always the way.. ever since 3.0

you can only win one drop per week so people wait untill all the crap they dont want has been won. which then means all those people cant win the item they do want..

So what happens is timmy goes into a raid and wants the leg piece... he won't roll on the leg piece untill the other bits have been won..
jimmy however wants the body and wont roll untill everything else has been won..
molly wants the hants and wont roll until everything else has been won...

and thus everyone is stuck waiting for the whole 5 minutes..

they did up it so in theory everyone can win something. 8 drops 8 people.. but thats useless when 5 of them want the body and 3 want the legs.. the other 6 drops often go discarded or at keast some of them do.

then you get people who will pass everything they dont want. roll on the primary thing they want, but wont roll on the secondary thing they want unless they lose the primary roll.. if waiting 5 minutes means you dont have to run the content again its often seen as worth it..

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Yeah I noticed that too, but its more common when drops include cosmetics like cards, mounts, pets, and scrolls. only had 1 similar experience with gear but tons of it with cosmetics

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Originally Posted by Seera1024

And what do you lose if they call your bluff vs saying nothing? It's not like that's going to shorten the timer.

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I'm just pointing out that it's not guaranteed that they'll instantly roll if they know you're willing to wait.

If it's something you really want then it's better to be prepared to wait and be ready to entertain yourself or keep busy elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

Hai.

So I noticed something, when doing some raids, and alliance raids, sometimes even dungeons, there're people who intentionally dont roll after run's over.

they just stand there for 5 minutes and roll within last 10 seconds or so.

I confronted a person about it and they said if they wait some people leave the group and they get bigger chance to obtain items.

is this griefing? is it reportable?

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It is not griefing nor reportable, i mean they could just say they are checking the stats and need time to decide on what to roll. So you basically don't have a case there at all.

It's still dirty tho and i can understand peoples anger about it.

I don't think it's reportable.
I always boiled it down to people AFK or try to wait it out that you will leave and they get the loot.

When this happens, I usually sit my character down and tell the ones holding off on rolling that I either have Netflix up on another screen or that I've got all day. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Either way I refuse to give them what they want, even if my rolls are low and I don't have the faintest chance of winning anything. If they want to be stubborn, so can I. It's really that simple.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

It is not griefing nor reportable, i mean they could just say they are checking the stats and need time to decide on what to roll. So you basically don't have a case there at all.

It's still dirty tho and i can understand peoples anger about it.

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Most of the time I see it's for cards, minions or music which tells you if you have it or not. Am I to believe they are looking up the music to see if they like it and listening to the whole thing before rolling?

I roll on the one I’m after the most and have another piece in mind as a plan B if I lose or there’s only a few seconds left so I give myself a chance if at least leaving with something I need on a job

Is there a reason for the roll to last that long? I feel like it's really not necessary. 2 minutes would be more than enough, 1:30 would be ideal. Square should reduce the time you can wait to roll and let those obnoxious creatures eat dirt.

I will just sit there and wait in hopes I actually win stuff if someone refuses to roll until the last minute. They are betting on everyone getting annoyed and leaving. I however have the patience and grumpy streak to ruin their plan. :)

They are right that some people leave if they wait, but not everyone does, so they shouldn't wait the full time.

Sometimes it's people doing this but sometimes they just went afk after the kill or they are watching a cutscene.

Its been a thing for a long time. The fault is really on the developers honestly. The loot timer to roll should be significantly shorter.

I have been guilty of this one when there was a jerk in my group and because you can't kick when looting up, They held me, hostage, by not looting the whole run I holed them hostage only the final chest.
As soon as the offending member leaves I loot and leave.

But I also think loot time should be reduced to 60 or 120 vs 300 seconds

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

Hai.

So I noticed something, when doing some raids, and alliance raids, sometimes even dungeons, there're people who intentionally dont roll after run's over.

they just stand there for 5 minutes and roll within last 10 seconds or so.

I confronted a person about it and they said if they wait some people leave the group and they get bigger chance to obtain items.

is this griefing? is it reportable?

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I do it to this day.
I pass on every peice of loot i dont want then wait to see if the peice i want is the last one left.
9 times out of 10 the casual players just hit need on everything and move on.

I wont sit there for 5 minutes, thats 100% grieifng, but ill wait ultil everything else has been rolled off, normally takes ~30 seconds

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

Hai.

So I noticed something, when doing some raids, and alliance raids, sometimes even dungeons, there're people who intentionally dont roll after run's over.

they just stand there for 5 minutes and roll within last 10 seconds or so.

I confronted a person about it and they said if they wait some people leave the group and they get bigger chance to obtain items.

is this griefing? is it reportable?

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Probably not. The game gives players 5 minutes to roll. I've seen people do it.

Makes me roll my eyes, but it doesn't bother me since I'm never playing the game when I know there's somewhere I have to be anyway. If they want to sit there and waste their own time, more power to 'em. I'll tab out and look something up or turn my attention to whatever I had on the TV for background noise.