astrologian minor arcana broken?

so ever since they merged arcana + crown play into 1 button, its now impossible to track the cooldown of arcana while you have a card drawn which basically means that i get punished for holding a card...?

theres no way that this design choice was actually thought through right?

anyone else notice this issue?

You'd think the cooldown would continue to show on the hotbar whilst the new card was drawn.

But then SE would need to actually pay attention to healer stuff to realise that.

Should I tap the sign again?

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they use the solution for the regular draw already so im unsure why its put into place like this on the minor arcana, either way its really hard to play without knowing the cooldown and i feel myself dropping cards way earlier than i should be to not overcap them :/

Not only can you not track the cooldown, but also you can't overwrite a useless lady in lower-end contents where it's just an overheal, so you're forced to use up 1 weaving slot.

it's so painful when you use the minor card and realize your minor arcana is already cooldown over
honestly that is just a annoying job adjustment, obstruct your damage/healing resource management

I'm just over here thinking with the deletion of Crown Play, they got it half right. Just have one more half to nuke and we're good in this regard.

Yeah it seems that they just made more trouble this this adjustement. Can't see cooldown, can't overwrite useless arcanas, can't double weave .
I'd rather have the old system back.

They clearly didn't let that healer who got too good at the role test the changes

So I’ve only tested all healers except SGE (will get on to that later..) a while ago.. Such an oversight, they really did not test these changes themselves did they? Or rather, they did but had this “This oughta be good for AST who got 1 Lady & wanna keep it just in case :3c”-thought running in their head.

I mean I get it, 1 less button to worry about but they could’ve added the cooldown timer to the gauge if they can’t really implement it to the hotbar for whatever reason.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

they could’ve added the cooldown timer to the gauge if they can’t really implement it to the hotbar for whatever reason.

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This would defintiely be a welcomed addition to the job HUD, although, I imagined that they would have considered something like this when consolidating the skills together in the first place.

Feels like they just copied over the function of how it was in previous expansions, but we didn't have to track Minor Arcana as it had a 1 second recast and was limited in use due to the fact that it was a way of converting a currently drawn card into a Lord/Lady, rather than pulling one out of thin air on an independant timer.

Seems like they forgot to consider that part.

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Originally Posted by Sunhwapark

This would defintiely be a welcomed addition to the job HUD, although, I imagined that they would have considered something like this when consolidating the skills together in the first place.

Feels like they just copied over the function of how it was in previous expansions, but we didn't have to track Minor Arcana as it had a 1 second recast and was limited in use due to the fact that it was a way of converting a currently drawn card into a Lord/Lady, rather than pulling one out of thin air on an independant timer.

Seems like they forgot to consider that part.

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It's just on oversight and will very likely get hotfixed to show the timer in the very next maintenance, which saddens me as AST has not only button bloat, but skill bloat as well

I am indifferent to this change because I already nuked Minor Arcana off of my crossbar and hotbars. Totally tacked on and completely redundant skill.

I should post the video I have in the Sephirot unreal trial where everyone is dead except me and I tickle the boss with Lord of Crowns before he proceeds to eat my face with an auto attack. I don't know why, but I couldn't stop laughing xD

Hey Guys,

I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Hey Guys,

I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...76/unknown.png

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Or maybe the developers could have actually paid attention and realised that this would have been an issue? There are a multitude of ways SE can fix this with a timer on the job UI probably being the most straight forward.

As for crown play needing to be there, don't make me laugh. Are you forgetting that this is how Draw originally functioned back in Heavensward? Stormblood splitting it into separate Draw & Play keys was also a significant regression at the time and similarly required a later patch to correct things. Crown Play being a distinct key from Minor Arcana was and always would have been pure and simple button bloat.

You're not getting the slightest bit of an apology out of me for that.

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Hey Guys,

I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

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What in the world are on you on?

The people giving feedback wanted the two skills on one button like SE has proven with other skills is entirely possible but they borked it and naturally, players are unhappy. There are enough ways to solve it, they chose the worst way of implementing it and now you're demanding apologies from the players like you have any authority or moral high ground?

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Hey Guys,

I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...76/unknown.png

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Not gonna apologize for obvious button bloat. Minor Arcana/Crown Play being separate buttons is completely unnecessary, just like Draw/Play being separate buttons. And I'm hoping that latter one gets changed in the next major patch.

As for having to "find a solution", they could always just add an element to the job gauge which shows the current cooldown of Minor Arcana.

Eh I don’t mind it. I count in my head lol.

When Draw/Play were the same button in 4.x, Draw's recast doesn't start counting until you use Play, so cards had to be used asap instead of waiting for the burst. But at that time cards were 30 secs so it was less of a problem.

I can only think of 3 ways:
1. Add a recast timer to the UI. You still can't overwrite Lady but you can live with it in most situations.
2. Revert the merge. Ast's button bloat is still on the bearable side to me. But if you must, maybe remove Draw/Draw Crown all together, and let the cards draw themselves automatically over time like all other jobs' resources? I mean auto draw was already implemented once when Sleeve Draw was a mess at around 5.1.
3. Auto use Lady/Lord after 60 seconds. Lord bursting itself might be a problem aggroing stuff in dungeons or the open world though.

I'm posting this as another reply because it's a totally unrelated idea.
Maybe remove the randomness in the Crowns and make Lady and Lord 2 separate abilities?
This way Lady can be preplanned in fights and people can always use their Lord while getting rid of the timer problem.
Please don't make them share the same recast time though as it'll turn it into another Energy Drain dilemma.

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Originally Posted by TakumiHarada

When Draw/Play were the same button in 4.x, Draw's recast doesn't start counting until you use Play, so cards had to be used asap instead of waiting for the burst. But at that time cards were 30 secs so it was less of a problem.

I can only think of 3 ways:
1. Add a recast timer to the UI. You still can't overwrite Lady but you can live with it in most situations.
2. Revert the merge. Ast's button bloat is still on the bearable side to me. But if you must, maybe remove Draw/Draw Crown all together, and let the cards draw themselves automatically over time like all other jobs' resources? I mean auto draw was already implemented once when Sleeve Draw was a mess at around 5.1.
3. Auto use Lady/Lord after 60 seconds. Lord bursting itself might be a problem aggroing stuff in dungeons or the open world though.

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4. Delete Minor Arcana

If anyone can make a case for their continued existence, and/or other ways they could be implemented, I would be glad to read them. But Minor Arcana in its present state has got to go.

This does beg the question as to it being a lv 70 cap ability, and to that I think other abilities can be shifted around a bit to compensate. Lightspeed is also a really powerful ability to gain access to at such an early level. It becomes much more useful in the latter levels.

This might be all moot anyway though since they will be reworking the cards yet again come next expansion. In the meantime I just say nuke it. Trust me when I say you will feel liberated of this back of bricks.

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Hey Guys,

I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...76/unknown.png

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You need to realize that, we want 1 key to process minor arcana doesn't mean we don't need to see the skill count down.
Why players have to apologize when developers doing a terrible adjustment????

Players are providing some solution such as setting addition to the job HUD.

It's easier to complain about the players, developers should be careful what they adjust for.

Instead of adding it to the UI, they could just give the held Lord/Lady arcanum a duration of 60s. That lines up with the recast timer and means that you could /statusoff Lady of Crowns, or just let it expire.

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Originally Posted by YusiKha

Instead of adding it to the UI, they could just give the held Lord/Lady arcanum a duration of 60s. That lines up with the recast timer and means that you could /statusoff Lady of Crowns, or just let it expire.

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Now this is the first good solution I've seen.
Cause even just adding the timer wouldn't solve having to click a Lady just to waste it. But then even like this I'd still like the numbers on, to keep track of time, plus it's still a problem with double-weaving, so idk.

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Originally Posted by YusiKha

Instead of adding it to the UI, they could just give the held Lord/Lady arcanum a duration of 60s.

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I considered that too when writing my first post and while I am not entirely opposed to it, we would lose the ability to save a Lord of Crowns + attempt to roll for a second one under burst window conditions. A timer on the UI would at least indicate that we have the ability available to re-cast without also having to sacrifice the current flexibility of use.

Just change it to GCD(no cast-time and increase potency so we can walk too)Assize card dmg+heal with cd on it and what i need is Auto-draw function and remove draw button and place it on play instead(with 3 stack with 20sec cd like whm's lily) to see how many i can play. auto-draw is active when your hand is empty. DONE.

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Originally Posted by Heilstos

Hey Guys,

I have warned about this change in the forum. And most players wanted the "crown play" to go away. I understood the reason why "Crown Play" had to be there.

Now the players who had this wish have to apologize for it. I don't see the fault of the developers, who now have to find a solution for this. But hey, it's easier to complain about the developers. You should be careful what you wish for.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...76/unknown.png

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Here folks we have a textbook stupidity 101.
When players that wanted Qol change, the devs implement it but done it poorly so its the player not the dev fault for asking.

First, nobody will say sorry to you so get off you high horse your "highness" and realize that what you spouted is stupid.

Second, like any implement it has bugs ppl know it and brought it up to get it fix, no fault there and they allowed to critiq them cause SE never mention they were aware in the job guide or in their known bugs(not that i aware off if did then fine)

Third, the idle option would be able to pick merged or seperate mode for draw and minor arcana but as mentions that mean they would have to care which shown by aero better then dia patch moment despite their talk,they dont.

So instead you demanding from us an apology we need to demand that from you.

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4. Delete Minor Arcana

If anyone can make a case for their continued existence, and/or other ways they could be implemented, I would be glad to read them. But Minor Arcana in its present state has got to go.

This does beg the question as to it being a lv 70 cap ability, and to that I think other abilities can be shifted around a bit to compensate. Lightspeed is also a really powerful ability to gain access to at such an early level. It becomes much more useful in the latter levels.

This might be all moot anyway though since they will be reworking the cards yet again come next expansion. In the meantime I just say nuke it. Trust me when I say you will feel liberated of this back of bricks.

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I posted a a fun rework idea for the healers involving AST's draw and minor arcana change that synergized it with its 1,2 combo into an ender, but would require the job be reimagined almost bard-like.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

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My memory might be betraying me but I am almost certain that we had timers on the job gauge for the old Stormblood cards.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

My memory might be betraying me but I am almost certain that we had timers on the job gauge for the old Stormblood cards.

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I also think that was the case...although its been a long time. XD

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

My memory might be betraying me but I am almost certain that we had timers on the job gauge for the old Stormblood cards.

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Yes it was

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