With the advent of the new vfx gear, it seems that SE is starting to look at gear rewards in a different light. We don't know for sure that the gear is Savage-only yet. It could be normal gear. But I definitely will be encouraging this trend toward thinking outside the box on what can be used as a reward besides the ability to dye.
This is such a fundamental process in games nowadays, I would really like to see the ability to dye just become standard. I did like that we could unlock it with just a role quest for the Artifact gear, but I think they can give us something else for those quests besides the ability to dye.
For harder content, vfx is a great idea. I've also long been a proponent of set bonuses. There is concern that that might be a drawback since BiS is often a mixture, but then again if they had set bonuses then maybe BiS could stay the gear that's harder to obtain. I'm sure there are other options they can consider as rewards related to gear.
So tl;dr, SE please make the ability to dye gear a standard feature and no longer consider it something that needs to be a reward for certain content.
Can we start making dyeable gear the standard?
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08-18-2022, 10:24 AMTaleraRistainCan we start making dyeable gear the standard?
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08-18-2022, 11:40 AMDarthgummibear
This. I don't do savage progression, and the dyable stuff I want is all locked behind savage meaning I don't even have incentive to run the normals aside from roulettes.
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08-18-2022, 11:48 AMOizen
If they're going to start putting vfx on savage gear they could only put it on the savage counterpart and let the normal version be dyeable.
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08-18-2022, 12:12 PMMomo_Kozuki
I don't really like vfx, but I think it has a more visible bragging-right value compared to just dyeable version of raid gear. Like, everyone in the town can see you being flashy with your vfx, but pretty much only a handful actually pays attention on how you dye your gear. There is this Viera in my server that just afk stand near the Aetheryte spinning his Ultimate-raid AST globe for like half of a day. No one would give a care normally, but the vfx is eye-catching, making him more memorable than the butler outfit he has on.
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08-18-2022, 01:00 PMJeeqbit
That would be ideal, but the developers seem to find that too difficult judging by this post.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Request-Thread -
08-18-2022, 05:03 PMTaleraRistainThis is less about making things that can't be dyed at all dyeable and more about not putting the ability to dye something as a reward, any reward, even a simple questline. That it's something that's just natively available if there's going to be a dyeable version of something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeqbit
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08-18-2022, 05:08 PMTaleraRistainVFX, different appearances, "hey this has a sick cape when the normal version doesn't", set bonuses, sparkles - I honestly don't care what MacGuffin they attach. Just for the love of the Twelve, let me dye my normal raid gear and Artifact gear and any other type of gear where dyeing gets locked to make it a puffed up reward instead of providing a real reward. It's like the participation trophy of rewards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki
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08-18-2022, 05:23 PMUkcsAliasThe cape on that makes it a completely diffirent piece though, since there can be reasons not to want a cape (tail). Sparkles on that can actualy be just a disruptive effect that adds visual clutter. You might not want that either.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaleraRistain
I think a grindy way would be the best solution, where savage can give the reward instantly, the alternative would be to be able to gather a resource over time to remove this restriction (for example require 50 expert clears to unlock the dyable part on 1 gear piece). -
08-18-2022, 05:56 PMSkivvy
Would love for this to be a thing. There are too many pieces of undyeable gear that use custom colors that just so happen to NOT match any of our available dyes. :/
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08-18-2022, 06:04 PMJeeqbit
The gear from savage being dyeable does motivate people to raid for it. I'm not sure if it would be a good idea, especially if the VFX don't happen in future tiers.
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08-19-2022, 02:09 PMTaleraRistainMotivate them with something else. The only reason we think being able to dye is an acceptable reward is because they've used it as a reward in this game. It's pretty standard in most other games. It's time for SE to stop treating being free to choose the color of our armor as a reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeqbit
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08-19-2022, 02:10 PMVahlnirI think that would be a fair compromise if VFX is the plan for future tiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oizen
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08-19-2022, 03:04 PMkevin_satron
nah, let them locked behind savage.
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08-20-2022, 07:22 PMTaleraRistainWhy? Shouldn't Savage get more than a pity reward?Quote:
Originally Posted by kevin_satron
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08-21-2022, 06:59 PMPacketdancerI actually like that the BiS is a mixture of the tomestone and savage sets, though I admit it's for a selfish reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaleraRistain
Namely, given the oft-used priority system most statics have of "tanks don't get to roll on anything until the DPS have all their gear from a fight, and healers don't get to roll on anything until the tanks have all their gear from the fight", I am in favor of any BiS system where I maybe only have to wait for three or four people to get their gloves or boots or whatever before I, as a healer, can roll on them -- as opposed to waiting for six other people. ;P
I don't really otherwise disagree that it's kind of unfortunate that only the savage stuff can be dyed. I know a lot of people who really wanted the Edenchoir fending armor, or the Edenmorn fending or maiming armors, and were greatly sad that the Edencall and Edenmete versions were the same models but not dyable.
Especially because the raid armor -- normal or savage -- is only useful/relevant as glamour when the tier is no longer current.
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08-21-2022, 10:22 PMVyrerus
I'm in favor of this. Savage already gives out a mount at the end, as well as unique weapons, so letting the normal mode gear dye would be great.
If they really wanted to, they could make it the same model and have them dye differently, to keep glamour in as an incentive for savage too. As long as both sets dye, that still counts, right? -
08-21-2022, 10:42 PMWinterfang
If they're going to start making gear have some additional razzle dazzle to them, then the normal version could be the same without the added effects.
Would make the gear from both difficulties desirable -
08-22-2022, 03:39 AMnot_ya_wifyWoah! People have been asking to make the NPC mogstation outfits dyable for 5 years and they STILL haven't done it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeqbit
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08-22-2022, 02:55 PMTofuPenguin
I don't know why it isn't the standard either. And what's worse is when they ARE dyable, half the time their dyed colors don't match anything else. I really despise the inconsistent color palettes they use.
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08-22-2022, 03:52 PMAbsurdityWhat? You don't love it when you dye your plate armor and it suddenly looks like plastic?Quote:
Originally Posted by TofuPenguin
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08-22-2022, 04:44 PMLuciaMirain
As a savage/ultimate raider AND a massive glammer I am torn about this. It is for me a bit of a thing that I get to have something others don't have access to. I put in all the work to get the gear dyable and it is a pride thing to be able to wear a chestpiece that is dyed between all the people standing there in their undyed gear. I would probably not use a VFX piece (except weapons) because it would be an eyesore and it would be hard to mix and match with other gear in the game. Which means there would have to be a toggable option when it comes to regular gear and then we are back to we look the same without having put in the same amount of effort.
I do think they are moving in that direction with making AF gear that was locked behind extreme content obtainable through pvp. I get that people want it but...you can basically always go back and unsync content at get the gear then. It doesnt take alot of time, really. -
08-23-2022, 01:09 AMLittleImp
I think it's a fun little cosmetic reward for people who do savage.
The great thing with Savage is that it all eventually becomes super accessible via unsync, so its just a matter of waiting a few patches if someone doesn't have the drive, time or skillset to do on-content savage.
Plenty of other games lock cosmetics and recolors of gear behind optional hard content. Are you sure you aren't just frustrated that something you want is locked behind something you don't want to do?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaleraRistain
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08-23-2022, 04:41 AMPacketdancerTo be fair, most games I can think of do not lock the ability to get a version of the same gear that you can dye behind said content.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleImp
A different recolor of a thing (or one with different dye channels)? Sure. A mount? Absolutely. A special weapon? Yep. All of those, I can think of many other games where they lock the acquisition of those things behind harder content. But the ability to dye the gear at all is one I can't offhand recall other games really utilizing. It is a little bit of an odd choice by SQEX.
Now, I'm going to be running savage regardless, because I enjoy the content. But I do find the no-longer-relevant savage gear sometimes still glamour-relevant; I still use the Edengrace caster top (dyed Dalamud red, for RDM), as well as the Edenchoir fending helm (it goes startlingly well with the level 90 paladin artifact gear, and dying the helm pure white makes it a perfect match color-wise), and the Edenmorn maiming jacket (which is some S-tier reaper glamour).
And I have friends who do not have much interest in savage who are sad they would need to go do savage in order to get the versions of any of those pieces of gear which they could dye.
This is why I actually think the more simple solution would be to let you trade in the normal tokens at 3x the cost of the savage tokens in order to get the savage gear once the raid is an expansion past. It would give more glamour options to people, and would actually give some use to those tokens you always get in normal raid roulette and immediately throw out (or flee the instance before they end up in your inventory in the first place).
But I also think that once alliance raids are an expansion past, you should be able to buy the gear from that raid with the raid tokens. E.g., now that we're in Endwalker, if you wanted the YoRHa Type-55 fending top from the NieR raids... instead of having to run Puppets' Bunker over and over and pray the YoRHa Type-55 coat of fending drops for glamour, you could just go spend 5 of the Puppets' Coins items to buy the coat.
Adding extra items to NPC vendors once something is no longer current is a much easier change to make on both a technical level -- and, one assumes, an institutional/design policy one -- than changing out how they handle normal vs savage raid gear.
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08-23-2022, 09:44 AMTaleraRistainSo long as it wasn't something like you can only use X or Y colors on normal and then Savage is anything, then I'd be fine with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyrerus
I just hate that we keep getting these really great styles with gear and then it's white...or black...or grey.
I'm frustrated SE treats something like choosing your own gear color as something that needs to be a reward instead of being standard. I believe I mentioned earlier in the thread that the role quests also did this and I did those and still don't like that one part of the reward was dyeing gear. I'd rather have real, actual rewards for putting effort into doing something.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleImp
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08-23-2022, 10:34 AMDoozerThe least they could do is make replica versions of savage gear from the previous tier/expansion available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeqbit
An item I got from winning a contest (not sweepstakes) was added for a Moogle tomestone event for literally 1 tomestone and it was the exact same version and not a replica. I think it's fair to just add dyeable stuff once it's no longer hot content.