Can you please add a daily queue for Hidden Gorge/Rival Wings?

Rival Wings is so much more fun than Frontlines, not least of which because its a fair 1v1 instead of a 1v1v1 free for all where you have a 66% chance of losing. Rival Wings is always active during the moogle treasure trove event because people actually like playing it and it has a good reward attached. If they don't add it to Daily Challenge or give it its own daily reward, its going to die no matter what they do to the actual game mode. I hate having to organize with discord to get matches or just wait until the end of a patch because they have refused to give it a decent incentive for queuing for it over a Frontline daily challenge.

All modes should have daily roulettes.

PvP challenge log should be expanded.

No. No more dailies. It's bad enough Frontline gets people that are only there for xp and don't care to actually play.

It's not like the community organized Rival Wings games or the tomestones ones were high-quality. With or without roulettes, the games will be awful because the player base is awful.

I believe they actually said they would do this some years ago. Back then some people suggested they roll rival wings into the Frontline daily. Not sure when this will happen.

Yes please, we've been askng for this for years.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

It's not like the community organized Rival Wings games or the tomestones ones were high-quality. With or without roulettes, the games will be awful because the player base is awful.

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If the playerbase is so awful for this game, let's just shut donw the game altogether?

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

No. No more dailies. It's bad enough Frontline gets people that are only there for xp and don't care to actually play.

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I'll take a mode that actually pops with some bad apples in it over one that doesn't pop at all unless people no-life to make t pop once-twice a week.
As much as I hate people who don't even try in FL cause they're only in for xp, without them not even FL would ever pop. Even more so since it requires a crapload of people, unlike RW, a more fun format and requiring much less people and not popping regardless.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Yes please, we've been askng for this for years.


If the playerbase is so awful for this game, let's just shut donw the game altogether?

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Nah, no need, all the other content in the game allows you to bypass the mediocrity. Just delete PVP.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

Nah, no need, all the other content in the game allows you to bypass the mediocrity. Just delete PVP.

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Ok edgelord.
"delete this content cause I think it's lame even though others enjoy it, also I am the supreme emperor of the universe"

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

Nah, no need, all the other content in the game allows you to bypass the mediocrity. Just delete PVP.

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I'm at that point where I'm bringing potions with me to old 4 man content because of my lack of trust for today's tanks and healers. I'll rather pvp than deal with that on a daily basis.

Ya I don't really understand why they are not part of the frontline roulette.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

Nah, no need, all the other content in the game allows you to bypass the mediocrity. Just delete PVP.

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The non-PvP content in this game is content where mediocrity is successful. If you have skill, you can carry games, even frontlines.

Yeah, you CAN carry Frontlines. I won like 18 games 2 days ago in Onsal Hakair because I was carrying so well. But statistically, you're still playing a game with 3 teams and have a 2/3 chance of losing. Sometimes you just get the raw end of the deal in terms of teammate/spawn luck, ect and you're more likely to get a bad deal than not. At least with Rival Wings you can't blame a third spoiler team, its just two sides. An Aeon of Strife Style Fortress Assault Game Going On Two Sides even.

And the main thing is, if you want the mode to actually be active and have matches pop, you're gonna have to put it on a roulette. When Frontlines offer double the rewards to Rival Wings, no one is going to queue for Rival Wings. The mode will be dead within a few days of 6.2 launch.

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Originally Posted by BabaM

But statistically, you're still playing a game with 3 teams and have a 2/3 chance of losing...you're more likely to get a bad deal than not.

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Not if you carry games.

https://i.imgur.com/BwwTWj0.png

I am 100% solo queue too.

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Originally Posted by BabaM

But statistically, you're still playing a game with 3 teams and have a 2/3 chance of losing.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ZrHrdroHyR.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9x9f1pahQ0.png

It depends of people either they have skill issue or not :)

What is that picture supposed to prove? you have a close to 50% win rate on Rival Wings and a 62% lose rate in front lines. Like I said, 2/3 chances of losing. Thanks for the proof.

It proves that if you are a god-tier Frontlines player that doesn't need a premade, you will be good enough to win more than 3 games out of 10...

You'll be able to win.... 4 games out of 10 !!!!

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Originally Posted by Geryth

Not if you carry games.

https://i.imgur.com/BwwTWj0.png

I am 100% solo queue too.

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What exactly are you carrying? You are under 50% win rate...lol

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

You'll be able to win.... 4 games out of 10 !!!!

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Exactly. Across that 1,000 games I'm up 100 wins over losses than I would be being an average player playing the game of chance. That shaves weeks off of mount and title grinds. It's more malmstone rewards. It's more experience for my alt jobs (nearly all my XP in this game has been earned via PvP, where 2nd place matters a lot too). That one extra game every 10 matters a whole fucking lot when you want a title requiring 300 wins.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

What exactly are you carrying? You are under 50% win rate...lol

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In a game with 3 teams you're very silly to think sub 50% means I'm not carrying my games. Maybe go back to middle school math?

You're really telling people to go back to middle school when you've completely missed the entire point of this thread?

Fact: you are statistically more likely to lose than win. There are outliers, but I didn't say it was impossible to carry, in fact, as I said, I won 18 games in one day. Its possible. But the average result is more losses than wins.

Secondly, this is a thread about why Rival Wings should be on a queue, not so you can show off your frankly pathetic win rate.

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Originally Posted by BabaM

You're really telling people to go back to middle school when you've completely missed the entire point of this thread?

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I was responding specifically to someone who said "all the other content in the game allows you to bypass the mediocrity. Just delete PVP." He was whining about having teammates who, by being mediocre, don't allow him to be an awesome elitist to win all the games and get all the prizes. He seems to have missed the point that all other FFXIV content is made for mediocrity to thrive.

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Originally Posted by BabaM

Fact: you are statistically more likely to lose than win. There are outliers, but I didn't say it was impossible to carry, in fact, as I said, I won 18 games in one day. Its possible. But the average result is more losses than wins.

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And I proved over 1,000 games sample size that you can significantly push those odds into your favor. I didn't share some pitiful 18 game sample size. Where did this "hurr durr 50%" threshold come from? In a 3 game mode you should have on average a 33% chance to win. If you play well you can overcome mediocrity and reap rewards in whatever form that means to you. Quicker mounts and titles (where only wins matter). More experience for leveling alt-jobs and getting malmstone rewards and more wolf marks (where second place matters too, which everyone is ignoring).

Edit: Wait, yes I do see that you first said "on average you're going to lose 2/3 of your games". Funny to see you move the goal post to "losing more than winning on average" after I proved you wrong with a significant sample size.

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Originally Posted by BabaM

Secondly, this is a thread about why Rival Wings should be on a queue, not so you can show off your frankly pathetic win rate.

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Someone came in here to say "delete PvP cause wah wah my teammates bad". I responded to that, with a side comment about Frontlines. You are actually the one who leaned into frontlines as a focus of discussion. And a 41+% first place rate over 1000+ games where the best most can hope for is hovering around 33%, where I'm only 1 out of 24 players on the team, is absolutely significant. It doesn't matter how you try to downplay or ignore it. I countered your opinion with proof, and all you have left is insults.

If you have skill, you will overcome teammates who bring you down, plain and simple.

Someone was pointing out that a roulette would bring in more XP farmers which would hurt games.

My point was that it doesn't matter because the Rival Wings games are already trash.

I am well-aware that it is possible to carry games, otherwise something like this wouldn't happen in Rival Wings:

https://i.imgur.com/hyDmYpU.png

(not mine, best I got was like 20 in a row).

This is not a : I want them to delete PVP because I am unable to win. This is a : I want them to delete PVP because not enough people care about it enough to make it competitive and fun. The only way they can bring enough people for large scale PVP modes is by giving PVE rewards regardless if you win or lose. Of course some people enjoy it and I am fully aware that I want those modes gone for my own selfish reasons (don't want to grind those 1000 win achievements with how lame the games are).

If those modes truly were enjoyed by many people, they would be active without PVE incentives and people would play them for fun, but they don't.

So, sure, if you're keeping them, bring in a Rival Wings roulette. It is the only way to make that mode pop without organizing community events or putting the duty as part of a moogle tomestones thing.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

This is not a : I want them to delete PVP because I am unable to win. This is a : I want them to delete PVP because not enough people care about it enough to make it competitive and fun.

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Fair enough, I did indeed misunderstand your point. Apologies for misrepresenting your message with my own assumptions.

Oh hey, would you look at that. Patch day and there is a 30+ (infinite) minute queue for Rival Wings. I called it. No one is queuing because its not a daily roulette. You can't even queue for it at the same time as other PVP modes, you have to queue for it exclusively. That basically means that no one will ever queue for it over Frontlines or CC unless the tomestone event is on. I don't understand why the devs keep putting in so much work into Rival Wings only to ensure that it is a dead game mode due to their own refusal to give it a unique queue. Its not dead because no one wants to play it, its dead purely because of SE's actions.

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Originally Posted by BabaM

Oh hey, would you look at that. Patch day and there is a 30+ (infinite) minute queue for Rival Wings. I called it. No one is queuing because its not a daily roulette. You can't even queue for it at the same time as other PVP modes, you have to queue for it exclusively. That basically means that no one will ever queue for it over Frontlines or CC unless the tomestone event is on. I don't understand why the devs keep putting in so much work into Rival Wings only to ensure that it is a dead game mode due to their own refusal to give it a unique queue. Its not dead because no one wants to play it, its dead purely because of SE's actions.

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Probably the same reason they added a competitive team-based game mode and then don't care to add the ability to actually queue with a team. Or the same reason there's been a game breaking bug that affects Onsal Hakair for like 4 months now with no fix in sight.

They either don't know what they are doing in regards to PvP or just don't care to fully focus on it and make it actually good.

It's a shame because it has a ton of potential.

I think it may get better once people have farmed the latest rewards from playing cc and have achieved their rank.

But yeah, I wish there was a daily roulette for rival wings.

Like I said before, I could have sworn they promised to do that several years ago before pulling rival wings.

Got shot down on leddit cause I said that the queues during primetime still wouldn't pop due to the need to actually go to the pvp tab instead of hitting roulette, which players are conditioned to do. No new players, no games will pop, no one will sit in queue, dead mode.

I was greatly looking forward to trying Rival Wings for the first time in 6.2, only to be disappointed when I can't even play the game mode that SE apparently just revamped. It's hard to believe that all this work went into redoing Rival Wings, but no incentive whatsoever was given to play it. Nobody I know has been able to get in. Frontlines has a roulette and CC is the easiest source of Series EXP, but this doesn't seem to offer anything in comparison. It isn't even an item in my WT journal.

It's a shame, because Frontlines is the only activity in FF14 that I actively dislike and Rival Wings looked like a great alternative for earning the Silver Garo horse. I just can't believe that the whole mode is actually dead on arrival.

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Originally Posted by AntriosVeron

It isn't even an item in my WT journal.

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This is the worst thing because before the revamp it was in tails. Now not even that....

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Originally Posted by BabaM

Rival Wings is so much more fun than Frontlines, not least of which because its a fair 1v1 instead of a 1v1v1 free for all where you have a 66% chance of losing. Rival Wings is always active during the moogle treasure trove event because people actually like playing it and it has a good reward attached. If they don't add it to Daily Challenge or give it its own daily reward, its going to die no matter what they do to the actual game mode. I hate having to organize with discord to get matches or just wait until the end of a patch because they have refused to give it a decent incentive for queuing for it over a Frontline daily challenge.

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this 1000%

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

No. No more dailies. It's bad enough Frontline gets people that are only there for xp and don't care to actually play.

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Would you rather rival wings be dead outside of moogle events?

Could be because the journals are valid for two weeks and there are multiple versions around.
As they removed it during the revamp they might still bring it back.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Would you rather rival wings be dead outside of moogle events?

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just ignore that person. All they do on the forums is complain in every single post lol.

Also about the Tails thing, it's actually on it, I got it this week on an alt.

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Originally Posted by BabaM

Oh hey, would you look at that. Patch day and there is a 30+ (infinite) minute queue for Rival Wings. I called it. No one is queuing because its not a daily roulette. You can't even queue for it at the same time as other PVP modes, you have to queue for it exclusively. That basically means that no one will ever queue for it over Frontlines or CC unless the tomestone event is on. I don't understand why the devs keep putting in so much work into Rival Wings only to ensure that it is a dead game mode due to their own refusal to give it a unique queue. Its not dead because no one wants to play it, its dead purely because of SE's actions.

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I literally forgot its back and I love Hidden Gorge. They put in all this effort into the mode and then fail at the finish line by not giving it a daily roulette.

Been trying since 6.2 release and always +30 minute, prime time or not.
It would have been a different way to farm Series XP but nope, i guess i gotta wait some groups organizing a single day of Hidden Gorge, great...