Solution #1

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07-31-2022, 07:08 AM
Xel

Solution #1

Let us switch our classes in the holding area, just like the frontline. There's no reason not to do this. It would allow teams to compensate if they get, say, 3 tanks and 2 healers without requiring a new code. I mean, since you have the same code in frontline already. It would also promote the health of CC, letting me go in on a tank, get XP for a tank, but play a decent class(looking at you, GNB :sadface:)

There's no reason to do this because if, for some obscene reason, a meta like 5 WAR or 5 WHM arose, then even if everyone started playing skill would take the fore instead of RNG BS.

Agree? Disagree? Prove it with math!
07-31-2022, 07:28 AM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

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Originally Posted by Xel

Let us switch our classes in the holding area, just like the frontline. There's no reason not to do this. It would allow teams to compensate if they get, say, 3 tanks and 2 healers without requiring a new code. I mean, since you have the same code in frontline already. It would also promote the health of CC, letting me go in on a tank, get XP for a tank, but play a decent class(looking at you, GNB :sadface:)

There's no reason to do this because if, for some obscene reason, a meta like 5 WAR or 5 WHM arose, then even if everyone started playing skill would take the fore instead of RNG BS.

Agree? Disagree? Prove it with math!

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Great-PVP-idea

TL;DR:

Only works if you don't actually see the jobs of the enemy until the job lock is in place, otherwise it could end up a game of last-second rock-paper-scissors at certain ranks.
one thing that is worrying is if you are fighting known one-tricks on ladder, so you know what jobs to pick. So the aftermath of adding this will cause one of two things:

- one-trick player is prone to get countered hard if they don't one-trick a meta job
- it forces players to learn multiple jobs early on rather than learning one job properly first then advancing on other jobs

Pros and cons, really.

[mainly my pointers]
07-31-2022, 07:34 AM
GordonGeeko

I wouldn't be super opposed to be able to switch jobs inside but still put a restriction to one of each type per team.

I kinda don't want to be dancer charmed for 20 seconds by 5 dancers.
07-31-2022, 07:37 AM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

I wouldn't be super opposed to be able to switch jobs inside but still put a restriction to one of each type per team.

I kinda don't want to be dancer charmed for 20 seconds by 5 dancers.

I'd be more worried of 5x WHM throwing death lasers every 60s. Also 5x Polymorph would arguably be hell on earth.
07-31-2022, 07:40 AM
GordonGeeko

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Only works if you don't actually see the jobs of the enemy until the job lock is in place, otherwise it could end up a game of last-second rock-paper-scissors at certain ranks.

Oh I guarantee you that a lot of party lists would look like slot machines before the game starts lol
07-31-2022, 07:42 AM
Xel

Please don't foil my master plan of using 5 WHM to auto-win dear comrades :p
07-31-2022, 09:57 AM
Ransu

No, this is a horrible idea.
07-31-2022, 03:15 PM
Xel

It's brilliant. You know it, I know it, the devs know it.

Or wait, are you saying you love the garbage currently in play? Yikes!
08-01-2022, 04:43 AM
Ransu

Frontlines has 72 players. Switching has little impact and it's not a ranked mode. Being able to switch willy nilly in a ranked CC match would be completely broken. It would just be constant counter picking jobs every time someone dies. The matchmaking isn't great, but it does take into account the jobs roles. More often than not if there's a tank on one side then there will be one on the other side. Being able to switch at will would break the matchmaking.

It's a stupid idea and you should feel bad for suggesting it. Get good with the job you picked to queue with or go play unranked mode.

And to be frank, if you're jumping into ranked only for the exp....you're the problem.
08-01-2022, 05:37 AM
Niroken

It would be nice to switch if you go in and find that Immortal Flames has like 70% melee characters, then you can switch to melee as well.
08-01-2022, 06:32 AM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Frontlines has 72 players. Switching has little impact and it's not a ranked mode. Being able to switch willy nilly in a ranked CC match would be completely broken. It would just be constant counter picking jobs every time someone dies. The matchmaking isn't great, but it does take into account the jobs roles. More often than not if there's a tank on one side then there will be one on the other side. Being able to switch at will would break the matchmaking.

In Frontlines and Rival Wings it made little difference because you could not see the enemy team UI regarding the jobs they are playing.

The problem in CC would be not counterpicking after each death since this would affect your Limit Break economy, it would simply be counterpicking at the start of the round. Assuming no changes to the enemy team UI (visibility of jobs, HP values and buffs before match starts), it would just result in potentially frantic job switching or last second job switching. Even with hidden UI, it would be an absolute ballache for one-trick players since people can just make comps / picks to completely shut them down.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

It's a stupid idea and you should feel bad for suggesting it. Get good with the job you picked to queue with or go play unranked mode.

And to be frank, if you're jumping into ranked only for the exp....you're the problem.

Jesus christ, there is being harsh and then there is you being just plain rude. God forbid someone has a suggestion.
08-01-2022, 11:50 AM
Ransu

Being frank isn't being harsh. Beating around the bush accomplishes nothing. It was a bad suggestion, plain and simple and I can't stand people who jump into ranked and only care about exp or event stuff that they could easily achieve doing unranked queues.
08-01-2022, 05:57 PM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Being frank isn't being harsh. Beating around the bush accomplishes nothing. It was a bad suggestion, plain and simple and I can't stand people who jump into ranked and only care about exp or event stuff that they could easily achieve doing unranked queues.

Nothing wrong with not sugarcoating things, however certain things really don't need to be said:

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Originally Posted by Ransu

It's a stupid idea and you should feel bad for suggesting it.

"You should feel bad for suggesting it", like why say BS like this? I don't care that you and I have thick enough skin to just shrug it off, but this is downright rancid to say to someone.
08-01-2022, 10:29 PM
Ransu

*shrug* Its a pretty common phrase. Sounds like a you problem to me.
08-01-2022, 10:41 PM
george357

solution

looks like they have more fighting here then in pvp.
08-02-2022, 12:25 AM
BRVV

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Originally Posted by Niroken

It would be nice to switch if you go in and find that Immortal Flames has like 70% melee characters, then you can switch to melee as well.

This topic, with a great and informative title only talks about CC. I see that all the time now. How many players think that CC is the whole PVP? Oh no one? Then WHY ARE SO MANY IGNORING FRONTLINES?
08-02-2022, 09:45 PM
Ravenwatch

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Being frank isn't being harsh. Beating around the bush accomplishes nothing. It was a bad suggestion, plain and simple and I can't stand people who jump into ranked and only care about exp or event stuff that they could easily achieve doing unranked queues.

This isn't what is stopping you from climbing lol. Just get to a high enough rank and you've self-resolved your problem.
08-02-2022, 10:11 PM
Ransu

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Originally Posted by Ravenwatch

This isn't what is stopping you from climbing lol. Just get to a high enough rank and you've self-resolved your problem.

Who said anything about climbing? I only played 2 or 3 days a week during season 1 and reached 1k crystal perfectly fine. Doesn't mean I enjoy dealing with people that are hopping into ranked and not taking it seriously.
08-02-2022, 11:18 PM
Ravenwatch

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Who said anything about climbing? I only played 2 or 3 days a week during season 1 and reached 1k crystal perfectly fine. Doesn't mean I enjoy dealing with people that are hopping into ranked and not taking it seriously.

You're experiencing these sorts of people at that rank? I haven't seen any since Silver and definitely never in Crystal. Though there is a handful of lax players in Crystal that sit at 0 which are doing their own thing(but they aren't doing it for event and such as far as I know, its just the nature of the system since they can't drop.)
08-02-2022, 11:50 PM
Ransu

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Originally Posted by Ravenwatch

You're experiencing these sorts of people at that rank? I haven't seen any since Silver and definitely never in Crystal. Though there is a handful of lax players in Crystal that sit at 0 which are doing their own thing(but they aren't doing it for event and such as far as I know, its just the nature of the system since they can't drop.)

Matchmaking doesn't take into consideration your points. Its why people complain about the lack of de-ranking and 0 point crystal players. A 0 point crystal player can be easily pitted against someone who is in the top 10 on the leaderboards. There's no real matchmaking when it comes to ratings other then looking at a tier range which is pointless.

That said, I can't fault SE for not having a stricture matchmaking because the higher rated crystal players in the 2k+ range would probably have 30 minute queues for a pvp mode that's rarely longer than 2 minutes.