Recuperate is terrible.

How many times have you had this happen: You have been spamming your recuperate key, you have full mana, or near enough, even though its oGCD you haven't cast anything else and you have no GCD either, and it still takes 3 seconds of spamming for it to actually work. Hope you aren't already dead.

Seriously the terrible lag induced by this games netcode should be an embarrassment for a company the size of SE.

WoW had this problem... 10 years ago. They fixed it over a decade ago. Surely it is not beyond the means of a multi dollar company like SE to fix their games terrible input latency.

I am very sure they will remake the whole game engine for XIV that is already 12 years old and that was strung together with spaghetti :p

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Originally Posted by Nanne

I am very sure they will remake the whole game engine for XIV that is already 12 years old and that was strung together with spaghetti :p

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They at least need to redo the netcode. And, as I said, other old MMO's have done this out of necessity, why should this game be exempt.

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Originally Posted by Sacro

They at least need to redo the netcode. And, as I said, other old MMO's have done this out of necessity, why should this game be exempt.

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My comments are mostly about FL, I dont play CC cus its trash but I agree. Everybody is a bullet sponge, most jobs can't even 1v1 without it becoming a slogfest with yoyoing HP bars. There is no room for any kind of carry potential or MVP plays unless you're SAM or NIN and even then that's only due to their 1 shot limit breaks.
The amount of damage we can heal is way way too high imo. Didn't we already have 3 medical kits + healers before? Now we have 5 recuperate, that regen really fast, plus everyone has a tank defensive cd and whatever else SE thought to give you (haha huton), plus healers. The kits are overtuned for defence/healing.

My favourite part of pvp is the part where you need 5 players to dogpile a single melee player in FL, who then just recuperate to max hp lol.

Forgot to mention you're spot on about the netcode as well. I love having to deal with such classics as "taking full damage with guard up", "killing me through a wall", "pressing a button but nothing happens because it's on the wrong side of the server tick interval". Homeatly pvp in ff14 will remain neglected until the GCD speed and netcode improves. Wow doesnt have this problem, all of their movement and attacks are snappy and responsive as hell compared to ff14. And ff14 is meant to be like 10 years younger than wow lmao

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Honestly they could get rid of recuperate imho (in fl at least) or make It 5000 mp. I never use it. Or i dont need It, or i am already dead before i can use it. Also It makes Little skirmishes impossible, where nobody dies

You know what I love on NIN? Hitting my vanish so hard and so fast that I go back in time and somehow STILL get hit by someone's cast at light speed through some time loop paradox AFTER and DURING my invis. This games netcode during CC has been the most frustrating thing I've ever experienced in my 8 years of playing this game, this coming from a person that actually enjoys wiping with sprouts in dun scaith or any hard normal content for that matter. I love this game but goddamn was PvP a mistake.

Yoshi if you are reading this, please, PLEASE cancel enemy casts when I vanish on NIN oh and I also LOVE when my LB on PLD goes to waste as soon as I press it because the server decided that I died 2 seconds ago.

Obligatory: "Haha, Silly gaijin, our servers are supreme your western servers are inferior. We see no problems on our end."

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Originally Posted by Annihilism

You know what I love on NIN? Hitting my vanish so hard and so fast that I go back in time and somehow STILL get hit by someone's cast at light speed through some time loop paradox AFTER and DURING my invis. This games netcode during CC has been the most frustrating thing I've ever experienced in my 8 years of playing this game, this coming from a person that actually enjoys wiping with sprouts in dun scaith or any hard normal content for that matter. I love this game but goddamn was PvP a mistake.

Yoshi if you are reading this, please, PLEASE cancel enemy casts when I vanish on NIN oh and I also LOVE when my LB on PLD goes to waste as soon as I press it because the server decided that I died 2 seconds ago.

Obligatory: "Haha, Silly gaijin, our servers are supreme your western servers are inferior. We see no problems on our end."

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I play with a 50ms latency and I get this non freaking stop. Like popping warrior LB and then hitting chaotic cyclone, the game decides i died, but then I see my damage happen...

They should definitely rework Recuperate as it doesn't suit the netcode, something like a more expensive heal over time if you have the wherewithal to predict an incoming burst of damage.

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Originally Posted by Ravenwatch

They should definitely rework Recuperate as it doesn't suit the netcode, something like a more expensive heal over time if you have the wherewithal to predict an incoming burst of damage.

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That's actually a good "Why not both" moment, a 30 seconds CD, 5 second bursty heal over time. Basically have its healing match what spamming recuperate does now.

But the fact that the most lauded MMO on the market right now has netcode that makes spell batching in classic wow look fast and responsive is embarrassing.

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Originally Posted by Sacro

I play with a 50ms latency and I get this non freaking stop. Like popping warrior LB and then hitting chaotic cyclone, the game decides i died, but then I see my damage happen...

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This unfortunately applies to pretty much everything in the game but it's especially noticeable on healer abilities that, well, heal or shield and on abilities that require quick timing like Purify.

I stopped counting the amount of times that I threw an Aspected Benefic on someone at low hp and they died during the time that it took the game to register my heal, or tried to Purify a stun and died in the time it took for Purify to register.

This goes both ways however, I've had just as many occasions where I interrupted a Cure cast or a Standard-issue Elixir cast and they went through anyway while the target was stunned.

This is a fundamental problem with how this game works, it's just not as noticeable in PvE because fights are scripted and damage is incredibly predictable.

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This unfortunately applies to pretty much everything in the game but it's especially noticeable on healer abilities that, well, heal or shield and on abilities that require quick timing like Purify.

I stopped counting the amount of times that I threw an Aspected Benefic on someone at low hp and they died during the time that it took the game to register my heal, or tried to Purify a stun and died in the time it took for Purify to register.

This goes both ways however, I've had just as many occasions where I interrupted a Cure cast or a Standard-issue Elixir cast and they went through anyway while the target was stunned.

This is a fundamental problem with how this game works, it's just not as noticeable in PvE because fights are scripted and damage is incredibly predictable.

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This is why I have to think twice about kardia swapping and shielding a teammate as Sage, are they going to live long enough to actually get the shield applied?

It gets even worse on someone like White Mage since they have cast time, they pretty much have to predict the damage in higher rank games because with proper focus a player can get smoked before the cast finishes.

You can also ask Monks how they like their BIG Riddle of Earths being so delayed that even though the game shows like 30k+ heal on activation you still die.

A lot of the game becomes learning the jankiness of the engine and that's not very fun.

Recuperate as a mechanic is bad in general. I get what they wanted to do with it, but it's just too volatile to watch health bars constantly fluctuate in the middle of a team fight while also juggling your abilities, awareness of nearby enemies/allies and their abilities, and mp bars. Too much effort is placed in trying to manage health and it also gives an overwhelming advantage to crowd control for stopping people from accessing this method of "effective health points".

Best fix here is to give recuperate a Regen function similar to moba potions and have them only useable once or twice without returning to base/using an elixir kit.

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Originally Posted by Annihilism

Yoshi if you are reading this, please, PLEASE cancel enemy casts when I vanish on NIN oh and I also LOVE when my LB on PLD goes to waste as soon as I press it because the server decided that I died 2 seconds ago.

Obligatory: "Haha, Silly gaijin, our servers are supreme your western servers are inferior. We see no problems on our end."

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Its not a matter of you getting hit while your invisible and the spells dont stop its a matter of the server tic saying that they cast before you turned invisible
and the dmg is delayed since cast and servers to the point that after that cast goes off your still invisible but the dmg still hits you then the game registers that oh you took dmg your no longer invisible

this is my best way of explain game design sorry if its not clear

but I dont disagree they need to fix this games code and adjust server in the west its getting to the point of this game wont survive long like this

Tbh what I find even more annoying than the Repurate delay is when you run over the potion on the map and the server doesn't register it, I can't remember the amount of times I either needed it to heal or wanted to deny it to the enemy but ran straight over it without anything happening.

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Originally Posted by Abs0luti0n

Recuperate as a mechanic is bad in general. I get what they wanted to do with it, but it's just too volatile to watch health bars constantly fluctuate in the middle of a team fight while also juggling your abilities, awareness of nearby enemies/allies and their abilities, and mp bars. Too much effort is placed in trying to manage health and it also gives an overwhelming advantage to crowd control for stopping people from accessing this method of "effective health points".

Best fix here is to give recuperate a Regen function similar to moba potions and have them only useable once or twice without returning to base/using an elixir kit.

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Eww no. You might as well ask Healers to fully reinstate their healing kits again. The current damage output is way too high for Recuperate to be a regen and it simply does not feel as good to use a regen to manage health than a burst of heal.

In terms of frontline, it should have a 10s CD on it, and remove the DR buffs from last patch while you're at it.

It's about time people learn how to position themselves instead of blindly jumping into 10 enemies and expecting to survive it.

If you play a squishy melee class like ninja or monk, you should die in 3 seconds if you jump into 7 enemies because of your greed, not last a full on minute and still be able to escape, one of the worst pvp designs I've ever seen, and recuperate is one of the big reasons this is possible.

But as usual, it's easier to just give bad players what they want instead of telling them to git gud.

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Originally Posted by Abs0luti0n

Recuperate as a mechanic is bad in general. I get what they wanted to do with it, but it's just too volatile to watch health bars constantly fluctuate in the middle of a team fight while also juggling your abilities, awareness of nearby enemies/allies and their abilities, and mp bars. Too much effort is placed in trying to manage health and it also gives an overwhelming advantage to crowd control for stopping people from accessing this method of "effective health points".

Best fix here is to give recuperate a Regen function similar to moba potions and have them only useable once or twice without returning to base/using an elixir kit.

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Despite Recuperate being a strong tool to use I find myself dying a lot to 2 people bursting before I can get my 4th spam off. I'm not sure how others are able to live spamming it lol.

Anyways, do we 'really' have to make killing any easier? I mean, healers no longer have the sole responsibility of healing anymore. Plus, as you mentioned crowd control is really strong...well, a chain of it at least.

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Originally Posted by Nanne

I am very sure they will remake the whole game engine for XIV that is already 12 years old and that was strung together with spaghetti :p

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Even the PvE gameplay will improve a lot because of it. Too many times you simply cannot react to mechanics because of lag. And its especialy worse since you see that you moved out of it well above a second ago, and yet it still hits you. Alliance raids being even bigger offenders on this.

Reliable netcode is a very important part of any online game that isnt turn based. And currently that simply is not the case (except in the way you can expect it to be unreliable).

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Originally Posted by Sacro

How many times have you had this happen: You have been spamming your recuperate key, you have full mana, or near enough, even though its oGCD you haven't cast anything else and you have no GCD either, and it still takes 3 seconds of spamming for it to actually work. Hope you aren't already dead.

Seriously the terrible lag induced by this games netcode should be an embarrassment for a company the size of SE.

WoW had this problem... 10 years ago. They fixed it over a decade ago. Surely it is not beyond the means of a multi dollar company like SE to fix their games terrible input latency.

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