One small task for SE, one giant QOL for the players: remote material use

Can you please for the love of god, allow us to use materials for crafting, if we simply have them? No matter where. Retainer 1, 2, 3, saddlebag, who cares.
WE HAVE THE MATERIALS for crafting the thing. Let us use them.

I can't take anymore of this...
search for daily company crafting supply missions...
make a temporary list in the crafting log...
search for crafting methods item A, B, C, D, E...
Search for required materials to craft this thing A1, A2, A3, A4, A5
write it down OR TRY TO MEMORISE IT HELLO??!!
Repeat for items B, C, D, E...

It should be like this: only buy missing items from the market board and
BOOM START CRAFTING. No need to go fetch anything from anyone!
If I have it I god damn HAVE IT!

Or alternatively suffer getting mats individually per recipe:
Check materials needed...
search A1, A2, A3, barely can remember that much, which retainer has what...
close all windows, ding ding ding, hello master SHUT UP click click click the speech bubble away JUST SHOW ME YOUR BAGS ALREADY why do we have to suffer like this...
Take the things, close mouse click spam spam spam the speec bubbles away, esc esc...
great one too many esc or mouse clicks, opened up the menu or clicked something else on the retainer option menu... WHO DESIGNED THIS CRAP!??!?!
And then repeat for each item you trying to craft?!

I'm just a few weeks into the game, and I have to say I'm amazed by those who have done this for years. How? How do you not throw your pc out of the window after that much torture? My hands are literally shaking from rage how I wanna strangle this ultimate motherKUPO dogKUPO excuse of an UI...

Yes, YES, WOW IS A MILLION TIMES BETTER in this regard.
ONE BANK. CLICK: OPEN. ALL there.
And want to craft anything? JUST DO IT BOOM DONE.
No need to get anything. Items in your bank/material tab, all remotely usable.

This is absolute madness and it has to go ASAP.
I feel bad for people "just accepting it" because "it is what it is".
No it's not. It's a program made by people who can change it if they want.
So which one is the reason stopping them? Greed? Laziness? Incompetence? Or malice?

This is simply unacceptable having to go through 500 clicks and key hits to navigate something you can and should be able to do in 5 or less. FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING before anyone gets defensive on me for "addagging their pwessush gaem".

That's why I don't do crafting in this game. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it just feels like a chore most of the time, very tedious and demanding too much attention and memory for every little thing. Can't be bothered enough tbh

I would love just a material locker like Gw2 except without all the pay to win storage expansion crap. That way it pulls the material from their instead of how it's handled now. Granted you can circumvent buying extra items by doing a search on missing mats, but you really shouldn't have to do that. But as a game the storage options are quite lacking anyway so who knows if this will even end up on their radar?

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Originally Posted by Theox

That's why I don't do crafting in this game. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it just feels like a chore most of the time, very tedious and demanding too much attention and memory for every little thing. Can't be bothered enough tbh

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Crafting used to be for people who had the patience and time for it. Now literally anyone can be an omnicrafter. Crafter materia up the whazoo through a dozen sources, extremely streamlined crafting "rotations" with nearly no rng even at the end, 1 macro covering 99% of the recipes.
I'm sorry but if that's still a "chore" to you, might as well just turn it into a two clicks mobile game style process.

Then again who cares. It doesn't matter what people want at this point
You're not going to beat the bot rings that pretty much own the market after the first week of a patch.

I’ve been a omnicrafter and consider it my main activity since ARR but I’d love a qol like this. It’s fine as is but it would make it easier for sure, especially us hoarders.

just a thought, but if you are this frustrated by one of the simpler things, maybe put down crafting for a bit.

organize your retainers better. use your chocobo saddle bags.

from what I understand your retainers dont actually exist on your server until you call them, which would make it difficult to access their inventory. if they were to make them persistent entities in terms of access to inventory, what kind of performance hit will that entail given the code?

QoL improvement, sure, be nice in some ways, but could unleash more issues than what its really worth.

caqnt believe you think WoW crafting is better. maybe for making things from materials you have in YOUR inventory or bank, but it is the most useless pursuit in WoW there is as you dont make anything worthwhile. havent for years. dont make high end gear that anyone would want or buy, since the raiders nixxed that.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

caqnt believe you think WoW crafting is better. maybe for making things from materials you have in YOUR inventory or bank, but it is the most useless pursuit in WoW there is as you dont make anything worthwhile. havent for years. dont make high end gear that anyone would want or buy, since the raiders nixxed that.

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It most certainly has some upsides, like being able to use materials from bank, and some downsides, like not being "that" engaging and rather being just "get materials, press button and there you go", but then again you can do same thing in ffxiv with macro so yeah. not too much of a difference at the end of the day.

crafters do make high end gear tho, highest ilvl even, which was legendaries in latest expac, and highest difficulty ilvl pieces in the previous expac.

Jesus christ, yes please! This would be the best QoL of them all if finally fixed!

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Originally Posted by Theox

That's why I don't do crafting in this game.

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*only turn in GC items*
*only do the weekly crafting turn-ins since you don't need extra material*
*get all 90s*

I'm not saying it's an overnight thing but it is pretty weird having an omnicrafter who hasn't even done half of my crafting/gathering questlines, lol.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Crafting used to be for people who had the patience and time for it. Now literally anyone can be an omnicrafter. Crafter materia up the whazoo through a dozen sources, extremely streamlined crafting "rotations" with nearly no rng even at the end, 1 macro covering 99% of the recipes.
I'm sorry but if that's still a "chore" to you, might as well just turn it into a two clicks mobile game style process.

Then again who cares. It doesn't matter what people want at this point
You're not going to beat the bot rings that pretty much own the market after the first week of a patch.

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Old crafting rotations was what made crafting relatively "unaccessible" in the past and what said crafters enjoyed about it, the tedium of XIV's inventory system wasn't and still is not.

At least people are admitting they have a problem in this thread. :rolleyes:

If folks ever decide to work within the confines of the system which leaves so much easily accessible, you won't need to wait for the devs to even consider a "fix"

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Originally Posted by Ardeth

I would love just a material locker like Gw2 except without all the pay to win storage expansion crap. That way it pulls the material from their instead of how it's handled now. Granted you can circumvent buying extra items by doing a search on missing mats, but you really shouldn't have to do that. But as a game the storage options are quite lacking anyway so who knows if this will even end up on their radar?

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Buying extra storage in GW2 isn't P2W. 250x of each material is what you start with, and I personally played with that size for about 8 years. :P You can choose to purchase expansions with gems, but it's not a necessity, and the only thing you're gaining is personal convenience.

If anything, XIV's option would be considered more 'P2W' (I'm using that term insanely light here..) as having extra retainers does in fact give you an advantage over other players as you can do more ventures, sell more items at once, more easily manipulate the MB, etc. And at least GW2 adds the expansions to your account permanently once you buy them where as you're paying a monthly fee in XIV.

But anyway, YES to remote crafting and material storage! Sadly, XIV seems to really love their clunky and convoluted systems and so I don't see that ever being a thing here.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

At least people are admitting they have a problem in this thread. :rolleyes:

If folks ever decide to work within the confines of the system which leaves so much easily accessible, you won't need to wait for the devs to even consider a "fix"

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I'm not sure why you always feel the need to chime in with this sentiment. I rather enjoy already having materials already collected and waiting for me when I'm about to do some major crafting vs. having to go spend a ton of time out in the field gathering mats (that I could have already had!) before I can craft what I need. It's nice and efficient.

And for what it's worth, my inventory typically only has 3 items in it on any given day (unless I'm working on a crafting project), and I keep crafting materials contained to one retainer. I'd say I manage my space just fine, but I would still take a material storage in a heartbeat as that's an enormous QoL update.

You're preaching to the choir, but it's a drum we've been beating for nine years and are well aware it's never getting fixed.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Buying extra storage in GW2 isn't P2W. 250x of each material is what you start with, and I personally played with that size for about 8 years. :P You can choose to purchase expansions with gems, but it's not a necessity, and the only thing you're gaining is personal convenience.

If anything, XIV's option would be considered more 'P2W' (I'm using that term insanely light here..) as having extra retainers does in fact give you an advantage over other players as you can do more ventures, sell more items at once, more easily manipulate the MB, etc. And at least GW2 adds the expansions to your account permanently once you buy them where as you're paying a monthly fee in XIV.

But anyway, YES to remote crafting and material storage! Sadly, XIV seems to really love their clunky and convoluted systems and so I don't see that ever being a thing here.



I'm not sure why you always feel the need to chime in with this sentiment. I rather enjoy already having materials already collected and waiting for me when I'm about to do some major crafting vs. having to go spend a ton of time out in the field gathering mats (that I could have already had!) before I can craft what I need. It's nice and efficient.

And for what it's worth, my inventory typically only has 3 items in it on any given day (unless I'm working on a crafting project), and I keep crafting materials contained to one retainer. I'd say I manage my space just fine, but I would still take a material storage in a heartbeat as that's an enormous QoL update.

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Perhaps if there wasn't so much exaggeration about the alleged struggles, I'd have nothing to say. It doesn't take tons of time to get most items.

It's been stated that they won't make any kind of special inventory. They would just add space for general use. The biggest problem with this storage idea (aside from the technical issues of accessing retainers etc.) is the fact that they will keep adding items to the game, so people will just hoard more and more and demand more space later on.

I keep top tier stuff handy. I have plenty of room to flex for the odd project. Beyond that, there's no need to keep anything else. That's a solution people can use now and never have to depend and wait on the team to fix (doesn't seem likely).

Retainers are far from P2W. It's just P2bedisorganizedandhoard.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Buying extra storage in GW2 isn't P2W. 250x of each material is what you start with, and I personally played with that size for about 8 years. :P You can choose to purchase expansions with gems, but it's not a necessity, and the only thing you're gaining is personal convenience.

If anything, XIV's option would be considered more 'P2W' (I'm using that term insanely light here..) as having extra retainers does in fact give you an advantage over other players as you can do more ventures, sell more items at once, more easily manipulate the MB, etc. And at least GW2 adds the expansions to your account permanently once you buy them where as you're paying a monthly fee in XIV.

But anyway, YES to remote crafting and material storage! Sadly, XIV seems to really love their clunky and convoluted systems and so I don't see that ever being a thing here.



I'm not sure why you always feel the need to chime in with this sentiment. I rather enjoy already having materials already collected and waiting for me when I'm about to do some major crafting vs. having to go spend a ton of time out in the field gathering mats (that I could have already had!) before I can craft what I need. It's nice and efficient.

And for what it's worth, my inventory typically only has 3 items in it on any given day (unless I'm working on a crafting project), and I keep crafting materials contained to one retainer. I'd say I manage my space just fine, but I would still take a material storage in a heartbeat as that's an enormous QoL update.

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Any game that nickles and dimes storage is pay to win to me. But I put time and convenience also in that category. But especially if you make me pay more for storage.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

just a thought, but if you are this frustrated by one of the simpler things, maybe put down crafting for a bit.

organize your retainers better. use your chocobo saddle bags.

from what I understand your retainers dont actually exist on your server until you call them, which would make it difficult to access their inventory. if they were to make them persistent entities in terms of access to inventory, what kind of performance hit will that entail given the code?

QoL improvement, sure, be nice in some ways, but could unleash more issues than what its really worth.

caqnt believe you think WoW crafting is better. maybe for making things from materials you have in YOUR inventory or bank, but it is the most useless pursuit in WoW there is as you dont make anything worthwhile. havent for years. dont make high end gear that anyone would want or buy, since the raiders nixxed that.

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I sometimes forget wow actually have crafting.

GW2's material locker is chef's kiss.

Just being able to draw from a retainer or something would be amazing.

I love when people say "small task" like SE can just flip a switch and it'll work.

Having worked in production environments for a long time, nothing is "an easy task."

If this was truly something easy, they would have done it by now.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I love when people say "small task" like SE can just flip a switch and it'll work.

Having worked in production environments for a long time, nothing is "an easy task."

If this was truly something easy, they would have done it by now.

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Come on, it just changing a boolean!

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Originally Posted by Theox

That's why I don't do crafting in this game. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, it just feels like a chore most of the time, very tedious and demanding too much attention and memory for every little thing. Can't be bothered enough tbh

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I've made over 5 million in just 3 days selling mats cause of how little I care for crafting for the exact reasons OP mentioned. I'm still going through all my retainers, FC chest, Chocobo bag...

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

If this was truly something easy, they would have done it by now.

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I think the fact they are making $2 per month, per retainer and heavy crafters often pay for all of them, more than doubling their sub cost is why they haven't done it by now.

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Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus

I think the fact they are making $2 per month, per retainer and heavy crafters often pay for all of them, more than doubling their sub cost is why they haven\\\\'t done it by now.

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Guilty, I used to have max but after cleaning out I now “only” need 3 extra