Annnnnnd They're Gone

Annnnnnd every house and apartment on Balmung is gone.

200-600 bids on any one plot.

Losing by less than 10 numbers after putting in 8 bids? Priceless.

This sure feels great guys.

Maybe some houses will come open when auto-demoli------ Oh. Right.


#InstancedHousing

Actually, you have 24 houses left with most in the personal wards.

It does look like apartments finally filled in, though. Not bad, they last just over 3 months.

Welcome to Balmung. Where apartment shortages are normal and getting housing is notable one of the worst. Some things never change.

Honestly I expected more entries on the one mansion, but yeah. Getting a mansion on Balmung is now literally winning the lottery lol.

No!!!! The Server resources!!! The Community Feeling!!!! The small indie dev!!!

btw if u could buy the $160 Final Fantasy VII™ Cloud Strife Digital Deluxe NFT that be great.

That still boggles my mind how balmung ran out of apartments like that.

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No!!!! The Server resources!!! The Community Feeling!!!! The small indie dev!!!

btw if u could buy the $160 Final Fantasy VII™ Cloud Strife Digital Deluxe NFT that be great.

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So like, fundamentally I agree with you but the people working on FF7 stuff are not the same people working on FF14 stuff. They're under two separate teams with separate team leads, and make separate decisions.

One could argue that since they're run by the same company with the same CEO that it'd have an impact, but that's like saying the production and team behind Black Butler impacts the production and team behind Kakegurui or Fullmetal Alchemist.

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That still boggles my mind how balmung ran out of apartments like that.

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Alts. Every character can get an apartment (if they're available) since it's not a per account restriction and there are only 21,600 apartments per world. As of the last Lucky Bancho census (end of June) Balmung had more than 33,000 active characters over level 60.

Also wouldn't surprise me if some enterprising souls made some alts to buy up apartments to "resell". The apartments in the other districts had been sold out for several months before Empyreum opened so it was fairly obvious the same would happen again. Since apartments are first come, first serve with no timer it's pretty easy to resell them. Find a buyer, have them pay you to relinquish the apartment then they can immediately purchase the now vacant apartment. Even as a prohibited activity, it's extremely unlikely to be reported or caught since it's just an apartment and the apartment shortage is limited to Balmung (at least for now).

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Alts. Every character can get an apartment (if they're available) since it's not a per account restriction and there are only 21,600 apartments per world. As of the last Lucky Bancho census (end of June) Balmung had more than 33,000 active characters over level 60.

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What you might not know is that if you belong to an FC, there are FC rooms that are the exact same size as apartments for the low price of 300,000 gil. It is true that FC rooms are limited to 512 per FC house, but that limit is not dependent on the size of the FC house.

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Alts. Every character can get an apartment (if they're available) since it's not a per account restriction and there are only 21,600 apartments per world. As of the last Lucky Bancho census (end of June) Balmung had more than 33,000 active characters over level 60.

Also wouldn't surprise me if some enterprising souls made some alts to buy up apartments to "resell". The apartments in the other districts had been sold out for several months before Empyreum opened so it was fairly obvious the same would happen again. Since apartments are first come, first serve with no timer it's pretty easy to resell them. Find a buyer, have them pay you to relinquish the apartment then they can immediately purchase the now vacant apartment. Even as a prohibited activity, it's extremely unlikely to be reported or caught since it's just an apartment and the apartment shortage is limited to Balmung (at least for now).

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That is one way to make gil and it shows how overcrowded balmung is compared to other worlds.

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What you might not know is that if you belong to an FC, there are FC rooms that are the exact same size as apartments for the low price of 300,000 gil. It is true that FC rooms are limited to 512 per FC house, but that limit is not dependent on the size of the FC house.

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What you may not know is that your character has to belong to a FC that owns a FC house to be able to purchase a FC room. If your character leaves or is removed from that FC, you lose that room and the gil you paid for it (though you have 35 days to reclaims your furnishings from the Resident Caretaker).

Getting an apartment is worth the extra 200k gil because you never have to worry about losing it even if you take a break from the game for a year. How many FCs are going to leave absent members in their rosters that long?

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That is one way to make gil and it shows how overcrowded balmung is compared to other worlds.

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It's honestly hard to say that Balmung really is that overcrowded when all we have to go by are character numbers, not account numbers. If Balmung players are averaging 3 Balmung characters per account while players on other NA worlds are averaging 2 characters per world on their accounts, Balmung's real population is about the same.

If we want to stick to active character numbers, Balmung isn't the worst. Mateus is and has been since Endwalker's release.

Keep in mind that Balmung's been considered the "massively overcrowded" world for years. We can go back to the census in July 2017 (Stormblood release) when Balmung had 21k and the other NA worlds were averaging 14k. If 21k was massively overcrowded then, then all NA worlds are massively overcrowded now.

Once 6.2 is released, some of the Primal and Aether worlds are going to jump back up close to Balmung and Mateus numbers like they had been at the start of the expansion (Famfrit, Gilgamesh, and Jenova had been within 2k of Balmung). Then their numbers will slowly die back down as raiders complete their Savage clears, finish farming what they want and quit to go play other games. RPers and players into more casual content are more likely to stay subscribed the full patch.

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So like, fundamentally I agree with you but the people working on FF7 stuff are not the same people working on FF14 stuff. They're under two separate teams with separate team leads, and make separate decisions.

One could argue that since they're run by the same company with the same CEO that it'd have an impact, but that's like saying the production and team behind Black Butler impacts the production and team behind Kakegurui or Fullmetal Alchemist.

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its funny to me you think we wont be seeing 14 nfts.

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What you may not know is that your character has to belong to a FC that owns a FC house to be able to purchase a FC room. If your character leaves or is removed from that FC, you lose that room and the gil you paid for it (though you have 35 days to reclaims your furnishings from the Resident Caretaker).

Getting an apartment is worth the extra 200k gil because you never have to worry about losing it even if you take a break from the game for a year. How many FCs are going to leave absent members in their rosters that long?


It's honestly hard to say that Balmung really is that overcrowded when all we have to go by are character numbers, not account numbers. If Balmung players are averaging 3 Balmung characters per account while players on other NA worlds are averaging 2 characters per world on their accounts, Balmung's real population is about the same.

If we want to stick to active character numbers, Balmung isn't the worst. Mateus is and has been since Endwalker's release.

Keep in mind that Balmung's been considered the "massively overcrowded" world for years. We can go back to the census in July 2017 (Stormblood release) when Balmung had 21k and the other NA worlds were averaging 14k. If 21k was massively overcrowded then, then all NA worlds are massively overcrowded now.

Once 6.2 is released, some of the Primal and Aether worlds are going to jump back up close to Balmung and Mateus numbers like they had been at the start of the expansion (Famfrit, Gilgamesh, and Jenova had been within 2k of Balmung). Then their numbers will slowly die back down as raiders complete their Savage clears, finish farming what they want and quit to go play other games. RPers and players into more casual content are more likely to stay subscribed the full patch.

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Gosh the amount of players when endwalker came out was nuts people trying for hours trying to get on the game.

It's a bit of a sucky feeling to be losing every lotto so far for sure!

I honestly don't know why people still roll on Balmung. It was my original server and I rolled out of it so long ago.
It's always been one of the most crowded servers, there was even that period in SB where they lokced ti from creation for so long that people thought it'd never open again. I
I get that's it's (E)RP central but if people want a house it's really the wrong palce to be.

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its funny to me you think we wont be seeing 14 nfts.

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That's not at all what I said and you know it, considering you quoted my entire post. Where I start by saying, and I quote: So like, I fundamentally agree with you....

Either learn to actually read or don't, I don't care, but definitely don't attempt to lie about my position when I'm stating the exact opposite in whatever you quote.

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I honestly don't know why people still roll on Balmung. It was my original server and I rolled out of it so long ago.
It's always been one of the most crowded servers, there was even that period in SB where they lokced ti from creation for so long that people thought it'd never open again. I
I get that's it's (E)RP central but if people want a house it's really the wrong palce to be.

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People new to playing the game don't know this.

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Originally Posted by MilkieTea

People new to playing the game don't know this.

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New people usually have a congested servers vs favoured servers as a guideline though.

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New people usually have a congested servers vs favoured servers as a guideline though.

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The only thing they have when creating a character is a star next to a preferred server, or greyed out servers if they absolutely can't make new characters. The rest are free game, and for all they know a star next to the server may mean it's empty and that's why SE is funneling characters to them. I know I did, initially, when playing the game.

Regardless, how are they supposed to know that Balmung is ERP central/Overcrowded/they won't get an apartment or a house/etc. etc.

Problem is the shortage of both houses and apartments

Houses 24w x 60h x 5(Different housing areas) = 7,200 houses
Apartments 24w x 180 apartments x5 (different areas) = 10,800

Going by a year old census only one server had under 10,000 active players Malboro at 9,926 (this was Dec 2021)

Useing these numbers there is no way for everyone to have either a house or a apartment....

Most servers have apartments but Balmung is just the rp capital and one of the largest servers

The main problem is they allowed people who own a house to have a apartment. Most of the people who have a house have alts with apartments because your own account dosnet share a house...I'd bet money if they allowed Houses to be account wide.. you might see some apartments open,,

Ass stated https://dotesports.com/mmo/news/all-...er-populationsthis is from dec 2021

The interesting part is if you look at JP servers wile we are mostly over 10k active there around 7k...with only like 4 or 5 servers over the amount of housing,,

I wonder if the housing Issue was reversed and JP was having a massive problem if there would be been a fix in the last what 5 years...

Its like there using the active JP server numbers to determine number of houses aka no new wards added (Ya know 4 wards to each of the zone more to 28) just the new zone this

I don't know what Balmung that person was looking at because there are not 28 open personal plots. Every single house had 200+ bids on them for personal housing.

Every apartment is gone.

People play on Balmung because there's a huge population of RP'ers there, and a decent amount of statics for raiding. New people come to Balmung because they want to play with their friends who are already established there. We lose our apartments if we move, we lose our houses if we move, we lose our FCs if we move: None of it transfers over - so why would we ever leave? The only people who don't want instanced housing are those who want to feel special because they clicked a placard the fastest, or got lucky on a lotto. Housing shouldn't be a status symbol of luck: It should be accessible to EVERYONE, equally. Just like in real life. You have to practically be rich with a perfect credit score to get a mortgage in America: I'm sick of feeling like housing is inaccessible in the game too.

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New people usually have a congested servers vs favoured servers as a guideline though.

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Balmung isn't marked Congested any more. It's mostly been a Standard world (since mid Shadowbringers. There was a period of about a month when it was marked Congested, then a longer period when it was Preferred along with the rest of Crystal when the Aether population exploded.

It's also generally open to new character creation except during peak log in hours. When it was first moved to Standard, it was generally still closed to new character creation outside of a couple of hours a day.

It feels like a lot of the long time players don't understand the state of the NA worlds in general. We're ALL overcrowded now. It's not just Balmung.

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I don't know what Balmung that person was looking at because there are not 28 open personal plots. Every single house had 200+ bids on them for personal housing.

Every apartment is gone.

People play on Balmung because there's a huge population of RP'ers there, and a decent amount of statics for raiding. New people come to Balmung because they want to play with their friends who are already established there. We lose our apartments if we move, we lose our houses if we move, we lose our FCs if we move: None of it transfers over - so why would we ever leave? The only people who don't want instanced housing are those who want to feel special because they clicked a placard the fastest, or got lucky on a lotto. Housing shouldn't be a status symbol of luck: It should be accessible to EVERYONE, equally. Just like in real life. You have to practically be rich with a perfect credit score to get a mortgage in America: I'm sick of feeling like housing is inaccessible in the game too.

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I didn't say 28 personal plots. I said 24 plots and some of those were FC. I was physically on Balmung taking the count just before I posted. Were some of those plots pending a winner's claim at the time? I don't know. I was only looking at the ward listings, not the actual plots.

Here, let me go back to Balmung to list what I currently see available:

LB W15 P25
LB W21 P12

EM W9 P4
EM W3 P50
EM W5 P44
EM W7 P33

SH W18 P44
SH W24 P18

Gob W23 P 38 (medium!)

So some of the houses that were there have since been claimed. There are still some left unclaimed.

Will the unclaimed houses disappear eventually? Sure. I don't think anyone doubted that. They're disappearing on all the other NA worlds as well.

As for why people might leave Balmung? Because they don't have an apartment. They don't have a house. They don't have a FC they have close ties to. They don't have close friends playing there or those friends have the same lack so want to transfer together to a world where they can get a house, get an apartment, get a FC they care about.

I agree it shouldn't be difficult for anyone to get a house let alone an apartment. But just like real life, sometimes that means moving to go to where those things are available.

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Balmung isn't marked Congested any more. It's mostly been a Standard world (since mid Shadowbringers. There was a period of about a month when it was marked Congested, then a longer period when it was Preferred along with the rest of Crystal when the Aether population exploded.

It's also generally open to new character creation except during peak log in hours. When it was first moved to Standard, it was generally still closed to new character creation outside of a couple of hours a day.

It feels like a lot of the long time players don't understand the state of the NA worlds in general. We're ALL overcrowded now. It's not just Balmung.


I didn't say 28 personal plots. I said 24 plots and some of those were FC. I was physically on Balmung taking the count just before I posted. Were some of those plots pending a winner's claim at the time? I don't know. I was only looking at the ward listings, not the actual plots.

Here, let me go back to Balmung to list what I currently see available:

LB W15 P25
LB W21 P12

EM W9 P4
EM W3 P50
EM W5 P44
EM W7 P33

SH W18 P44
SH W24 P18

Gob W23 P 38 (medium!)

So some of the houses that were there have since been claimed. There are still some left unclaimed.

Will the unclaimed houses disappear eventually? Sure. I don't think anyone doubted that. They're disappearing on all the other NA worlds as well.

As for why people might leave Balmung? Because they don't have an apartment. They don't have a house. They don't have a FC they have close ties to. They don't have close friends playing there or those friends have the same lack so want to transfer together to a world where they can get a house, get an apartment, get a FC they care about.

I agree it shouldn't be difficult for anyone to get a house let alone an apartment. But just like real life, sometimes that means moving to go to where those things are available.

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I'm sure they will the lotto just got pulled yesterday i believe is when i got my money back from losing... Until the winner claims it from the Plaque/stand it reads for sale..
Id almost be sure ifthere wemty plots someone bid on them... meaning every empty plot you listed if there has a winner.... So unless they forget to claim the house by Tuesday i think... all are gone

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It feels like a lot of the long time players don't understand the state of the NA worlds in general. We're ALL overcrowded now. It's not just Balmung.

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If that's the case let's hope that the new incoming DC will solve som of that.

I usually read Balmung people complaining about their world's house shortage the most though, so that's a thing.

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No!!!! The Server resources!!! The Community Feeling!!!! The small indie dev!!!

btw if u could buy the $160 Final Fantasy VII™ Cloud Strife Digital Deluxe NFT that be great.

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If they make an NFT that allows me for a housing plot for 150, I would honestly pay for it... if the issue is money, I think there are many people who would be happy to use this.

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No!!!! The Server resources!!! The Community Feeling!!!! The small indie dev!!!

btw if u could buy the $160 Final Fantasy VII™ Cloud Strife Digital Deluxe NFT that be great.

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I love they buried this in on the 2nd tab you have to click

"●Warning: In case the Enjin services becomes unavailable in the future, you may lose access to the NFT digital certificate of authenticity and digital version of the figure."

LMAO what a joke

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Annnnnnd every house and apartment on Balmung is gone.

200-600 bids on any one plot.

Losing by less than 10 numbers after putting in 8 bids? Priceless.

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Hang on though, you got a medium?

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Nothing like waiting years for Ishgard housing; Getting Saint of the Firmament, spending more than 30 million gil for a house to have to stare at Shirogane walls all day because of our lovely neighbors.

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https://i.imgur.com/lBhteZV.png

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Hang on though, you got a medium?



https://i.imgur.com/lBhteZV.png

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My question is how you spend more then 30mil??
Do you mean the large? If so why not say 50mil like it cost...a medium is20mil....
Did you just pull 30 mil out the air??

Edit: My reply was to Angellos on the quote

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My question is how you spend more then 30mil??
Do you mean the large? If so why not say 50mil like it cost...a medium is20mil....
Did you just pull 30 mil out the air??

Edit: My reply was to Angellos on the quote

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I think they might be a little insincere.

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I put 8 bids on a small plot last week. Didn't win it. (And there were only 20 bids total on it.)
EDIT: I lost by 3 :upsidedownsmileyface:

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Losing by less than 10 numbers after putting in 8 bids? Priceless.

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It looks like from these, they are keeping their personal medium and now going after a solo FC on all 8 alts.

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I think they might be a little insincere.




It looks like from these, they are keeping their personal medium and now going after a solo FC on all 8 alts.

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Detective work +100

Yup that be my guess... still cant figure out where $30 comes from lol

My guess is Band Aid fix 2,3467,544... All FC must earn X amount of FC credits every 2 or 3 months or lose the house.. But they wont do that due to removing a house and placing everyone's items at the pick up guy would be a strain

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It looks like from these, they are keeping their personal medium and now going after a solo FC on all 8 alts.

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That medium is a FC house. Could be trying to find another medium to relocate to so he can throw a temper tantrum at his new neighbors about their non-Ishgardian houses.

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Detective work +100

Yup that be my guess... still cant figure out where $30 comes from lol

My guess is Band Aid fix 2,3467,544... All FC must earn X amount of FC credits every 2 or 3 months or lose the house.. But they wont do that due to removing a house and placing everyone's items at the pick up guy would be a strain

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In the thread where he was complaining about the Shirogane Castle Walls, someone speculated that the other 10 million was what he spent on furnishings. Which makes sense - no way a flipper would have settled for only 30 million gil on Balmung for a medium.

I've always thought that Company Credits would be an interesting currency for FC house purchases instead of gil since legit FCs don't tend to have a lot of gil until they can start selling things produced through their house. Unfortunately, it's too easy to "buy" company credits for those abusing the system. SE would need to rework how the credits are generated (which honestly wouldn't be a bad idea).

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That medium is a FC house. Could be trying to find another medium to relocate to so he can throw a temper tantrum at his new neighbors about their non-Ishgardian houses.



In the thread where he was complaining about the Shirogane Castle Walls, someone speculated that the other 10 million was what he spent on furnishings. Which makes sense - no way a flipper would have settled for only 30 million gil on Balmung for a medium.

I've always thought that Company Credits would be an interesting currency for FC house purchases instead of gil since legit FCs don't tend to have a lot of gil until they can start selling things produced through their house. Unfortunately, it's too easy to "buy" company credits for those abusing the system. SE would need to rework how the credits are generated (which honestly wouldn't be a bad idea).

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I don't think a flipper on any server would only take 30 mil lol

They have to find away to stop these shell fc's

Problem is with my own idea..if it was FC had to make x amount in 90days(now you have to figure out a super casual real 4 man fc.can do) but who ever is decated enouugh to do the shell fc will grind easy what a super causel fc dose

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That medium is a FC house. Could be trying to find another medium to relocate to so he can throw a temper tantrum at his new neighbors about their non-Ishgardian houses.

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It makes me so sad that people like the OP get to own a house lol

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Annnnnnd every house and apartment on Balmung is gone.

200-600 bids on any one plot.

Losing by less than 10 numbers after putting in 8 bids? Priceless.

This sure feels great guys.

Maybe some houses will come open when auto-demoli------ Oh. Right.


#InstancedHousing

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https://i.imgur.com/tQA4OlV.png


This is what's currently available on Balmung.

"Unavailable" means it's not in the current lottery cycle and should be become biddable in the next one.

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Annnnnnd every house and apartment on Balmung is gone.

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And you're surprised? Move server if you want a house.

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And you're surprised? Move server if you want a house.

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Hundreds and hundreds of plots open on Materia. Only the 3 larges and 2 smalls are gone in my ward in Ishgard and that's pretty typical.

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And you're surprised? Move server if you want a house.

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He has a house, he is complaining he can't get his second one. Making 8 bids each round, so it will be a solo FC this time round.

Watching people who already own homes, pad the bids with alts for home#2, really shows how futile and shitty this system is.

Frankly, I don't know how anyone can even remotely defend it. Even if you got yours, you have to realize you could have just as easily not been lucky. And if your go-to is "just move," honestly I'd rather play a different game than play this game on a server without any friends. NA in general is screwed in regards to housing, so the kind of move you're talking about is one where I wouldn't even be able to visit friends via DC travel. Props to the Materia DC folk telling someone on an NA datacenter to move to the OCE DataCenter for a house. Yeah, lemme just dump all my friends and play with terrible ping so I can maybe get a home in a game where decorating is terrible anyway. That option isn't feasible and you can't possibly be serious when you suggest these kinds of "solutions."

A much simpler solution, is for Square to utilize the profits XIV makes to solve the server limitations stopping them from adding new wards. This method doesn't inconvenience any players, and only asks that Square take our money and distribute it in a way that makes the players happy, instead of investing it on NFTs and Marvel games.

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He has a house, he is complaining he can't get his second one. Making 8 bids each round, so it will be a solo FC this time round.

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Oh poor op. I’m sure we all feel sorry for them.

World population imbalance remains an issue. In places like Balmung even if they add 2 new housing areas they still wont be enough.

But I think if they make a new world named "Balmung 2", people will flock to it especially when it has a free transfer for characters from Balmung. Its still Balmung, the culture and everything remains the same, people know what to expect but this time they will actually have a way better chances at obtaining a house while at the same time taking some weights off Balmung. Adding new ones with a completely different name doesnt seem to have this effect.

Do it SE.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Annnnnnd every house and apartment on Balmung is gone.

200-600 bids on any one plot.

Losing by less than 10 numbers after putting in 8 bids? Priceless.

This sure feels great guys.

Maybe some houses will come open when auto-demoli------ Oh. Right.


#InstancedHousing

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On my Server a Large Plot had only 28 Tickets and medium plots under 20.
surprisingly , the small plots next to the beach had more than that :P