Shout Chat Cafes

I've been playing for a few years now and one thing that has been a constant is the shout chat cafes that are advertised in city hubs, Limsa most notably. I've always wondered though: what's the appeal? The game doesn't really seem set to enable bars or night clubs without an extra helping of imagination (though, to be fair, that does seem to be the general vibe of roleplaying). But why FF14 and not like, VRChat? What does FF14 provide that makes this form of engagement worthwhile? No offense intended of course, don't want to give the wrong impression.

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Originally Posted by game_enjoyer

But why FF14 and not like, VRChat? What does FF14 provide that makes this form of engagement worthwhile?

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It's because of the mods, the mods change the game into a NSFW activity simulator, from NSFW clothes, nudity, new animations to completely different body models.
The client has no protection built in, hence nobody knows you're using the mods unless you go around sending screenshots and publicly stating it in the chat.

Using them is of course against the ToS!

Ah, I guess I didn't even think of mods. I've been playing vanilla since I started. Well, I guess this didn't need a thread.

in a way, your thread is kinda relevant. We are having some recent threads about ERP, chats about it and we had some about ToS violations with mods and others related recently.

The first impression I had while reading your thread was: "oh, so this all stuff seems to be increased and maybe they will adress it against people that likes ERP or "true RP".

The more threads like this, the more evident the ERP problem is becoming...

Not every cafe is NSFW (though it's probably the majority). From personal experience, a lot of people enjoy RPing their character and like having special made spaces to playing said character. People can usually 'work' for cafes too, making gil for playing their part, so there's some extra motivation too. I have an FC mate that makes an insane amount of gil just serving people food at a tavern and having chats with the customers like a real waitress. Paid by the owner + tips. Just another form of entertainment, really.

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Originally Posted by TsuchinokoPanda

Not every cafe is NSFW (though it's probably the majority). From personal experience, a lot of people enjoy RPing their character and like having special made spaces to playing said character. People can usually 'work' for cafes too, making gil for playing their part, so there's some extra motivation too. I have an FC mate that makes an insane amount of gil just serving people food at a tavern and having chats with the customers like a real waitress. Paid by the owner + tips. Just another form of entertainment, really.

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I LOVE this kind of true RP :)
And I HATE ERP so much...

My concern is: as ERP increases and becomes more evident, less people will be willing to do true RP and less people will think this is a good way to play the game 'cause it's easy to misunderstand the difference between them. So, as ERP grows, the true RP shrinks... and this is very sad.

A good thing about true RP is: you don't need any mod to do it :) Just to learn some /emote tricks will do :D
Fortunately, we still have a lot of people doing it. And yes, it's a good way to get some gil :)

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

I LOVE this kind of true RP :)
And I HATE ERP so much...

My concern is: as ERP increases and becomes more evident, less people will be willing to do true RP and less people will think this is a good way to play the game 'cause it's easy to misunderstand the difference between them. So, as ERP grows, the true RP shrinks... and this is very sad.

A good thing about true RP is: you don't need any mod to do it :) Just to learn some /emote tricks will do :D
Fortunatedly, we still have a lot of people doing it. And yes, it's a good way to get some gil :)

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I love normal RP too, but FFXIV now has so much infamy in the ERP section that I don't engage any roleplayers anymore... I find myself embarrassed telling anyone I play the game nowadays because of the connection to ERP, and as someone playing the game since launch I remember being very proud to play the game because the community used to be predominantly so wholesome back in the day.

I need to start frequenting these clubs and cafes, maybe I could make some gil. I afk all day anyway.

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Originally Posted by Setesh45

I love normal RP too, but FFXIV now has so much infamy in the ERP section that I don't engage any roleplayers anymore... I find myself embarrassed telling anyone I play the game nowadays because of the connection to ERP, and as someone playing the game since launch I remember being very proud to play the game because the community used to be predominantly so wholesome back in the day.

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I was about to say the same...
I made a char in Balmung after waiting for early hours in the morning for a window in the character creation restriction. Back then, Balmung was the capital of true RP and I was very proud of being isnde there xD I went inside a roleplay FC and learned a lot from them (even things about the lore of the game, like places and some historical characters. I REALLY loved to play like this).

But now it's this degenerated and sexual stuff... I feel embarrassed for that as well. Even now, if I ask to enter a "RP FC" I can't thrust that all members there are looking for real RP or just the redtube's eorzean extension... It's really sad.

I'm about to move my alts to one of the new servers in EU DC. I hope i can create some true RP events inside a FC there (small and true RP events for the FC members only and only if ALL of them mind the difference and aren't looking for pervert content).

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Originally Posted by TsuchinokoPanda

Not every cafe is NSFW (though it's probably the majority). From personal experience, a lot of people enjoy RPing their character and like having special made spaces to playing said character. People can usually 'work' for cafes too, making gil for playing their part, so there's some extra motivation too. I have an FC mate that makes an insane amount of gil just serving people food at a tavern and having chats with the customers like a real waitress. Paid by the owner + tips. Just another form of entertainment, really.

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I have yet to come across a NSFW cafe but yeah it is relaxing to see your WoL relaxing after all the crap they went through. One of my lala alts used to help around a friend's cafe.

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Originally Posted by game_enjoyer

I've been playing for a few years now and one thing that has been a constant is the shout chat cafes that are advertised in city hubs, Limsa most notably. I've always wondered though: what's the appeal? The game doesn't really seem set to enable bars or night clubs without an extra helping of imagination (though, to be fair, that does seem to be the general vibe of roleplaying). But why FF14 and not like, VRChat? What does FF14 provide that makes this form of engagement worthwhile? No offense intended of course, don't want to give the wrong impression.

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I'm not sure what you mean by shout chat cafe, would you please clarify?

If you're talking about regular RP venues such as cafes, restaurants, bars, etc; the appeal for many is to relax and chat with other people in between game activities. For others, there's story-driven roleplaying. For yet others....that other stuff. There are as many reasons to chat/RP in XIV as there are reasons to, and styles of, RP (D&D, etc) in the real world. Work's taken me all over the country so I haven't been able to keep a stable gaming group IRL, but my XIV friends are always there.

If you pretend your WoL has a personality and interacts with NPCs and the world in a certain manner, that's RP. For a lot of people, that's the extent of it. The next step from that is to interact with people the same way; even if it's talking about things with your characters' mannerisms without really having a story behind it. Adding a themed venue to this is the next step and makes a big difference for a lot of folks. Playing make believe, with a virtual dress-up doll, in a space dedicated for it is a lot of fun, give it a try!

What the hell kind of RP venues/FCs are you guys looking at lol, I see plenty of SFW ones all the time.

This week on OF: Venues BAD, ERP BAD
I wonder what we'll get next week

I don't have an issue with them btw, I just didn't (and still don't honestly) get the appeal. It's just not for me.

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

I was about to say the same...
I made a char in Balmung after waiting for early hours in the morning for a window in the character creation restriction. Back then, Balmung was the capital of true RP and I was very proud of being isnde there xD I went inside a roleplay FC and learned a lot from them (even things about the lore of the game, like places and some historical characters. I REALLY loved to play like this).

But now it's this degenerated and sexual stuff... I feel embarrassed for that as well. Even now, if I ask to enter a "RP FC" I can't thrust that all members there are looking for real RP or just the redtube's eorzean extension... It's really sad.

I'm about to move my alts to one of the new servers in EU DC. I hope i can create some true RP events inside a FC there (small and true RP events for the FC members only and only if ALL of them mind the difference and aren't looking for pervert content).

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"But now it's this degenerated and sexual stuff"

I mean it's always been part of Balmung, but now with the world visit and DC visit all your degens come over here and us natives get blamed for it.

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Originally Posted by game_enjoyer

I've been playing for a few years now and one thing that has been a constant is the shout chat cafes that are advertised in city hubs, Limsa most notably. I've always wondered though: what's the appeal? The game doesn't really seem set to enable bars or night clubs without an extra helping of imagination (though, to be fair, that does seem to be the general vibe of roleplaying). But why FF14 and not like, VRChat? What does FF14 provide that makes this form of engagement worthwhile? No offense intended of course, don't want to give the wrong impression.

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Depends on the cafe you're going to.

If it's a RP-only one, people set up a house to look like a restaurant, or something, you can buy in-game food (just for the RP), and chat with new folks. It's an interesting experience that I could only have here in FFXIV, I would say try it out and see it with your own eyes.
In addition, some RP cafes provide glammour events, with prizes.
FFXIV have a lot of emotes that help in RP, apart from the option to take photos with Gpose.

As for ERP, I believe it to be something more "wild". I've never been to one, so I can't say what happens.

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Originally Posted by TsuchinokoPanda

Not every cafe is NSFW (though it's probably the majority). From personal experience, a lot of people enjoy RPing their character and like having special made spaces to playing said character. People can usually 'work' for cafes too, making gil for playing their part, so there's some extra motivation too. I have an FC mate that makes an insane amount of gil just serving people food at a tavern and having chats with the customers like a real waitress. Paid by the owner + tips. Just another form of entertainment, really.

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Nah, cafes aren't usually erp stuff. Cafes are usually a "come by, just have some roleplay without needing to go into the Quicksands and in a smaller venue for fun", meet new people, get your fill in a couple hours, leave for the next set of people. I did some helping at a friend's cafe, it was mainly just for people to hang out with and get "food" and "drinks" (rp served of course) and everything was SFW. If you wanted NSFW, you had to go elsewhere since that wasn't the theme of the cafe itself.

It's old tavern rp on AOL, but without dark corners to lurk in lol.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

"But now it's this degenerated and sexual stuff"

I mean it's always been part of Balmung, but now with the world visit and DC visit all your degens come over here and us natives get blamed for it.

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This. Even passing through Quicksand Inn you can see that half the people there are just tourists with the "Wanderer" and "Traveler" tag.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

What the hell kind of RP venues/FCs are you guys looking at lol, I see plenty of SFW ones all the time.

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Agreed. If anything I think the influx of RP people livenes the servers up. There is way too much single player-ness and people rarely talk.

I still dont know how DJs work in these ads. How do you play music? how do people listen to those? and why would they wanna do that anyway.

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Originally Posted by Wanzzo

the ERP problem is becoming...

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Errrm, which ERP problem? O_o

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Originally Posted by Lieri

I still dont know how DJs work in these ads. How do you play music? how do people listen to those? and why would they wanna do that anyway.

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The DJs are simply a twitch stream, which runs in your browser. :)


Cheers

Three threads about ERP now? Gaw damn.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

I still dont know how DJs work in these ads. How do you play music? how do people listen to those? and why would they wanna do that anyway.

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You open their twitch stream while they put whatever spotify playlist they have on shuffle. Which, ya know, that's not being a DJ that's just being an ipod shuffle with even shittier music quality.

It baffles me that people say not to mesh RP with irl but these clubs l mesh every time they dj. For them it's a real time job since they want your subscription money.

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Originally Posted by game_enjoyer

I've been playing for a few years now and one thing that has been a constant is the shout chat cafes that are advertised in city hubs, Limsa most notably. I've always wondered though: what's the appeal? The game doesn't really seem set to enable bars or night clubs without an extra helping of imagination (though, to be fair, that does seem to be the general vibe of roleplaying). But why FF14 and not like, VRChat? What does FF14 provide that makes this form of engagement worthwhile? No offense intended of course, don't want to give the wrong impression.

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'chat cafes' is a codeword.

People want to ERP as/with catgirls, and with the use of nudity mods.


Edit: there's even stuff like 'onlycats' too now ...

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Three threads about ERP now? Gaw damn.

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oh my what will we doooooo!

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

oh my what will we doooooo!

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Probably make 5 more threads about it lmao

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

Edit: there's even stuff like 'onlycats' too now

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