SE, we all know that your intentions were good with trying to spice things up by letting us kill many mobs at once, but this is just not working. Many jobs have no became completely useless for exp parties and boss fights simply because of this. Why would I ever in my right mind invite a monk whenever I can take a War or a Blm? This also promotes nothing but button mashing as well, which one of the reasons that I personally loved ffxi so much was we did not have to button mash.
Exp Parties-
1. They are too easy. Any combination of 6-8 players can rock any exp camp in their level range. This is largely do to the amount of mobs you can kill at one time to receive a ton of exp.
2. No tank is required. With so many mobs just running around and everyone aoeing them then what is the point for a tank? Exactly there is none..
3. More is not always better, but if you want it to be then make it more challenging.
Bosses/Dungeons
It seems the only way that SE can make anything semi difficult (which it isn't because of job stacking) is by adding ADDS to every single boss fight we encounter other than ifrit. Lets take a look.
1. Ogre in darkhold. While the adds do not attack you indirectly and are not required to be killed its still just another boss with pointless adds.
2. Batrall in darkhold. Skeles and Ghost... Just more AOE fun with the skeles.
3. Moogle- Again nothing but a bunch of mobs at once during the 2nd phase.
4. Ant Princess- Fire, Fira, Firaga kill adds and guard.. nothing else matters
5. Chimera- oh wait adds pop at around 75 percent. What do we do?
6. Coincounter- Annoying adds that can silence!! oh nooo!
7. Mizz Murphy- Multiple adds spawn again and if your not monk burning murphy than you aoe them down.
8. Garuda- hmm more adds? You betcha!
AF fights- Pretty sure almost every final af fight has a bunch of mobs... same old same old burn/kite
I know not ALL of the adds are required to be killed in the boss fights but Im honestly tired of the same thing over and over. Adds simple do not make things difficult in this game. I just really hope that SE makes single mob and single mob bosses a much bigger part of this game and make some badass single target classes as well.
Multiple Mobs and AOE's
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05-29-2012, 05:37 PMKairyuMultiple Mobs and AOE's
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05-29-2012, 05:42 PMyukikaze_yanagi
Boss fight with adds ? Unbelivable !
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05-29-2012, 05:50 PMJinrya-Geki
Fire/Fira is not thaumaturge exclusive. Pugilist can use them. Does monk have thamaturge as a secondsry class requirement.
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05-29-2012, 06:11 PMFelisMonk have only archer and lancer cross class skillsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki
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05-29-2012, 06:41 PMBabydoll
Well said OP! I stopped playing (only log in to craft rested xp and log back out) cuz I am so sick of se thinking putting adds on every boss fight makes it a challenge. No, it doesn't...it just encourages job stacking which i dont blame people for doing.
Where are the days of when se could make intelligent battles that required skill with no adds? I lost interest in xiv lately cuz of it :/ -
05-29-2012, 06:57 PMJinko
Monk has that AoE where they jump and smash the ground I forget its name, so I don't see your point.
As for bosses the melee are supposed to run out and kill the adds, this isn't FFXI where you stand in one spot and hack away at the boss until it dies ya know. -
05-29-2012, 07:28 PMThebard
Too much AoE in this game for my liking, particularly in the form of dd attacks. AoE buffs and debuffs are fine, but not attacks.
Personally I think that SE sees the AoE based combat as "fast paced and exciting!" but SE must learn that "fast paced and exciting!" becomes very boring very fast and when people are bored they stop playing and stop paying. -
05-29-2012, 07:43 PMBabydoll
In ffxi if you stood around and hacked the mob you'd wipe >.>(talking about hnm, not regular mobs lol) everyone would have to time their abilities, skillchain, watch hate, buff/debuff, refresh etc.
Its aura pulse and compared to other dd aoe it is pretty lacking. -
05-29-2012, 07:59 PMyukikaze_yanagi..for real ? I don't know abyssea, but old ffxi had very few encounters where dd would move something different from rear/side, and mostly in fight where kite was strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Babydoll
Personally i see your point, but there's nothing wrong in add management in a boss fight. Just look every mmo in the planet aside ffxi and you'll see plenty of fights with adds. -
05-29-2012, 08:11 PMcharlemagne
Yeah monks aura pulse isn't particularly impressive when it comes to damage, the slow effect can be useful if it sticks for long on the main mob though. I'll agree with OP in that the boss battles can seem a little formulaic at times but would argue that this is possibly due sometimes to the way we choose to fight them rather than always being the fault of the fights themselves. Even saying that I think there is some nice variety between some of the fights, the saminess of them coming more from the fact we've done each of them a bazillion times.
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05-29-2012, 08:19 PMBabydollOh yes most of them remained in a somewhat fixed position haha but what I meant was if they just auto attacked and afk'ed people would wipe >< FFXI bosses could not be defeated by simply standing there auto attacking and doing nothing else. Because he said "Stand in one spot and hack away" idk if I misunderstood lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi
There was a couple fights in XI that had adds..Vrtra I remember...but that was fun. You had to have entire party/alliance dedicated to adds. That was actually challenging vs what FFXIV has... ._. -
05-29-2012, 09:09 PMAlphaDragoon
I too am sick of the AoE fest that makes the game favor BLM/WAR over everything else even more than they already are.
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05-29-2012, 10:00 PMSigny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O22B6W77ymM
I'm not trying to troll, just point out what have others MMO out there. -
05-29-2012, 11:15 PMcharlemagnelol 4 pillars, where have we seen that before?Quote:
Originally Posted by Signy
Don't like the graphic style in this game in the slightest either it looks kinda old. -
05-29-2012, 11:48 PMSignyThe game is TERA online. And BTW it was released on 2009 on Korea, way before the ifrit fight exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by charlemagne
My point posting that video was to show how every class on the party have something that they must do to success and how the fights are meant to don't allow stacking of jobs.
About the graphics, it use the Unreal Engine. For me it have better graphic that the current FFXIV.
Keep looking and the next videos. On that dungeon there are 4 NM or BAMs like they call them there, every NM have a something in particular to learn and exploit in order to win the fight. May seems easy looking on the video but i can tell you that is hard enough to kill the tank in 3 normal blows or 1 skill if he didn't block it or evade it.
Anyway, i like both games, they are different in a lot of ways so its not fair to compare then directly. I think the same as the OP. The NM fight since ifrit turned all about on adds and controlling then, i would like more NM that need a real strategy more that kill those first as fast as you can and go to the next mob. -
05-30-2012, 12:01 AMDeadRiser
Some of those boss fights' adds aren't really adds.
Coincounter, they don't even attack you.
The skeles at Batrall can be killed one by one, especially with spike damage from drg/mnk.
Ghosts at ogre can be ignored. They just make you watch your footing in battle.
As for Moogle and Garuda, this content makes you act as a party. Garuda needs constant dps so she doesn't take down pillars. Have a mnk focus on her while your AoE party members worry about the "adds" floating around. The two mirror images of her? They each have a separate weakness, so it's not AoE spam fest. Moogle? Kiting is what it's all about but don't make it sound so easy. Still people are failing at it.
I don't think all the content is AoE centric. I think your just pigeonholing certain content and throwing in old content with it. -
05-30-2012, 12:24 AMSevenNajelith
With boss fights I'm sure they will mix it up a bit over time. At least I hope so. They are well aware of all the BLM stacking so we will see how that comes to light over time. I do have to agree with him about xp parties though. They are horrendous in my opinion. Not fun at all for me. I can barely stand to level my remaining DoW/DoM jobs. It seems to me to be a no skill hackfest. Half the time I don't even really know what's happening aside from pick a mob and hack away. The most difficult thing about xp parties is targeting the mob you want to attack. Either that or staying awake. lol that sucks. I don't want a grind fest, but I would love something engaging and entertaining that at least requires some skill. This link and add system is not my cup of tea.
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05-30-2012, 12:36 AMDeadRiserI will agree with that too. They need to increase the amount of health all mobs have. That and make defense actually count...Quote:
Originally Posted by SevenNajelith