Bot in NN chat really got out of control

I don't know about other server, but on Moogle, we just witnessed a huuuuuuuge invasion of bot through the NN spamming "000" in the chat.

Thanks to many Mentor, this invasion was dealt with quite quickly, but Bot can't enter the Novice Network on their own, therefore, a Mentor had obviously done that. Inviting this much of bot in such a short amount of time can only be done with malicious intent (I won't believe that the mentor who did that was unaware of this, especially while looking at all those random character nickname they have).

Therefore, I suggest to add a "Log" to allow mentors exclusively to see who invited who in the channel, who "kicked" who in the channel, etc etc... This can help us to report those unworthy mentors who have nothing more to do than griefing a usefull channel for newbies.

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

Thanks to many Mentor, this invasion was dealt with quite quickly

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probably the first and only time a mentor has ever done anything useful in this game

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

but Bot can't enter the Novice Network on their own, therefore, a Mentor had obviously done that. Inviting this much of bot in such a short amount of time can only be done with malicious intent

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that sounds like the typical mentor in this game, i've said it since it was first introduced and i'll say it again the mentor/NN adds nothing of value to FF14 and should be removed from the game

I really don't get the mentor hate. On Faerie it must be vastly different cause we always help those that ask and do it quickly.

Just some questions here:

-Estimated amount of bots?

-All invited sprouts/returners also bots?

-anybody took note of how many mentors were on at that time?

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

probably the first and only time a mentor has ever done anything useful in this game




that sounds like the typical mentor in this game, i've said it since it was first introduced and i'll say it again the mentor/NN adds nothing of value to FF14 and should be removed from the game

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There's actually a lot more good mentors than bad. The bad ones are just very vocal and loud. Doesn't help when you just place a hate label on them all like that.
/shrug

NN on Crystal are typically very helpful and answer questions quite often.

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

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You seems to hold a grudge against mentor, I don't know the reason, and I don't care.

This is not the subject here.

Bots are a plague that need to be dealt with, usually they don't go in the NN which means the problem is taking huge proportion and is not being controlled properly.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

Just some questions here:

-Estimated amount of bots?

-All invited sprouts/returners also bots?

-anybody took note of how many mentors were on at that time?

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- Around 50-60 have been banned in the first 15 minute, and by the time I write this, it's not even stopping. (We maybe over 100 by now, but somehow they still come, even tho the influx as decreased by now. As I said, invitation can only be done by a Mentor, which mean it was in a griefing purpose)

- All bot got the sprouts icon, not the returners.

- Many mentor were on the channel, I'd said that maybe around 10 were actively banning them.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I really don't get the mentor hate. On Faerie it must be vastly different cause we always help those that ask and do it quickly.

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Salty people are being salty.
True that some mentors are also salty, but many who are active in the NN are there to help out new players. Then you get people like the one above your post who are probably the kind who treat mentors badly.

So a newly made account doesn't get invited to the Novice Network automatically? Also if it is in fact a mentor inviting them, it could be a compromised account that the bots are now using.

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Originally Posted by DragonFlyy

So a newly made account doesn't get invited to the Novice Network automatically?

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No, sprouts have to be invited. I do believe returning players get a window pop up after logging in to join the NN though. There are a lot of sprouts that don't even know NN exist.

New players used to get invited automatically, but it invited bots, so SE stopped inviting them automatically and asked mentors to invite them using the search feature so they could carefully avoid bots.

If it's reported, the GMs might be able to work out who invited them all.

You can't name and shame.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

I would say it was likely a hacked mentor account.

A good chunk of bot accounts are stolen.


Weird they'd choose to invite a bunch of bots to spam useless text in NN though. Can't really see the benefit for them. Bots aren't around to literally ruin the game for others, they're money makers.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I would say it was likely a hacked mentor account.

A good chunk of bot accounts are stolen.


Weird they'd choose to invite a bunch of bots to spam useless text in NN though. Can't really see the benefit for them. Bots aren't around to literally ruin the game for others, they're money makers.

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Probably a test run to see how attentive other mentors are to NN. No real point in inviting a bunch of bots to spam RMT links in there if they get kicked out almost immediately.

I can't see any reason for bot to invade the NN. Usually, bot won't go where people can seize their name easily. They even "Wall hack" to avoid being noticed.

Invading the NN just allow everyone to see their name and where they actually are. Making it easier to ban.

One major problem still remains. It seems like people invited, who got kicked, enter the NN again after the 30 min kick automatically. Therefore, once the deed is done, nothing can be done.

Only Square Enix can do a thing in order to ban them all at once.

We need to be sure that NN Can't be reached automaticaly when kicked, and a Mentor need to reinvite people manually, avoiding this kind of event.

Simply a mentor got their account compromised and it was inviting the bots to NN. That's happened several times on crystal.

Even if you kick them out of the NN spouts that have joined the NN in the past will automatically rejoin 30 minutes later, no Mentor required.

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

probably the first and only time a mentor has ever done anything useful in this game




that sounds like the typical mentor in this game, i've said it since it was first introduced and i'll say it again the mentor/NN adds nothing of value to FF14 and should be removed from the game

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maybe in your server xD

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Originally Posted by Mika_Zahard

Simply a mentor got their account compromised and it was inviting the bots to NN. That's happened several times on crystal.

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Ah. The fishing expedition.
Sigh...... Stop opening random links people

I still don't get the point why they would wanna be in NN

We've been seeing this on Leviathan for a few months. I counted about 90 Level 50-52 BRDs, all in Amdapor Keep. Nearly all with two character first names and random character last names. Many (not all) enter "0" into chat. The rest are silent (I guess their script isn't doing this).
The only power mentors have in the NN is to kick them every 30 minutes until they come back.

The problem is multi-fold.

• They spam the chat
• They are breaking the TOS which is not being enforced by SE (plenty of threads on that already)
• The list is growing and eventually there will be too many bots to allow in actually legit novices

If SE refuses to address this and we reach the point where there are 412 bots in channel, then SE should just remove NN as a failed experiment. And it wouldn't be Novice Network that failed. It would be SE that failed the players.

A part of me speculated that some folks probably invited those bots purposely into the network to raise the bots visibility so that SE finally inclined to make their move before the media makes too much fuss out of this lol.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I really don't get the mentor hate. On Faerie it must be vastly different cause we always help those that ask and do it quickly.

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I want to believe you, i really do, but as a self-proclaimed troll, i'm going to assume you're being dishonest.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

A part of me speculated that some folks probably invited those bots purposely into the network to raise the bots visibility so that SE finally inclined to make their move before the media makes too much fuss out of this lol.

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Intended or not, if it works out and maybe even does make fuss in the media, maybe it will help? Not very optimistic considering for how long people have been vocal about the bots in other places and written tons of reports, like Eureka, without getting any reaction. (But of course the NN reaches a lot of people that wouldn't care about this side content, so who knows?)