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2 small personal plots for sale in shiragane, balmung
no apparetments open
instanced housing when?
i thought my chances were bad last lotto, rolling against 37 other people for a small..

lottery has always been a tax on stupid people, don't fall for it, don't support it

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

lottery has always been a tax on stupid people, don't fall for it, don't support it

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People who work irl, to obtain cash to own a house irl are stupid because they cant placard click all day long? For them the lottery still gave them better chances, and its a good reason to support its existence.

Not just that, if i could pay some irl money to obtain a house in ffxiv (where SE sells them themselve instead of botters), i might just do that. 2h of work to buy it that way, instead of placard clicking for 2h is to me already a major improvement on time efficiency. This money on that could potentialy even be used to improve housing in general, which on that is another benefit.

Placard clicking is just stupid. Its a major time waste unless you cannot spend that time any other way. Sure, you might have more chances after 10h, but thats still 10h wasted that you could actualy enjoy doing something else. I will have fun even without a house (its still just a side aspect). Its not like winning a house suddenly grants even more fun time in the game. There are plenty of other games so even when done in FF, i can just play something else.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

lottery has always been a tax on stupid people, don't fall for it, don't support it

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Not in FFXIV. You are right IRL, but the housing lottery refunds your gil if you lose. Even the cactpots are guaranteed to give you something. This lottery system is better than giving bots an advantage for houses, but the basic problem is a lack of housing, not the lottery system.

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Originally Posted by HomelessSuncat

2 small personal plots for sale in shiragane, balmung
no apparetments open
instanced housing when?
i thought my chances were bad last lotto, rolling against 37 other people for a small..

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I assume you mean Shiro apartments? Because there's still open apartments in Empyreum on Balmung atm.

There are exactly 12 (TWELVE) Small personal plots available on Balmung. None have any bids below 34.

There are more open small plots in Ishgard Ward 1 than the entirety of personals server-wide.

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

lottery has always been a tax on stupid people, don't fall for it, don't support it

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People that say this think they're so smart. Oh, I'd never gamble because gambling is a "tax on the stupid." When, in reality you've simply heard someone else say this, and you're just repeating it because it makes you feel slick, and better than others who don't partake of the "stupid tax". You also base your silly statements on the odds of winning the biggest jackpot, yeah? 600 million to one or whatever. But I suppose you've never read all of the odds, you know, the ones where you see that winning a cash prize of any kind is 1 in 2.

A 50% chance of winning a ticket, or two bucks, plus the fun factor, is enough for me to spend $1, on occasion.

And that's one thing all of you "super smart" people that never buy lottery tickets seem to forget is the fact that it is fun. At least a fair portion of you have gambled. Whether in Vegas, at a reservation casino, or perhaps you live in a country where gambling is pretty much available anywhere. And you dropped that quarter in the slot or put down that dollar on the table because it's fun. Not because you are insistent that you'll hit the 1-in-13 million jackpot.

So, you want to still go with the "lottery is a tax on stupid people," line of reasoning? Fine, someone step up, and we'll go over your finances and pick out the "taxes on stupid people". Brand-name medicine, extended warranty plans, seven-dollar-coffee, high-octane gas for your Toyota Corolla... these are stupid taxes. Not a $1 ticket that gives you a moment of pleasure, and the possibility, no matter how remote, that you might win something. Try winning $2 from your extended warranty plan or $5 from your triple-the-generic-price acetaminophen. I'll bet at least half of you have Advil in your medicine cabinets when only "stupid people" buy brand-name medicine and the smart folks have generic Ibuprofen in there. Does that bottle of Advil drip money out of the bottom? Does your seven-dollar coffee that cost $0.18 to make have a secret $20 on the bottom when you finish?

Stupid tax... get off your high horse. None of you claiming this are without "stupid, frivolous" things in your life that you paid for. Not one.

Side note: I find it funny that I come into the housing forums, daily, expecting to read about housing, and it never fails that I come up with some ridiculous behavior every time. It can never be about housing, can it? The anger controls some. It's always gotta be about how people suck, SE sucks, everything is so terrible, everything needs to change, everyone besides the poster themselves is inept, etc., etc. Ain't you folks never dealt with anything serious enough in life to put these silly things into perspective? Or is not easily owning a FFXIV house the major disruption in your lives right now?

If that's true, y'all should consider yourselves lucky you've never had to deal with anything more real than that. Honestly, throw a party right now and enjoy it. Because life is going to throw things at you that make this silly housing frustration seem like the best day you've ever had. There will be days where you don't log in at all, weeks even, such as when you need to be by someone else's bedside when they're weak. Or drive them to their next radiation treatment. Days where you won't even care if your account is active or not.

To conceive of a situation beyond what's on your gaming screen, and adjust behavior accordingly is far beyond the capability of many, I suppose.

But yeah, "stupid tax," definitely don't do that because har-de-har I'm smart and you're stupid. That's definitely the way forward.

/rollmyeyes

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Originally Posted by Redgate

There are exactly 12 (TWELVE) Small personal plots available on Balmung. None have any bids below 34.

There are more open small plots in Ishgard Ward 1 than the entirety of personals server-wide.

Good luck!

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but its ok because muh neighrbood feel.

yeah i meant shira apartments. i like the aesthetic of shiro more than the other zones

Yeah Shirogane is a very cutthroat area to get residence--when Empy first opened there were over 200 people bidding over a lone small house in Shiro despite there being 7-8 bids (god I miss those days) on Empy smalls. I sincerely wish you luck.

There will never be instanced housing. The devs have been very clear on that both that they cant do it server capacity wise and that they simply don't want to do it because their design for housing areas was never intended for everyone to have a house. the original intent was for them to be for FC's and for the housing to be a "neighborhood" feel where houses were shared with the FC. Honestly allowing personal housing was a mistake that has lead to the current scenario of people constantly trying to get a personal house. Ya ya, ghost FC's and all that, but that's a minor problem compared to the situation right now where people just can't accept the fact that housing is intended to be a certain way and its never going to change.

Just wait for the island sanctuary content where everyone is assuming you're going to be able to do gardening and other features locked behind housing (just don't expect to have the housing features. If that happens I'd be shocked.)

Honestly I wouldn't blame personal housing per se for the "problem" right now.

I should probably elaborate. It may be true that Housing was intended primarily for FCs, and having seen the benefits of an FC house firsthand--it wouldn't be the same without it to be sure. It *would* have been a problem if the "rampant" personal bidding was preventing FCs from getting housing at all, and for a time--it absolutely was. Small FCs especially of 3-4 people were often trying to bid against some 20 personal prospects.

But the Ward distribution, whatever people think about that--*does* address that. If the primary focus is to make sure every FC gets a house, the 75/25 split *was* successful, while still giving people an (overwhelmingly) small chance at getting a house.

At times it's a little *too* successful. When you have nearly empty FC wards vs an overcrowding in personal there's absolutely cause to be upset. Granted until we see a couple more cycles it's difficult to say how many of those plots will remain that way. FCs are almost certainly operating as personals do: go for the large, when that fails try again on the medium, when that fails, try again on the small.


Honestly I think the bigger problem is apartment limitations. I don't just mean things like item slot restrictions or lack of space--creative lofting can help with both of those. You mentioned the gardening thing, but....I can't be the only one that wishes I could have a single tenant in an apartment--either to help build/loft something, or for a couple (can eternally bonded people enter their bond mate's locked apartment? This I don't know).

Especially with the housing shortage, just like in real life, you have a lot of people cohabitating in apartments now, so it'd be nice to see some of those similar cohabitation options, like you see with houses.

Also apartments are already nearly stuffed to capacity depending on the server. Again. Again this is an argument in favor of FC housing since they support 512 rooms, but I really have to ask why apartment buildings don't do that as well. I really can't see that being a resource limitation when there's basically 18 wards that (theoretically) each have houses that support 512 rooms.

Some people would say "join an FC", to which I would say, "yes! I'm in one! It's great :D" but some people might want privacy at times, or they might want the stability of an apartment never going away (some FCs kick for idleness, or some people just decide they don't fit in any more, or any number of reasons), or--let's be honest--FF14 does have a pretty solid single player experience. Some people might want to keep it that way, including for apartments.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

There will never be instanced housing. The devs have been very clear on that both that they cant do it server capacity wise and that they simply don't want to do it because their design for housing areas was never intended for everyone to have a house. the original intent was for them to be for FC's and for the housing to be a "neighborhood" feel where houses were shared with the FC. Honestly allowing personal housing was a mistake that has lead to the current scenario of people constantly trying to get a personal house. Ya ya, ghost FC's and all that, but that's a minor problem compared to the situation right now where people just can't accept the fact that housing is intended to be a certain way and its never going to change.

Just wait for the island sanctuary content where everyone is assuming you're going to be able to do gardening and other features locked behind housing (just don't expect to have the housing features. If that happens I'd be shocked.)

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You realize that Island Sanctuary's existence shows that instance server capacity is a non-issue. correct? Since every character who gets past whatever MSQ/side quest requirement SE has for Island Sanctuary will have one. If it can be done for Island Sanctuary, it can be done for housing. After all, if player is in one instance it means they aren't occupying any others.

It doesn't really matter what their original intent for housing was. Designs can be changed based on player reaction.

MSQ - revamped in response to player feedback.

Diadem - totally repurposed because players did not like the original even after SE made a few changes.

Eureka - the content design for the later zones changed in response to player feedback.

Elite hunts have been changed from some wildly varying respawn timers and dozens of spawn points per zone to standardized respawn timers and about a dozen spawn points in response to player feedback.

New FATEs added in ShB and EW were changed from rewarding GC seals to bi-color gemstones because players complained that FATEs needed a new type of reward to make them worth doing.

Jobs have changed over time from their original designs in response to player feedback. And so on...

There's no reason why housing design can't also be changed in response to player feedback and how players actually engage with the system.

Not certain why you bother bringing up Island Sanctuary when you acknowledge it's not going to be the answer to the housing problems.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

You realize that Island Sanctuary's existence shows that instance server capacity is a non-issue. correct?

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Because its not just a capacity issue, its also a design philosophy. They don't want instanced housing, they made that clear a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Because its not just a capacity issue, its also a design philosophy. They don't want instanced housing, they made that clear a long time ago.

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As I said, just because something was the original design intent doesn't mean they can't reconsider in the face of player feedback. The design philosophy clearly isn't working when the majority of the player base isn't experiencing what they expected the outcome to be.

Times change.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

As I said, just because something was the original design intent doesn't mean they can't reconsider in the face of player feedback. The design philosophy clearly isn't working when the majority of the player base isn't experiencing what they expected the outcome to be.

Times change.

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As far as SE is concerned it is working and its something players need to just accept. They have no intention of creating instanced housing and they have no intention of making accommodations for every player to be able to have a house.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

As far as SE is concerned it is working and its something players need to just accept. They have no intention of creating instanced housing and they have no intention of making accommodations for every player to be able to have a house.

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Recent citation needed. I can't recall SE making any statements in recent years that housing is working as intended, nor any statements in recent years that they have no interest in instanced housing considering instanced housing is already part of the game.

But if you have links, I'll be happy to read them.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Because its not just a capacity issue, its also a design philosophy. They don't want instanced housing, they made that clear a long time ago.

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And it's a stupid design philosophy thus why we complain so much about it on the forums. As Jojoya said, providing feedback on the forums is how we have effected good change in the game.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

And it's a stupid design philosophy thus why we complain so much about it on the forums. As Jojoya said, providing feedback on the forums is how we have effected good change in the game.

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Stupid to you maybe, but plenty of people find it perfectly fine and like the town feel. Swtor has instanced housing and it's lame as hell hiding in your little instanced house with no one to interact with and no other strongholds to run around in the open and look at for that town feel.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Stupid to you maybe, but plenty of people find it perfectly fine and like the town feel. Swtor has instanced housing and it's lame as hell hiding in your little instanced house with no one to interact with and no other strongholds to run around in the open and look at for that town feel.

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I'd rather have a house than not, thus why instance housing is so popular right now. They will never add enough wards to allow everyone to have a house, and for instanced "wards" Wildstar did it years ago where you could have several friends in an instanced area together with all their houses in that instance. The ward system worked when housing was FC only, but they opened it up to personals and caused the current issue. As hyperbolic as it sounds I am unable to play a portion of the game because of SE refusing to let everyone fully play their game. Not because of skill or time or effort, because of RNG due to artificial scarcity since they won't change their philosophy or design. Why should my sub be worth less than someone who has a house, let alone a large or medium plot because of outdated design philosophy?

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Originally Posted by Ransu

As far as SE is concerned it is working and its something players need to just accept. They have no intention of creating instanced housing and they have no intention of making accommodations for every player to be able to have a house.

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No one needs to accept anything. What a silly position to take.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

As I said, just because something was the original design intent doesn't mean they can't reconsider in the face of player feedback. The design philosophy clearly isn't working when the majority of the player base isn't experiencing what they expected the outcome to be.

Times change.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They're not going to change how they're doing things because you don't like the product. You are always free to set your game client to a different language.

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