OVERTIME in Crystalline Conflict

Why is this even a thing? The last few times I've encountered overtime, my team had been dominating the entire match, stuck at 90+ progress vs the other team's 0-10 progress, and overtime changes everything. Having the crystal be so close to the other team's base where they're constantly rezzing and we're having to stay put and try to keep them out of the crystal is a HUGE disadvantage. Eventually everyone runs out of MP and heals and dies, leaving the other team to regroup and somehow manage to push the crystal all the way to our end after being dominated the entire rest of the match? That makes no sense.

One match, we sat there trying to keep them out for SEVEN MINUTES without dying before we finally succumbed to the sustained pressure, and were unable to recover.

TLDR there needs to be some sort of time limit for overtime so that the primarily dominant team isn't automatically at a huge disadvantage at the start. A team shouldn't be able to push you out just because they can chain rez right next to where you're being forced to defend

OT exists so people aren’t AFKing halfway through in every single game because they’re losing 50% to 40% but they don’t think they can swing 95% in the time they have left. OT time limit being shorter probably wouldn’t hurt though, it’s a bit long right now.

I don’t really see an issue with the structure though. Win con for higher % team right now is you push them off crystal once in OT to win, win con for lower % right now is push it further than the other team did to win. The team that’s winning when OT starts does already have an obscene advantage due to their win con being so much easier to achieve.

If you manage to lose to a team trickling in one at a time, and then let them push it all the way across the map from +90% progress to -91% progress, without being able to push them off the crystal once, then that implies to me your team wasn’t actually playing well enough to deserve it in the first place. All you had to do was make them step off the crystal for one singular instant to win, while they had to push it across the map and then some, without ever once stepping off.

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Originally Posted by Alenia999

TLDR there needs to be some sort of time limit for overtime so that the primarily dominant team isn't automatically at a huge disadvantage at the start. A team shouldn't be able to push you out just because they can chain rez right next to where you're being forced to defend

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1. The team with push advantage isn't at a disadvantage. They have a seriously huge advantage going into OT. The biggest difference is if you've broken a checkpoint and the enemy hasn't. They have to push the crystal across the map, stop to break a checkpoint, fend your team off to be able to make progress. All this while their respawn timers are way longer than yours which they'd be if you were curbstomping them so hard before OT, and they need to accomplish this while always having a player on the crystal. Oh, and they also need to accomplish all this while moving the crystal farther away from their spawn and closer to yours.

2. If they're chain rezzing and trickling in then you're not really "forced to defend". They are. They have to keep throwing bodies at the crystal to keep you from winning while waiting for an LB swing instead of being able to properly regroup for a full team fight.

Sure sounds to me like you're running into teams who think that overtime means they have to keep diving into the enemy team 1 by 1 wasting their advantageous position and quite literally throwing the whole match.

Fall back and regroup is a quick text

It's not that the idea of overtime is so bad, after all it is a simple comeback mechanic and sudden death. It's just guard is way too long and it ends 90 percent of a time with someone stepping out by accident or getting feared/displaced. Pushing a crystal by standing afk in it is just shit design.

1) If you reach overtime, you weren't dominating to begin with.

2) If they're managing to hold you up that badly despite trickling in and one wipe is enough to overturn the entire match, you definitely weren't dominating.

3) If they're trickling in one by one and you're running out of MP, why are you not backing up to elixir while your team 4v1s?

The general rules of overtime are just complete trash. The main problem though is the idea of it being a comeback mechanic with how fast the crystal moves for the opposing team. They can hold out for so long, spam their LB's and get a team wipe and then push the crystal all the way to the other side of the map before your team can even respawn. Its absolutely stupid.

Overtime is not worth the aggravation. I am queing up for casual, not ultra try hard BS. Overtime causes more people to afk I think cause they just don't want to deal with the BS.

The only big issue with OT is people not knowing what the rules are, the amount of overtimes that have ended because it's 3v1 and their other 4 right nearby, and they run out of the crystal when they woulda had a comeback causes rage.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

1) If you reach overtime, you weren't dominating to begin with.

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Overtime starts even if you are winning 99,9 to 0 if an enemy is on it too if the normal match time ends.
And it will continue as long as there will be enemies on it so what do you mean?

The losing team can always force overtime.
Reaching 100 and ending the game early is not that common.

Overtime should forcefully end if the losing team can‘t push enough in a certain time frame.

Also the losing team has a faster crystals and gets the checkpoints faster, so if you are winning and the enemies can chip you enough (which happens), chances are they can break the checkpoint super fast if they manage to wipe you.

Its not like teams deserve wins sometimes (am guilty of this) but in overtime, the winning team does NOT have the privilege to keep retreating (one person at a time sometimes, sure, but not the whole team) for longer periods of time.

Couple that with people rushing in 1v5 after dying…

You know, because the losing team has faster checkpoints and such.

Anyways, there should be a forced end to overtime if the losing team CAN‘T push the crystal and is just wasting time after like… 1-2 minutes.

I see some people trying to defend the design of overtime based on some notion of fairness. That is an enormous misconception. Overtime makes it so that the only period of time in the entire match which is worth anything for the final result is the split second in which the team that has been losing all along takes the lead.

Note that overtime is not about giving an extra time at the end of which whoever has the lead is victorious. Instead, it just gives each team completely unequal victory conditions. It is as biased as it gets.

It is just an artificial device intended to keep people from AFKing when they are losing, at the expense of merit/fairness.

It works well for the purpose it is intended but it makes the game considerably less interesting from a competitive standpoint since it weakens the relationship between skill and winning.

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Originally Posted by Cheremia

Overtime starts even if you are winning 99,9 to 0 if an enemy is on it too if the normal match time ends.
And it will continue as long as there will be enemies on it so what do you mean?

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Matches where your team is genuinely dominant end very, very quickly. If the enemy team can keep you tied up to overtime, then it's not a match where your team is dominating. Dominating is not a word that leaves room for weakness and failure in a mode where a match can be over in less than a minute of time on crystal, nor a word that leaves room for a team that can be stalled out by one-man rushes.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

Matches where your team is genuinely dominant end very, very quickly. If the enemy team can keep you tied up to overtime, then it's not a match where your team is dominating. Dominating is not a word that leaves room for weakness and failure in a mode where a match can be over in less than a minute of time on crystal, nor a word that leaves room for a team that can be stalled out by one-man rushes.

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If you're pushing the crystal and winning most of the engagements all the way to the other side of the map then I'd say that is dominating the match. Getting LB spammed during overtime and watching the crystal move at the speed of the light and go from one end of the map to the other before your team even respawns is NOT a good design. Overtime being a "comeback" mechanic is one of the most idiotic things in the world (comeback mechanics in general at bad design for competitive play. Its why the fighting game community is so torn on supers and meter systems), especially when skill wasn't even involved in that scenario.

Overtime giving the opponent a chance to fight back is perfectly fine, but the way it functions right now is just wrong.

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Originally Posted by Sindele

1) If you reach overtime, you weren't dominating to begin with.

2) If they're managing to hold you up that badly despite trickling in and one wipe is enough to overturn the entire match, you definitely weren't dominating.

3) If they're trickling in one by one and you're running out of MP, why are you not backing up to elixir while your team 4v1s?

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#3 is incredibly important and key for when your team is holding their own. You effectively respawn while keeping an eye on things and making sure your presence isn't immediately needed.

i say this in ever OT dissociation in CC if you run out oft time and you both at 50% its called a draw if you go into OT and your team is 51% percent to 50 you win aka OT shouldn't be a thing.