Auto-demolition needs to be re-enabled immediately.

Housing auto-demolition should be re-enabled immediately. The lottery system will become inoperative within a few cycles if it is not. Patch 6.11a disabled the afk logout, so by the developers' own measures the server queues are stable.

Auto-demo was left off far too long during the pandemic until it became very apparent that it was going to be a long-term issue that the world at large is still dealing with. The "current world situation" as the NA team put it, is showing no signs that it will be any different, tragic as that is.

Leaving auto-demo off for nebulous lengths of time destroys all the hard work that has been put into overhauling the housing system.

Reference: Regarding Automatic Housing Demolition


Edit: I read a proposal on the Japanese side of the forum that demolition be selectively re-enabled for all datacenters except Europe. If technically possible this could be a very useful compromise.

They should never disable it more than a month. It should be lowered to 2 weeks not entering your place it gets auto demolition for private housing and 1 month for FC housing.

Glad it is off personally, ofc that is because I have a house.
But being forced to keep a sub up for my house can get annoying when I am taking a break from the game.
prays for instanced housing

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Originally Posted by Eris4494

They should never disable it more than a month. It should be lowered to 2 weeks not entering your place it gets auto demolition for private housing and 1 month for FC housing.

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Why would you give FC housing a bigger grace period than personal when FC housing already gets the benefit of any FC member being able to reset the timer by entering the house while for personal housing it has to be the owner of the plot and not tenants? Like what is your justification in this being a good idea? If no one in a free company enters a house long enough for it to be under threat of demo they really aren't using the house enough to warrant being allowed a longer grace period.

Wow. Seriously, just wow. This is almost sort of like the argument that if you tax the hell out of the rich, there will magically be enough money to give every citizen a comfy life. Include in this the desire for taking away the grandfathered plots of those who, by the rules, had managed to get multiple plots in the early days of this game. What do all of these things have in common? The fact that the resources you free up by doing these things, won't amount to much more than a drop of water added to a lake. The demand for housing is VASTLY greater than the plots that you would free up by turning demolition back on again. Sorry, but cannibalizing others is not going to solve this problem.

above poster is off the goop guess what thats how it already has been so deal with it! owned

anyway autodemo NEEDS to be turned on yesterday. it's going to be at some ill-defined moment anyway -- ostensibly its off "for the war" in ukraine, but seriously, when can you possibly turn it back on after such a solemn decision? when there's a ceasefire? when the situation has levelled out to a slow-moving frontline? when the donbas belongs to country A or country B? it was a mistake to get caught up with international issues like that... a natural disaster is one thing, because the situation has already gotten as bad as it'll get, and is in a state of repair. but a political situation truly never gets better, and can always get worse. imo they would be wise to just announce it's coming back on with 6.2 and sidestep the entire magpie they walked into.

You clearly didn't even bother reading my post. The number of plots that would be freed up by turning demolition back on, would NOT come even remotely close to satisfying even a mere fraction of the demand for housing. What you are asking for is NOT going to solve this problem. Adding more housing, a LOT more housing, IS.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

You clearly didn't even bother reading my post. The number of plots that would be freed up by turning demolition back on, would NOT come even remotely close to satisfying even a mere fraction of the demand for housing. What you are asking for is NOT going to solve this problem. Adding more housing, a LOT more housing, IS.

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Just auto demo doesn't help, but with the addition of new wards Auto Demo has to be activated so there's at least some sort of rotation or else adding new wards will end up being the exact same thing that's already happening, keep adding wards and keep auto demo on.

Well obv turning autodem on isn't gonna give everyone a house, but it does mean there will be at least(hopefully) a few houses available every lottery reset...otherwise after the next there won't be any available houses unless someone server xfers. Hopium is a powerful drug

The auto-demolition should have never been stopped. I had several houses demolished during the breaks and it's insane for how long was the ownership kept even when not playing for months. The supply is low, the inactive plots have to be recycled as quickly as possible so that new owners get their turn with them.

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Originally Posted by olaplex

above poster is off the goop guess what thats how it already has been so deal with it! owned

anyway autodemo NEEDS to be turned on yesterday. it's going to be at some ill-defined moment anyway -- ostensibly its off "for the war" in ukraine, but seriously, when can you possibly turn it back on after such a solemn decision? when there's a ceasefire? when the situation has levelled out to a slow-moving frontline? when the donbas belongs to country A or country B? it was a mistake to get caught up with international issues like that... a natural disaster is one thing, because the situation has already gotten as bad as it'll get, and is in a state of repair. but a political situation truly never gets better, and can always get worse. imo they would be wise to just announce it's coming back on with 6.2 and sidestep the entire magpie they walked into.

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Wait they're leaving it off because of Ukraine? Do Ukrainians even make up 1% of the player base? How does a war in the eastern bloc effect jack shit over here?

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Originally Posted by Wolfenrir

Just auto demo doesn't help, but with the addition of new wards Auto Demo has to be activated so there's at least some sort of rotation or else adding new wards will end up being the exact same thing that's already happening, keep adding wards and keep auto demo on.

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Ok and you re-add it and now it's all active players... There are more active players on a server than there is housing. You would move around housing to those constantly playing sure but it won't free any new housing up the number is still the same.

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Originally Posted by Archaell

The auto-demolition should have never been stopped. I had several houses demolished during the breaks and it's insane for how long was the ownership kept even when not playing for months. The supply is low, the inactive plots have to be recycled as quickly as possible so that new owners get their turn with them.

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Mom says it's my turn to play house!

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

Wait they're leaving it off because of Ukraine? Do Ukrainians even make up 1% of the player base? How does a war in the eastern bloc effect jack shit over here?

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I don't really care where your "over here" is, I just know that I don't want to live there if this horrific attitude is shared by others living there. Yes, Ukrainians do play the game and yes, some of them are having to pause their lives, that once were just like your comfortable life, to defend themselves and their loved ones. They've lost so much and yet you want to take their in-game house too?

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

Wait they're leaving it off because of Ukraine? Do Ukrainians even make up 1% of the player base? How does a war in the eastern bloc effect jack shit over here?

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It's not just Ukraine being disrupted. There are other events around the world disrupting player lives, including a major earthquake in Japan back in March.

This is something that SE regularly does when there are major disasters or other events disrupting large regions. Since players aren't restricted to choosing worlds based on their geographic regions, demolition suspension tends to end up affecting all data centers though sometimes SE will limit it to just one region.

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Glad it is off personally, ofc that is because I have a house.
But being forced to keep a sub up for my house can get annoying when I am taking a break from the game.
prays for instanced housing

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Glad it is off personally, ofc that is because I have a house.
But being forced to keep a sub up for my house can get annoying when I am taking a break from the game.
prays for instanced housing

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Even unsubbed, all you have to do is log in once every 45 days, take about 5 steps and enter the house. It takes less than 5 minutes, less time than it took you to read this thread and post. If someone can’t even be bothered by that minimal and simple thing to do, it means the interest level is very low and I don’t see why they should keep the house instead of seeing it go to an active player.

Even if the supply is not sufficient, without auto demolition, there would probably not have been any housing market at all between the releases of Kugane and Empyreum. The inactive server population is several times that of the active server population. Auto demolition might not add many houses at a time but it is better than nothing. That being said, SE should add more wards and review the allocation of fc vs private housing too. Atm, the FC wards in Empyreum are practically empty and it just encourages people to leave genuine FCs and form shell FCs.

Agreed. The lottery is already becoming mundane after two cycles because houses are not being auto-demolished. What's the point of having houses auto-demolish if the functionality is turned off most of the year?

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Originally Posted by Aelin_Ashryver

Glad it is off personally, ofc that is because I have a house.
But being forced to keep a sub up for my house can get annoying when I am taking a break from the game.
prays for instanced housing

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As others have said, if players feel like it is annoying to keep a sub up to retain their in-game house, there is something fundamentally broken with Housing in FFXIV. Many players are simply not visiting their houses unless they need to keep them from being demolished. I personally have given up 2 mediums when I got tired of visiting them, but I am the exception amongst my in-game friends.

Players feel bad for not having a house.
Players feel bad for keeping a house.

Video games are for having fun, right? A game feature should not make this many players feel bad.

Auto Demo as it is isn't unlike plot relocation. It doesn't really...*change* the supply and demand, it just gives losing people a reroll on a different plot. And it's brutally punishing to anyone that wins a plot, and has life happen. it's even *worse* for a tenant of a personal house who can enter and leave all they want, but as I understand it...they don't reset the counter.

Honestly if auto demo were reimplemented it needs to be done differently. Tenants and owners should reset the counter, the grace period should be longer--closer to 3 or even 6 months, but on the same token...none of this grandfathered nonsense. If an FC or personal house isn't seeing *any* use from any of its caretakers, it should open up. But it needs to be done in a way that it's only really punishing idlers or people ultimately done with the game--that way you don't have people after a month going BACK into the housing pool, and competing with everyone else once again. Just how many times have we heard THAT story?

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Originally Posted by Eris4494

They should never disable it more than a month. It should be lowered to 2 weeks not entering your place it gets auto demolition for private housing and 1 month for FC housing.

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2 weeks for private and 1 month for FC? Shouldn't that be backwards? If a FC house doesn't have one person enter the house in a month, that seems far more likely "abandoned" than the individual who took a couple weeks off.

FC has more at stake if they loose there house than a private house does. Like Subs,Airships,workshop, and fc player rooms. So there auto demo should be higher than private housing.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

FC has more at stake if they loose there house than a private house does. Like Subs,Airships,workshop, and fc player rooms. So there auto demo should be higher than private housing.

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The FC has the added advantage of every single fc member being able to reset the timer by walking into the house though. You have to go into the house to get to the private rooms and to get to the workshop. If no one in the fc is entering the house for 45 days, the server should absolutely reclaim the plot.

I read a proposal on the Japanese side of the forum that demolition be selectively re-enabled for all datacenters except Europe. If technically possible this could be a very useful compromise.

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Originally Posted by Eris4494

They should never disable it more than a month. It should be lowered to 2 weeks not entering your place it gets auto demolition for private housing and 1 month for FC housing.

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If anything, the timer needs to be longer not shorter.. Especially when Yoshi REPEATEDLY says its OK for players to take breaks from the game and everything will be fine when they come back...

Remember this isn't something he said once years ago... It's something he states frequently!!!

But hey, at least while its suspended players can actually go take a break...

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Originally Posted by Eraden

You clearly didn't even bother reading my post. The number of plots that would be freed up by turning demolition back on, would NOT come even remotely close to satisfying even a mere fraction of the demand for housing. What you are asking for is NOT going to solve this problem. Adding more housing, a LOT more housing, IS.

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But at least it instills hope. Every auction there should be at least one small available, even if there 500 people vying for it.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

If anything, the timer needs to be longer not shorter.. Especially when Yoshi REPEATEDLY says its OK for players to take breaks from the game and everything will be fine when they come back...

Remember this isn't something he said once years ago... It's something he states frequently!!!

But hey, at least while its suspended players can actually go take a break...

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I kind of unironically agree with this, but ONLY on the condition there be a LOT more housing available than there currently is. Ideally supply wouldn't be an issue, auto-demo could be up to prevent people from still sitting on empty houses and using server space for nothing (non use, etc. If you've never used the housing plot you shouldn't have it is my feel.) but I kind of agree. If they boast that players should be able to take breaks, and be assured their hard work won't just disappear because they cannot pay a sub, aren't home, whatever, that'd be great. But to me it just seems like there is a current conflict of interest (People unable to play WITH houses vs the LARGE number who want houses, I don't know the exact numbers) that kind of keeps us between a rock and a hard place.

To me, Auto demo shouldn't be the way someone else gets a house*, it should be a tool to make sure servers are getting used and aren't sitting empty, never decorated, never used.

Something needs to be done. I have lost I know over 100 bids for a house. I know houses are not being used. some people don not even have an active sub. I think no active sub no house. Or maybe Square should just create more housing. I have had an active sub since I started played 4 years ago. Something needs to be done! when the new wow xpac comes out a bunch of people will most likely leave. which means more houses not being used.

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Originally Posted by Melitta

Something needs to be done. I have lost I know over 100 bids for a house. I know houses are not being used. some people don not even have an active sub. I think no active sub no house. Or maybe Square should just create more housing. I have had an active sub since I started played 4 years ago. Something needs to be done! when the new wow xpac comes out a bunch of people will most likely leave. which means more houses not being used.

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Good news, SE is adding 6 new additional wards per district (total of 1,800 plots) in less than two months time to all existing worlds! Given that the highest number of bids on Balmung which is the most congested world barely exceeds 1,000 bids during the lottery cycle, there will definitely be sufficient plots for everyone even with auto-demolition disabled.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

You clearly didn't even bother reading my post. The number of plots that would be freed up by turning demolition back on, would NOT come even remotely close to satisfying even a mere fraction of the demand for housing. What you are asking for is NOT going to solve this problem. Adding more housing, a LOT more housing, IS.

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They are just telling the truth. The slow trickle of auto demos wont cover the need. I am not angry at someones opinion esp when it is true, but that being said it would help some and some is better than none.

Goodmorning,
I came here to make a plea to turn auto demolition back on and am happy to see I am not the only one in suggesting this.

I applaud FFXIV for the amount of consideration they have for global circumstances affecting players but in the years I have been playing this game now, the demolition function has been more off then it was active. That is just not realistic nor fair in a MMORPG that has a lack of housing.

Currently players that aren’t paying for their subs and/or aren’t playing regularly get to hold on to their houses while active players that look for a house find none to buy week after week. The only plots opening up are from transfers or account deletions.

So yes, please turn it back on and keep it on.

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Originally Posted by Freedom4556

Housing auto-demolition should be re-enabled immediately. The lottery system will become inoperative within a few cycles if it is not. Patch 6.11a disabled the afk logout, so by the developers' own measures the server queues are stable.

Auto-demo was left off far too long during the pandemic until it became very apparent that it was going to be a long-term issue that the world at large is still dealing with. The "current world situation" as the NA team put it, is showing no signs that it will be any different, tragic as that is.

Leaving auto-demo off for nebulous lengths of time destroys all the hard work that has been put into overhauling the housing system.

Reference: Regarding Automatic Housing Demolition


Edit: I read a proposal on the Japanese side of the forum that demolition be selectively re-enabled for all datacenters except Europe. If technically possible this could be a very useful compromise.

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No it does not, we still have a crisis in Ukraine... it would be very selfish otherwise and upon that many because of the rising prices on everything has gone from being ok to having it quite a bit harder than before the Ukraine situation.

So NO absolutely not... it should not be turned off just yet it would be immoral.

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No it does not, we still have a crisis in Ukraine... it would be very selfish otherwise and upon that many because of the rising prices on everything has gone from being ok to having it quite a bit harder than before the Ukraine situation.

So NO absolutely not... it should not be turned off just yet it would be immoral.

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I agree. But I'm not sure you go far enough. As long as there is any inequity in the world the entire game should be put on hold. Its simply not fair that someone who may want to play who doesn't have a computer or money or time should be left out of the chance to compete for server/game wide firsts or titles or even fall behind in simply making gil.

Suspension of Auto-demolition started off as something that was done to address disasters - and they were placed regionally, not globally. On another thread, I actually listed/researched every time SE used auto-demolition. It was limited to:

• Weather events
• COVID19 Pandemic
• Endwalker release - due to login problems (I think?)

All of the weather events caused auto-demolition to be suspended for those data centers that served the affected area. So Hurricane Harvey in the US... NA DC suspended auto-demolition. Typhoon in Japan? JP DC suspended auto-demolition. COVID19 Pandemic, that was global - so all of them.

Russo-Ukraine War? Sorry, that should be EU only.

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Russo-Ukraine War? Sorry, that should be EU only.

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Wow, so you're just going to disregard the Reddit battalions that joined the fighting?

They should just make instanced housing - problem solved

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

No it does not, we still have a crisis in Ukraine... it would be very selfish otherwise and upon that many because of the rising prices on everything has gone from being ok to having it quite a bit harder than before the Ukraine situation.
So NO absolutely not... it should not be turned off just yet it would be immoral.

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That war could go on for years though. Js. Maybe make life priority OVER a game if you are in a warzone. They have disabled it for several months now. So just never restart it?

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Wow, so you're just going to disregard the Reddit battalions that joined the fighting?

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Never even heard of it. If it is what is sounds like, people on reddit volunteering to fight the war - I don't see what that has to do with this. There are plenty of servicemen and servicewomen deployed at all times. What does that have to do with a video game exactly?

Personally, I'd prefer they just remove it entirely and add enough wards to make everyone happy. SE set a precedent by disabling auto-demolition for events that affect that region. That's what they should stick to. I'm not losing any sleep over whether it is on or off.

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Originally Posted by Serenitey

That war could go on for years though. Js. Maybe make life priority OVER a game if you are in a warzone. They have disabled it for several months now. So just never restart it?

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Human lives is more important than this, sorry to say so, but it would leave a stain on SE, if you think it is only Ukraine that is hit by it, then you should take a look on the rest of the world as well is my suggestion, how many of us do not know someone, who is struggling with higher prices for a start?

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Originally Posted by dspguy

Suspension of Auto-demolition started off as something that was done to address disasters - and they were placed regionally, not globally. On another thread, I actually listed/researched every time SE used auto-demolition. It was limited to:

• Weather events
• COVID19 Pandemic
• Endwalker release - due to login problems (I think?)

All of the weather events caused auto-demolition to be suspended for those data centers that served the affected area. So Hurricane Harvey in the US... NA DC suspended auto-demolition. Typhoon in Japan? JP DC suspended auto-demolition. COVID19 Pandemic, that was global - so all of them.

Russo-Ukraine War? Sorry, that should be EU only.

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Current situation is world wide pretty much.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Human lives is more important than this, sorry to say so, but it would leave a stain on SE, if you think it is only Ukraine that is hit by it, then you should take a look on the rest of the world as well is my suggestion, how many of us do not know someone, who is struggling with higher prices for a start?

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So what? The game shouldn't be those peoples priority and the game shouldn't be handled based on what's going on in the world.

It's asinine to think it should.