30+ people for Lottery for Large Plot

Still think there should be more wards, and that isn't changing.

There should be more Large plots since it's been proven that there are more players that have more than 100 million gils since Shadowbringers.

Honestly, I have no idea what they were thinking giving so little personal wards for housing. I understand it was an issue in the past, but when you go forward after adding a new housing district, it thins things out. The issue is they gave us so little wards for personals that the current amount of people who do own personals in fc only locations now don't have as much room to move out. We have at least 40 people competing for a single large already, and the number is only going to grow.

I was excited for the lottery system, but whoever's idea this was just killed my chances of ever owning a large. I'll still play along for now, but it seriously needs to be addressed. We need more personal wards, or something has to be done about personal housing indefinitely.

Who needs a 100 million gil house when you can get 100 million gils worth of Bee's Knees dances at one of them cafes?

At present there are 78 bids across 2 private mansions on my server, 20 on goblet and 58 on mist.
FC houses have ofc far fewer bids, friend of mine has bid on a mansion for his FC and he is 1 of 3.

I would say all those bidding day one are more keen, so that is 76 private buyers who will fail and have no house. They not meeting demand ofc but... it's not THAT many people in the grand scheme of things.
I expect the popular servers to ofc have more bids. Still, they getting closer to meeting the need on my server at least. I still dream of instanced housing but hey ho. What do I care now, I have 2 mansions.

I'd like to let everyone know that it's been only past 8 hours and Mateus personal for Empyreum Medium is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...60/unknown.png

This is crazy for personal ward since there are only 19-24.

For those who think this is okay and who say things like "Stop complaining" "Be glad for what you have" are either those who touch grass and have housing and are satisfied, or who just don't care.

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Originally Posted by Aldotsk

Still think there should be more wards, and that isn't changing.

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NA and EU are slated to have four new worlds each opening in coming months, and an additional four for NA later down the line.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

NA and EU are slated to have four new worlds each opening in coming months, and an additional four for NA later down the line.

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In August, while true, it still won't fix the glaring housing issue that we currently have. It'll still likely be wards 19-24 for personals. And I DOUBT, anyone is going to want to transfer to a new server just to own a house and then go see friends on the other datacenter, it's a complete mess.

Nobody wanted to hear the dark side of the lottery back then. Nobody wanted to hear that lowering the entry options into housing will be bad for overall chances for getting an house. Thats only the beginning. Wait for the time when all plots are taken and only a few will open per lottery cycle. You will wish that the hidden timer would be still a thing.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

You will wish that the hidden timer would be still a thing.

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No thanks, will take Lottery over hidden timer any day. No matter how abysmal the chances.

Good riddance to placard clicking bots and 24/7 ward scanning bots who would instantly relocate into open mediums/larges.

Ultimately, this is a supply issue caused by SE's stubbornness in doubling down on the limited ward housing system over nearly the last 10 years. A system which is not a long-term, scalable solution as server populations increase.

Possible solutions to address the supply issue:
1. Improve apartments. Let us be able to upgrade them for gil into penthouses.
2. Make Island Sanctuary a viable alternative to ward housing.
3. Introduce a fully instanced housing system while keeping the existing ward housing.

This way players who just want any house, can go the fully instanced route. And those who want exclusive/flex houses can compete for ward houses.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

NA and EU are slated to have four new worlds each opening in coming months, and an additional four for NA later down the line.

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I think the bigger problem is, that there are still gil limits to transfer, and therefore it'll be difficult to buy a large in a fresh new server.

If I am wrong, please cite to correct me. Because I personally am not sure how it works.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

NA and EU are slated to have four new worlds each opening in coming months, and an additional four for NA later down the line.

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Yeah just completely abandon your world for like two chances at a house, and don't forget those 19 barren FC wards per housing district

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Originally Posted by Aldotsk

I think the bigger problem is, that there are still gil limits to transfer, and therefore it'll be difficult to buy a large in a fresh new server.

If I am wrong, please cite to correct me. Because I personally am not sure how it works.

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There's no gil limit when transferring to a new world. SE adds in some perks to entice players into giving them a population boost. You can check the information on the Home World Transfer information pages.

The problem is that new worlds lack a lot of things, including immediate access to housing. SE withholds it for several months before they allow players to buy.

It's not so bad if the new world is being added to an existing data center because you'll still have healthy populations filling duty queues and listing groups in PF, and world visit is quick to use if you need to check another world's market board for items. When the new worlds end up segregated on a new data center, things are much emptier. Data center travel might be upcoming but if you're spending almost all your time on your old data center because there's no reason to be on your new one, what was the point of transferring?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There's no gil limit when transferring to a new world. SE adds in some perks to entice players into giving them a population boost. You can check the information on the Home World Transfer information pages.

The problem is that new worlds lack a lot of things, including immediate access to housing. SE withholds it for several months before they allow players to buy.

It's not so bad if the new world is being added to an existing data center because you'll still have healthy populations filling duty queues and listing groups in PF, and world visit is quick to use if you need to check another world's market board for items. When the new worlds end up segregated on a new data center, things are much emptier. Data center travel might be upcoming but if you're spending almost all your time on your old data center because there's no reason to be on your new one, what was the point of transferring?

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It might, emphasis on might be worth to transfer for housing if housing was actually guaranteed. But there's no guarantee that you'll actually win a house. So in addition to leaving the friends you've made on your current server, losing access to organized DC events like hunts or fishing expeditions, much longer roulette queue times, there's a good chance you'll lose the bid on your house as well due to RNG. So it's definitely not worth it, for me at least.

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Originally Posted by Aldotsk

I'd like to let everyone know that it's been only past 8 hours and Mateus personal for Empyreum Medium is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...60/unknown.png

This is crazy for personal ward since there are only 19-24.

For those who think this is okay and who say things like "Stop complaining" "Be glad for what you have" are either those who touch grass and have housing and are satisfied, or who just don't care.

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While i won't say it's ok. I will ask what did players expect when they asked for this dumb lottery system anyway? it seems like everyone was under the delusion they'd all win..or only 3 or 4 people would bid on a plot.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

NA and EU are slated to have four new worlds each opening in coming months, and an additional four for NA later down the line.

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That'd most likely only be usefull to newer players. or those who are so heavily solo focussed that community means nothing.. many of the already existing worlds are already dead. super low population its why players avoid them.

Why don't you guys look at the count on small houses?

For fun I went around 22 hours after lottery opened here on Gilgamesh to look at bids on the available larges. So Far Emperyum plot 30 ward 19 - 57 entries, I'm one of them.

Shirogane plot 30 ward 20 - 80 entries.

Goblet plot 5 ward 19 - 12 entries. Goblet plot 35 ward 22 - 9 entries. Goblet plot 43 Ward 23 - 14 entries. (can't say I'm surprised at these low entries here for Goblet, most hated district by a mile).

LB plot 58 ward 23 - 33 entries. LB plot 6 Ward 24 - 31 entries.

Mist plot 5 ward 23 - 55 entries. Mist plot 45 Ward 22 - 33 entries

Lots of demand for large plots and it's been less than 24 hours since lottery opened. 324 entries total on 9 available larges. We would need based on this number of entries thus far at least 55 more wards to meet the demand for large housing on Gilgamesh.

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Originally Posted by Yodada

Nobody wanted to hear the dark side of the lottery back then. Nobody wanted to hear that lowering the entry options into housing will be bad for overall chances for getting an house. Thats only the beginning. Wait for the time when all plots are taken and only a few will open per lottery cycle. You will wish that the hidden timer would be still a thing.

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i,d still choose the lottery. to stand at a placard clicking until the end of time is a hard pass for me.

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Originally Posted by Aldotsk

I think the bigger problem is, that there are still gil limits to transfer, and therefore it'll be difficult to buy a large in a fresh new server.

If I am wrong, please cite to correct me. Because I personally am not sure how it works.

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the gil restrictions are gone and have been for sometime

* The amount of gil that can be transferred is limited to 999,999,999 gil per character and retainer (including any gil attached to a moogle letter).Apr 12, 2022

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Why don't you guys look at the count on small houses?

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Since you asked. My previous post focused on the larges and I won't go into much detail as I did there but I'll break it down by location.

Mist 9 plots open for bidding - number of total entries 81. Highest number being 13 with lowest at 4.

LB 15 plots open for bidding - number of total entries 148. Highest number being 21 with lowest at 7.

Goblet 18 plots open for bidding - number of total entries 74. Highest number being 14 with lowest at 2.

Shirogane 14 plots open for bidding - number of total entries 160. Highest number being 23 with lowest at 5.

Emperyum 6 plots open for bidding - number of total entries 138. Highest number being 30 with lowest at 20.

Total number of small plots open - 62. Total number of all entries - 601

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

No thanks, will take Lottery over hidden timer any day. No matter how abysmal the chances.

Good riddance to placard clicking bots and 24/7 ward scanning bots who would instantly relocate into open mediums/larges.

Ultimately, this is a supply issue caused by SE's stubbornness in doubling down on the limited ward housing system over nearly the last 10 years. A system which is not a long-term, scalable solution as server populations increase.

Possible solutions to address the supply issue:
1. Improve apartments. Let us be able to upgrade them for gil into penthouses.
2. Make Island Sanctuary a viable alternative to ward housing.
3. Introduce a fully instanced housing system while keeping the existing ward housing.

This way players who just want any house, can go the fully instanced route. And those who want exclusive/flex houses can compete for ward houses.

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I was thinking about this as I watched the number for the only two mansions in personal wards go up.
Another possible fix could be to have all plots being the same size, and all houses having the same footprint and cost, and then the cost would come when you go to build the bones. Sort of like animal crossing and swtor :-) You buy a one room and you can keep upgrading.
So a small would be two floor (bigger than an apartment/FC room)
A Med would be three floors.
A Mansion would be 4. Or something like that.

It would help to keep the ward concept, but it would also space out the bidding and allow people who want a specific size house to have it, instead of 70+ people trying to lot on 2 mansions.

I would also accept the Island Sanctuary being a replacement for housing if I could have a mansion type space to play designer with. :-)

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Originally Posted by Irishfae

I was thinking about this as I watched the number for the only two mansions in personal wards go up.
Another possible fix could be to have all plots being the same size, and all houses having the same footprint and cost, and then the cost would come when you go to build the bones. Sort of like animal crossing and swtor :-) You buy a one room and you can keep upgrading.
So a small would be two floor (bigger than an apartment/FC room)
A Med would be three floors.
A Mansion would be 4. Or something like that.

It would help to keep the ward concept, but it would also space out the bidding and allow people who want a specific size house to have it, instead of 70+ people trying to lot on 2 mansions.

I would also accept the Island Sanctuary being a replacement for housing if I could have a mansion type space to play designer with. :-)

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Island Sanctuary isn't housing, not in any shape way or form. And plenty of people have offered up this upgrade housing size, and the argument I've seen against it is the plots are hard coded to be that size and only that size.

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Originally Posted by EthanXdeath

Island Sanctuary isn't housing, not in any shape way or form. And plenty of people have offered up this upgrade housing size, and the argument I've seen against it is the plots are hard coded to be that size and only that size.

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I know IS isn't housing, but adding that feature wouldn't be a bad thing.
I also understand the hard coding element, but if there is to be a fundamental change in how housing works, then the bones would need to be changed as well. That would probably make for some issues for the people who have houses already, but there is usually a way around it.
It also doesn't hurt to bring the topic back up again. :-)

well I hope I get to move my FC into a medium then... even though have to battle many... however, it is a fair game.

This entire thread is evidence they should cease any other development on housing/wards until they add instanced homesteads with houses. FCs do not need that much space, but given that they were just outright given first dibs on every single large in the 2/3rds of the wards they had access to (or the shell FCs of which there are many, some as open as "PayMe") even opening up FC wards to personal buyers will no longer fix the issue because of their lack of foresight. Its a joke in the first place, because 90% of the time you only have 1 person decorating the FC house themselves; its not even unlike personal housing in any way as far as player experience goes. Anyone who doesnt have a house still wont get to decorate one of their desired size.

Smalls and mediums serve just as many FC apartments as a large FC house. The company workshops are the same. There was no need for them to do that other than vanity, and that should have been a level playing field for everyone.

I wasn't able to log in before the lottery resolved, but the number, last night, was over 252+ people lotting on 3 large plots. And if they keep to 6 larges in main & sub wards, the demand is just going to keep increasing

Hopefully, now that we're seeing some numbers regarding housing demands, changes can be put into place so maybe the other 249+ people might have some hope of getting a large plot.