We need to stop attacking eachother

And focus all hatred against this housing system.

They lie. They say something cannot be done and then some modder goes and proves it can be done. I never want to hear from a dev, 'that is not possibe'.

It is possible. They just do not want to devote the time and resources to it. Which is fine! That is entirely their decision to make. But I refuse to sit and smile while they lie to my face repeatedly.

The housing system is bad. They need to add instanced housing. They CAN do it. They may not think it is worth the effort. It may conflict with what they want housing to be. That does not change the fact that it can be done.

So let's come together as a community and force the issue. Direct our anger not at each other but at a system that is so very very very bad and entirely unnecessary.

If they add instanced housing will it be an inferior version of housing? Or are they going to make all housing instanced and remove neighborhoods?
If they're going to release an inferior version of housing with most features stripped out just to make it instanced they can keep their house then. I'm fine with going for a small house, but having one that is objectively worse or harder to access than a neighborhood house is a nonstarter. You can already see that Apartments are not well liked at all for events or visiting other players, what would make an instanced house any different if there's a non-instanced version that's objectively superior to it? Why would anyone take that except as a shitty consolation prize until they can get a real house?

The game’s instanced more than enough,

Wards are also instanced, minus the server having few homes within which barely has any effect.

You can’t apply by saying “Well ESO GW had this & that”. Discard yourself away with that though, otherwise forevermore torment yourself by not getting what you sought for.

On the other hand, apartments/FC rooms should be improvise upon expanding the room area, increase items limit past 100, option to add roommate aking to housing tenant, and/or add another room for purchase optionally.

This might drive players to shift their interests for apartments/FC rooms aside from housing

If everyone can get their own personal instanced island (which is cool but nobody asked for it as far as I'm aware), then the devs most certainly could have introduced instanced houses.

I'm not sure why people feel that instanced houses would necessitate taking something away. They can leave the neighbourhoods as they are for the people that like them. It would just be nice to be offered a choice, especially now personal houses are limited to a small proportion of the wards.

The option of an instanced house would be a great addition to the game. There are not enough medium and large houses to meet demand. If they went for instanced then everyone could have the size they want, and probably have more items in the outside space.

The ward system is deeply flawed. Outside furnishing limits are tiny and there are a lot of unattractive plots. So many houses look straight into their neighbour's yard, some waterfront houses in Shirogane even face away from the water and the nice view across the bay. These issues are replicated across all the areas. There are a handful of really nice plots but far too many are badly positioned either with a poor view or well away from amenities. The only reason this isn't brought up more is because supply is so short; people are just grateful to get a house, any house.

I am not advocating that wards should be removed, but housing could be done much better. With instanced everyone could have a nice view and everyone could be close to the MB and the Bell. The ward system alone is never going to be able to meet demand on the busier worlds, an instanced system running alongside would be an elegant and practical solution to the shortage.

Housing already instanced what are you talking about, you need to load when getting in all kind of houses. Wards also instanced. Apartment also instanced. In fact Server and World also one big instanced lmao.

I think what you want is free house for everyone.

Everything’s relative after all

So it wouldn't make much of a difference to "really" instance housing, right?
I just imagine having to wait i a queue for a party to go to your neighbourhood ^^

I get that SE wants to foster "community" and that a lot of the playerbase does in fact enjoy this, but I think it could have been done a lot better.

I think a win win would be to keep the wards as is, but also institute a solo instanced version of a house (Like Rift and SWToR have...and I am sure there are many others). I would love to be able to buy a house for my FC/self of any size I want so that I can get the benefit of gardening and non cluttered decorating. It hurts no-one as if you want to showcase your home then you can hope to the RNG that you win a house in the "shared" wards, but if you are cursed with bad luck then you can still enjoy a feature of the game that SE very poorly thought out.

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Housing already instanced what are you talking about, you need to load when getting in all kind of houses. Wards also instanced. Apartment also instanced. In fact Server and World also one big instanced lmao.

I think what you want is free house for everyone.

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I don't think you understand at all what they are talking about in terms of instancing.

Currently, we have to enter an instance to get into one of 24 wards, 60 plots. From there, we go into one of two instances, division or subdivision. From there, we have to go into a house. From there (for FC) we have two more instances - workshop and private chambers.

So, we are going into instances, into instances, into instances, into instances. And, these are static, so they never change based on demand. From a purely technical aspect, this is so inefficient of NOC servers, it should make any IT person cry and keel over from the self-inflicted pain that SE is putting on themselves.
You can actually keep the structure now, but change the instancing and yes, increase the areas. Instead of the 19th Century methodology, you keep your initial interface of going to a residential instance, with all the names that appear on the interface so you know which person's residence you want to travel.

You add two things to that interface:
1. A search feature much like we have now (and) even incorporate the existing player search function to integrate with housing location (it's already in the game when you right click a person's name in your friend list. You can even travel directly to their house from that menu if teleportation is on).
2. Add a single 'common place' or 'area' for people to one into housing without going to anyone's house directly from the interface.

From the main residential interface, you make each name selectable to travel to instead of a general ward. You go directly to the house you want to visit. The 'instancing' of a house begins at the outside gate, and not the front door. By placing the instance at the entrance to the property, you can have 300 people go to the same house but each one has their own residence, including the yard for gardening. Inside the residence, leave private chambers and workshops as they are for FCs. Obviously, private residences won't have those features, but it won't matter because the purchased instance at a plot by an FC would create that automatically like it does now. You can change the look of your instanced plot as we can do now with the exterior and yard. You can do everything you can do now - just change the instancing. For those people who enter housing via the general ward I stated, they can interface each house location, and bring up the same directory to select to enter, if allowed.


So you would have only one 'ward' division and subdivision, and at each house location is the instance. You could do away with the aetheryte crystal at each house, freeing up that slot. You get rid of all those huge wards that I am sure is taking up so many valuable resources in the NOC, and instance the plots at the plots themselves. It only creates what it needs, as an instance should be in the first place. That's the point. So you don't have houses sitting idle and vacant, when the system only creates them as they are purchased. It's less stress on servers, less stress on the player base, less stress on development.

Their only hurdle would be what to do with the existing wards, but you do that like any other major company - migration of service.

Besides all that I've said here, they have already PROVEN they can instance this. How do we know? Island Sanctuary. Those are instances per character/account (we don't know this yet), and there's at least 2 million active subs for the game (you can't take the entire 37 million, we know that many just don't play at any given time).

So yes, it's long overdue to address housing in the game.

LMAO. What a reflection of the world today.

OP says, "We should be kinder to each other!" and not a single person responds with support for that idea. Everyone focuses on the housing issue and the way we treat each other be damned.

Is it any surprise that the world is the way it is right now? Many (most?) people only care about how they feel in their head, and the issues they have in life. Everyone else can just jump off a cliff, for all they care.

Good going, folks.

I find it a bit ironic that you took the time to come into this thread and chastise eight different people because they spoke to what I believe was the main point the OP was making. Their reference to "stop attacking each other" did not list a specific grievance so I had no idea who was attacking whom or what about. I could be wrong, but I think they opened the thread the way they did for effect.

If you want to make the world a better place may I suggest that if all you have is a complaint you are welcome to keep it to yourself.

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And focus all hatred against this housing system.

They lie. They say something cannot be done and then some modder goes and proves it can be done. I never want to hear from a dev, 'that is not possibe'.

It is possible. They just do not want to devote the time and resources to it. Which is fine! That is entirely their decision to make. But I refuse to sit and smile while they lie to my face repeatedly.

The housing system is bad. They need to add instanced housing. They CAN do it. They may not think it is worth the effort. It may conflict with what they want housing to be. That does not change the fact that it can be done.

So let's come together as a community and force the issue. Direct our anger not at each other but at a system that is so very very very bad and entirely unnecessary.

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Hallelujah OP YES!! :)

Instanced housing in other games surpassed anything this game has shown so far, even PVP matches could be held in some of the private instanced zones yes we had various sized zones to decorate and build on from very small to immense!! not just a couple floors with 400 limit...and we could control weather, the skies!! EVERYTHING.
Players can still visit and enjoy other peoples buildings same as here .

No downfall to instanced IF they put some thought into it and used plyers suggestions when doing it.

The empty neighborhoods (for years), the same few styles of homes over and over and over, the extremely small item limits and "lot" size, the inability to build from scratch, and poor UI in FFXIV are no comparison.

SE please.

The core of the issue will always be there isn't enough housing to go around. IF they can managed to create enough wards for everyone to have their own house, fine. But as things stand there is enough housing for maybe 10% or so of the population on a given server. It could be even less depending on how many houses are monopolized by our virtual multi-account overlords. It's immensely frustrating to even try to get a house and I often give up as soon as I start looking.

Actually, once the new NA and EU data centers are up, there will be plenty of houses to go around if people are willing to shift servers. We are already seeing empty wards in Materia even after the 1st round of lottery and it's going to be the same in the new NA and EU data centers.

Especially with the new data center travel implemented in patch 6.18, there's no reason not to move servers if you want a house and still want to see your friend.

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If everyone can get their own personal instanced island (which is cool but nobody asked for it as far as I'm aware), then the devs most certainly could have introduced instanced houses.

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People have been asking indoor gardenind a lot

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LMAO. What a reflection of the world today.

OP says, "We should be kinder to each other!" and not a single person responds with support for that idea. Everyone focuses on the housing issue and the way we treat each other be damned.

Is it any surprise that the world is the way it is right now? Many (most?) people only care about how they feel in their head, and the issues they have in life. Everyone else can just jump off a cliff, for all they care.

Good going, folks.

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Only write "Hello" and "gg". Nothing else

Not sure why you would be nasty to a forum person here. We all have different opinions, that is what makes it interesting. How boring it would be if we all thought alike. I focus my ire where it belongs...on SE.

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People have been asking indoor gardenind a lot

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Only because they had given up all hope of getting a house. The issue here is the short supply of houses, which had the knock-on effect of limiting the supply of gardens and FC workshops.

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Actually, once the new NA and EU data centers are up, there will be plenty of houses to go around if people are willing to shift servers. We are already seeing empty wards in Materia even after the 1st round of lottery and it's going to be the same in the new NA and EU data centers.

Especially with the new data center travel implemented in patch 6.18, there's no reason not to move servers if you want a house and still want to see your friend.

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There are approximately 780,000 active characters over level 60 on NA worlds right now. Once the 4 new worlds are added this summer and that housing opened (probably in the Fall), there will be 201,600 houses to cover all those characters plus all the FCs that want houses.

How is that enough for NA players, even keeping in mind that about half those active characters are likely alts?

There are approximately 330,000 active characters over level 60 on EU worlds right now. Once the 4 new worlds are added this summer and that housing opened (probably in the Fall), there will be 115,600 houses to cover all those characters plus all the FCs that want houses.

How is that enough for EU players?

You need to keep in mind that Materia is in a unique situation (for now). The number of active characters over level 60 roughly matches the number of available houses but many of those characters belong to new players still learning game systems and figuring out how to make gil.

Also, data center travel will not be the boon you make it out to be for those who both want a house and want to play with their friends on another data center. If you're spending all your time on one data center to play with your friends, what's the point of having a house on a different data center that you'll only be able to visit with an annoying log out/log in process?

Right now, visiting my house (or the FC house or apartments for my house) is an integrated part of my game play. It's very easy to swing by my house to garden or check my retainers as I go from one bit of content to the next. If I were to transfer to the new data center but wanted to continue to play with my friends here, I could no longer do that.

The new worlds will be a boon for those who aren't active in a game community or prefer solo, self-sufficient play. They won't help those who enjoy being part of the active communities they already belong to. And they're not going to add nearly enough housing for the NA and EU players that are still trying to get a house.