Penalty for pre-made parties

Requesting to remove duty penalty when quitting pre-made party. I was capped in Poetics as we are doing DR50/60/70/80 and forgot to spend some before going in. At least reduce penalty to 15mins IF you can't remove it. Made no sense since we running with pre-made party (usually with friends)

Vote abandon didn't work? Even a pre-made party can have randoms in it that could possibly leave the rest of the party high and dry.

Unless im remembering it wrong, you need to be in the instance for a few mins before vote-abandon is an option - so im guessing they didnt wait long enough to use it. As for OP, a full group that straight-ques into any given instance has no penalty associated with it. The penalty only becomes active when the group ques for a roulette rather then a specific instance. The idea is that it stops(or at least deters) people from fishing for specific instances with their roulette bonus.

vote kick becomes active at 5 min.
vote abandon becomes active at 15 min (if i'm not mistaken). OP probably did not want to wait 15 min.

Its to prevent fishing, if you are a 4 man pre made and do a roulette for sample levelling, you could fish till you get a dungeon you want to do that's why your getting a penalty for leaving.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

Its to prevent fishing, if you are a 4 man pre made and do a roulette for sample levelling, you could fish till you get a dungeon you want to do that's why your getting a penalty for leaving.

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But why would that matter? They already added a function that limits you to dungeons close to the lowest level player if it's a full premade, so why would it matter if you go fishing for a dungeon?

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

But why would that matter? They already added a function that limits you to dungeons close to the lowest level player if it's a full premade, so why would it matter if you go fishing for a dungeon?

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Because "roulette" means "roulette". that's pretty much it.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

Because "roulette" means "roulette". that's pretty much it.

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Seems silly to me. The roulette exists to make sure new players can always have people to play with in older content. But once you remove the "new player" element, I don't think there really need to be penalties like that.

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

Seems silly to me. The roulette exists to make sure new players can always have people to play with in older content. But once you remove the "new player" element, I don't think there really need to be penalties like that.

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By the same logic, should there be no roulette rewards for full groups then? ;)

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

Seems silly to me. The roulette exists to make sure new players can always have people to play with in older content. But once you remove the "new player" element, I don't think there really need to be penalties like that.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

By the same logic, should there be no roulette rewards for full groups then? ;)

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Yup, this. Roulettes primarily are for filling in groups for new players that are queuing for a specific dungeon. Allowing full party roulettes with the reward that is meant to incentivize that always seemed very strange to me for that reason.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

By the same logic, should there be no roulette rewards for full groups then? ;)

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I see nothing wrong with this really. The whole point of the roulettes is to help randoms, both new players and older players alike so that they don't sit in queue watching for someone else to specifically queue up for their dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

Its to prevent fishing, if you are a 4 man pre made and do a roulette for sample levelling, you could fish till you get a dungeon you want to do that's why your getting a penalty for leaving.

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One party member just need t o lower their Ilvl to do that... so nah, they just didn't think about it.

i am 99% sure that if you are in a FULL preformed party, you can leave whenever without any penalty.. it ONLY penalises you if you leave a not 100% preformed(aka 1 random via duty finder situations) in which case.. you fucked that random over, you get a penalty

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Originally Posted by ZeraSkiratea

i am 99% sure that if you are in a FULL preformed party, you can leave whenever without any penalty.. it ONLY penalises you if you leave a not 100% preformed(aka 1 random via duty finder situations) in which case.. you fucked that random over, you get a penalty

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You still get that penalty if you queue for a roulette with an entirely premade party.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

Its to prevent fishing, if you are a 4 man pre made and do a roulette for sample levelling, you could fish till you get a dungeon you want to do that's why your getting a penalty for leaving.

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It shouldn't matter if people want to waste time fishing the roulette. More likely when people leave a premade roulette, it's due to being capped on tomes or queuing with the wrong comp.

Besides, if they cared about fishing for specific duties, then it wouldn't be possible to cheese ilvl. Most players don't cheese aside the 24mans despite it being possible in most roulettes. Any slight efficiency gain players would gain with an at-level dungeon would be lost by constantly backing out.


The real downside, if any, is constantly starting and closing instance servers, which shouldn't be a problem outside of raid patches and expansion launches, since this only affects roulettes.

It seems like an oversight that this penalty still exists.