Can MAC users be reported for playing right now?

One of my friends uses a MAC to play part of the time, and because Catalina OS does not natively supports xIv and SE has not addressed the issue directly, all MAC players are being forced to use a 3rd Party app to log in and play. Can stating in-game that they play on MAC be used to report them for using 3rd party tools?

There's a MAC logo at the bottom of this screen, so I'd say no.

Very very doubtful. Like betting odds level of doubtful. Not that it might not be a violation, but that anything would actually happen. As the person before me stated, the game actually does support MAC... or it's supposed to. Utilizing a 3rd party program to get around login issues is almost guaranteed to be so low on the priority list that it might as well not even exist.

That said, this very much reminds me of a self own type of moment lol. Akin to what you would expect some people to do after they committed a crime, but wanted to make sure they were in the clear by asking if what they did to cover it up was good enough lol. Obviously not the same thing, but comes off as that when I read it given the climate of the community today.

Yes, you can report us - if you know we are using a Mac and the launcher in question at any particular time.

(And notwithstanding the incredible loss of face SE would suffer in the gaming press, I also think the very strong trade practice laws in some countries would cause SE to take a rather large financial hit for any action they took on this one. Game's very broken unless you run the Apple equivalent of Windows 95)

The four people playing FFXIV on Mac are already suffering by using MacOS. No need to ban them.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Very very doubtful. Like betting odds level of doubtful. Not that it might not be a violation, but that anything would actually happen. As the person before me stated, the game actually does support MAC... or it's supposed to. Utilizing a 3rd party program to get around login issues is almost guaranteed to be so low on the priority list that it might as well not even exist.

That said, this very much reminds me of a self own type of moment lol. Akin to what you would expect some people to do after they committed a crime, but wanted to make sure they were in the clear by asking if what they did to cover it up was good enough lol. Obviously not the same thing, but comes off as that when I read it given the climate of the community today.

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I think anything that is running on your computer, that keeps everything working is probably fine. It's not like the devs actually said no mac can't play. In fact, there is a mac version. It had a terrible launch, but it improved, and considering that mac is different, nobody expects you not to have to do work arounds. As long as its only to run the software as it is intended, nobody will care.

It isn't any different than all this 3rd party tool banning stuff that is going on. SE can't detect it. It is when you talk about that it gets you in trouble. In the greater scheme of things, if MAC users are paying their sub, that's good enough. But if you were to, for example, stream your game on twitch and it shows you using a third party tool to login - then you could be banned.

Oh, and you = your friend, of course.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I think anything that is running on your computer, that keeps everything working is probably fine. It's not like the devs actually said no mac can't play. In fact, there is a mac version. It had a terrible launch, but it improved, and considering that mac is different, nobody expects you not to have to do work arounds. As long as its only to run the software as it is intended, nobody will care.

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I do expect to be able to play without workarounds since I've paid the same amount as any other player and they are STILL SELLING the Mac version... they just don't support it, haven't communicated with us since December and it currently does not even open without workarounds for anyone on the current OS and has not for quite a while. The lack of communication and support for any paying user is completely unacceptable.

That said, no you can not report all Mac users since not all Mac users are using an alternate loader since it's possible to still force the official launcher to open with either of these workarounds:

Option 1
1) Open Terminal
2) Paste or type in:

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cd '/Applications/FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE.app/Contents/SharedSupport/finalfantasyxiv' && bin/wine --bottle default --enable-alt-loader macdrv --wait-children --workdir 'C:/Program Files (x86)/SquareEnix/FINAL FANTASY XIV - A Realm Reborn/boot' ffxivboot64.exe

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3) Hit return and the official launcher now opens. Enjoy... until you realise this would have to be done EVERY time you want to open the official launcher.

Option 2
To make this less tedious, the above code snippet can be exported as an app so you don't need to open terminal each time just to play. This opens the official launcher, so therefore should not be against any rules.

1) Open Script Editor
2) Paste in the following:

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do shell script "cd '/Applications/FINAL FANTASY XIV ONLINE.app/Contents/SharedSupport/finalfantasyxiv' && bin/wine --bottle default --enable-alt-loader macdrv --wait-children --workdir 'C:/Program Files (x86)/SquareEnix/FINAL FANTASY XIV - A Realm Reborn/boot' ffxivboot64.exe"

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3) Go to File -> Export
4) Choose: File Format: Application
5) Save it where you'd like (Applications folder works)
6) Use that shiny new app to open the official launcher.


The above code is not mine and can be found here with more explanation exactly what it does as well as in this thread which gives even more info about this issue.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Yes, you can report us - if you know we are using a Mac and the launcher in question at any particular time.

(And notwithstanding the incredible loss of face SE would suffer in the gaming press, I also think the very strong trade practice laws in some countries would cause SE to take a rather large financial hit for any action they took on this one. Game's very broken unless you run the Apple equivalent of Windows 95)

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^ This! Their current treatment of Mac players would surely not be looked upon favourably, so I doubt they really want this to blow up in the media since we now know just how loud and widespread any negative press tends to spread.

Also, there is no way of knowing the player you would be reporting is actually using any unofficial launcher or even workaround, they could be willing to take the security risk of using and old, unpatched OS. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Yes, you can report us - if you know we are using a Mac and the launcher in question at any particular time.

(And notwithstanding the incredible loss of face SE would suffer in the gaming press, I also think the very strong trade practice laws in some countries would cause SE to take a rather large financial hit for any action they took on this one. Game's very broken unless you run the Apple equivalent of Windows 95)

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The game does not support any mac user that has an updated OS to monterey. Square has been aware of this issue for like a year and have no ETA on when they will address it yet they keep selling the game to people saying its playable for mac users when its not. I am honestly surprised this has not been on the news or media that they are basically robbing people of their money. I also am surprised they have not been sued yet.

They also don't support M1's which were first released back in 2020. What they did 'support' even then it was only Intel iMacs, none of the other models.

So the reality seems to be that they "did support" (a VERY small selection) of Macs but no longer do. They are however willing to continue selling it to Mac users but remain completely silent about actually supporting the current OS, the current range of Macs and to not even give any info when directly asked through support.

My guess at this point is that they thought they *might* support current Macs at some point, but when in the last official lodestone post (in December last year!) they said "Testing will continue and depending on the results, we will provide another update"... guess they didn't get the results they wanted so no update... not even a word.

Oh, that is of course until this where they tell everyone "If you plan to continue playing FINAL FANTASY XIV in either of these older OSs, please consider updating to their latest versions before the release of Patch 6.15." Which of course totally breaks the official MacOS launcher.

My takeaway is that even internally there's such a severe lack of communication that any Mac customer still keeping their sub going not only has the right to use any of the workarounds, I doubt it would be noticed since the FFXIV team seem not to have even noticed their launcher is broken!

TBH, When I started playing I was genuinely impressed by the open communication and care the devs here are known for, now I feel incredibly stupid for having believed it.

Asking if someone can be reported for some action is a stupid question.
You can report anyone for anything at any time. That doesn't mean SE will do anything about the person reported.

That anyone would be punished for being able to play FFXIV on a Mac is extremely unlikely.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Asking if someone can be reported for some action is a stupid question.
You can report anyone for anything at any time. That doesn't mean SE will do anything about the person reported.

That anyone would be punished for being able to play FFXIV on a Mac is extremely unlikely.

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I think the point they were making is that to actually play the game on Mac's current OS version you are probably using a 3rd party launcher since the official launcher doesn't work without a workaround as posted earlier.

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Originally Posted by CieraNighthawk

One of my friends uses a MAC to play part of the time, and because Catalina OS does not natively supports xIv and SE has not addressed the issue directly, all MAC players are being forced to use a 3rd Party app to log in and play. Can stating in-game that they play on MAC be used to report them for using 3rd party tools?

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