Suggestion: Nerf Airships/Workshops

As it stands, Airships are part of the biggest issues with housing. They are a motivation for people to hoard multiple free company houses on alts, and buy up wards for their airships. Airships need to be nerfed.

Start by making it so that people can have their own airship workshop in and out of free companies. Giving every single player the ability to have a custom airshop would go a long way at evening the market.

Two, make it so that you can only own ONE free company house per account. I know its tricky because of the systems in place. I get it, some of you might have alts in different companies, and if you have housing rights on those characters, it could get messy, but Square Enix needs to devise a way to fix this. Also make it so that you can't use multiple free company characters to buy out a house. Make it so that each free company only buy bid on one house at a time.

Three, Instanced airship workshops that are separate from housing, and maybe even workshops for personal houses would do a lot for nerfing these. Making it accessible for all would go a long way. Every player should be entitled to have their own airship. We are the hero of the world for mog sake. We should all get a stake in the content.

Single FC owner here and I disagree.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Two, make it so that you can only own ONE free company house per account.

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What is it with people saying 1 per account these days. How about instead we have SE provide enough housing that it doesn't matter. In SWTOR I own every available property you can own, permanently, even if I stop playing for 7 years and then return it will still be there. And no one cares I am a multi-home owner because everyone has the same sort of access on their own accounts provided they have the cred to unlock it all.

Which is ultimately what irritates me about this. Everyone wants things taken away from everyone else. (Up until you get yours, then you will abruptly stop caring.) How about instead we press SE to provide enough for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

What is it with people saying 1 per account these days. How about instead we have SE provide enough housing that it doesn't matter. In SWTOR I own every available property you can own, permanently, even if I stop playing for 7 years and then return it will still be there. And no one cares I am a multi-home owner because everyone has the same sort of access on their own accounts provided they have the cred to unlock it all.

Which is ultimately what irritates me about this. Everyone wants things taken away from everyone else. (Up until you get yours, then you will abruptly stop caring.) How about instead we press SE to provide enough for everyone.

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And then asking for stuff like the lottery makes SE feel justified in locking out owners from all but a very small portion of housing because "Well, everyone has an equal shot in the lottery."

I agree that there really needs to be less asking for concessions and more asking why one of the biggest and most popular MMOs has the worst housing system of the top 20 and then some.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

And then asking for stuff like the lottery makes SE feel justified in locking out owners from all but a very small portion of housing because "Well, everyone has an equal shot in the lottery."

I agree that there really needs to be less asking for concessions and more asking why one of the biggest and most popular MMOs has the worst housing system of the top 20 and then some.

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The lotto is a stop gap. A Band-Aid. Something to use in the interim while they re-evaluate housing and figure out how to make it available to everyone. I don't care if this is building a new housing system from the ground up (that's instanced), re-thinking Island Sanctuaries to make them personal housing, or something else. But they absolutely cannot continue like this. The wards take too much by way of resources, and the game is too popular to continue with the housing situation as it is.

Putting up barriers, restricting how many one can own, etc and are not a permanent solution and shouldn't be thought of as such.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

The lotto is a stop gap. A Band-Aid. Something to use in the interim while they re-evaluate housing and figure out how to make it available to everyone. I don't care if this is building a new housing system from the ground up (that's instanced), re-thinking Island Sanctuaries to make them personal housing, or something else. But they absolutely cannot continue like this. The wards take too much by way of resources, and the game is too popular to continue with the housing situation as it is.

Putting up barriers, restricting how many one can own, etc and are not a permanent solution and shouldn't be thought of as such.

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I just want to reiterate that no one knows if Island Sanctuary will actually have housing. The devs even hinted to temper our expectations, so I'm leaning toward it not. I really hope to be wrong, but the community has grabbed that update by the balls, and assumed so hard that Island Sanctuary will be the solution everyone is hoping for.

I'm actually legit scared of the community response when its not the thing people wanted. The forums were bad enough with the modding controversies, and the lottery glitches. Imagine months upon months of built up excitement that the devs didn't even plan on delivering, suddenly steeping to a sudden standstill, because everyone made up rumors that weren't reality.

Be careful, I know this fanbase won't, but don't say I didn't warn you.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I just want to reiterate that no one knows if Island Sanctuary will actually have housing. The devs even hinted to temper our expectations, so I'm leaning toward it not. I really hope to be wrong, but the community has grabbed that update by the balls, and assumed so hard that Island Sanctuary will be the solution everyone is hoping for.

I'm actually legit scared of the community response when its not the thing people wanted. The forums were bad enough with the modding controversies, and the lottery glitches. Imagine months upon months of built up excitement that the devs didn't even plan on delivering, suddenly steeping to a sudden standstill, because everyone made up rumors that weren't reality.

Be careful, I know this fanbase won't, but don't say I didn't warn you.

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But, yeah we do know.

If that were taking the place of housing, then the Firmament and Ishgard Restoration wouldn't have been as big of a chore as it was when we built it back.

• The lottery would not have been put into place just before an instanced housing solution, or even an option.
• Housing being such a hot topic, I believe that they would have announced it after such a debacle with the zero lottery bug, which wouldn't have been a thing if Island was housing in the first place.
• Yoshi-P is against non-neighborhood housing - frankly something he needs to get over, because it's not about what he wants, it's about what his player-base would want to continue being successful.
• Yoshi-P already stated to curb expectations about Island Sanctuary. Yes, we could place buildings and some housing type furnishings, which would be like a garden shed or something maybe like a dog house for minions. This != housing.

And, hey, color me surprised if it actually was housing. It would just prove that they had the capability to instance housing like we have been asking for - for what, 4 years or so now? But that would just make them look so bad.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I just want to reiterate that no one knows if Island Sanctuary will actually have housing. The devs even hinted to temper our expectations, so I'm leaning toward it not. I really hope to be wrong, but the community has grabbed that update by the balls, and assumed so hard that Island Sanctuary will be the solution everyone is hoping for.

I'm actually legit scared of the community response when its not the thing people wanted. The forums were bad enough with the modding controversies, and the lottery glitches. Imagine months upon months of built up excitement that the devs didn't even plan on delivering, suddenly steeping to a sudden standstill, because everyone made up rumors that weren't reality.

Be careful, I know this fanbase won't, but don't say I didn't warn you.

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Reading comprehension is an important skill to hone. No where in there did I say that's what Island Sanctuaries will be. I'm well aware that as of right now we're being asked to temper expectations.

I said:

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re-thinking Island Sanctuaries to make them personal housing

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In a laundry list of things SE can and should think about doing to improve the housing situation to make it something everyone has access to.

Just allow it in all kinds of housing FC as Private... then problem is solved.

What a terrible suggestion. I poured a lot of time in my workshop and had plenty of fun with it. What Square Enix should do is forced demolition with grandfathered FC houses.

Edit: Oh and whlle at it they should forcibly demolish houses from accounts that have more than 1 FC and more than 1 personal houses. Do keep the workshop intact, I really don't want to see another fun content getting run to the ground.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

The lotto is a stop gap. A Band-Aid. Something to use in the interim while they re-evaluate housing and figure out how to make it available to everyone. I don't care if this is building a new housing system from the ground up (that's instanced), re-thinking Island Sanctuaries to make them personal housing, or something else. But they absolutely cannot continue like this. The wards take too much by way of resources, and the game is too popular to continue with the housing situation as it is.

Putting up barriers, restricting how many one can own, etc and are not a permanent solution and shouldn't be thought of as such.

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I'd love to believe this but I haven't seen any indication from SE that they ever plan to provide sufficient housing...

The assumption is flawed and OP doesn't seem to understand how much effort needs to be made when people create their airships and submarines and how much time needs to be spent until they finally break even.
Sounds like sour grapes to me. If you're this obsessed with this content, get a small house in Empyreum to do it. You'll see how it's not the easiest way to earn money.

The fact that airships and submarines are attached to housing is something that bugs me and is something that seems to contribute to the large amount of houses that go basically unused.

I think the best solution is to just take the workshop and put it in the FC's Grand Company. Use the same door Squadron bases use. Detach it from housing entirely. This'd probably take reworking code-wise so I doubt they'd ever do it, but it'd get the people who hoard houses just for the workshops to stop. Nothing else needs to be changed because then everyone'd have access to it with an FC, which is quite easy to make. Maybe give it the same Rank 6 requirement that houses have, just to keep that consistent.

Not only would moving the workshops mean that workshops are more accessible, it means that FC members could potentially actually have a tie to an FC's Grand Company. Because currently the only people who have anything to do with the Grand Company directly are high-ranking members. It would flesh that connection out a bit more. There is no reason for workshops to be locked behind housing. If it's a gil thing, make adding the workshop to the Grand Company area require gil. But other than that I have no idea why they did this.

Note: I'm a pretty new player. Maybe I'm missing something here.

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Originally Posted by TakumiHarada

...OP doesn't seem to understand how much effort needs to be made when people create their airships and submarines and how much time needs to be spent until they finally break even...

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Yeah, most people also desire gardens to grow Thav Onions and Jute, dreaming of gil showering from the heavens, like scrooge McDuck with $ signs in his eyes. Then after they get a house and start they realise that it's complex and not at all fun, so they drop it faster than a hot potato. Just wander around any housing district and look at the empty - or dead - garden plots.

Same with the workshop, it IS a lot of work, time, and gil to get started - it's complex - and it's something you need to keep at every day, like gardens, or you remain low level and abandoned.

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Originally Posted by katthekat

... There is no reason for workshops to be locked behind housing ...

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It's historical. Originally you needed to have 4 people in the workshop when you advanced a stage.

I'd be wary that anything they did to it to change it would end up with a zero-like-bug and FCs already at max would lose actual years of progress.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

It's historical. Originally you needed to have 4 people in the workshop when you advanced a stage.

I'd be wary that anything they did to it to change it would end up with a zero-like-bug and FCs already at max would lose actual years of progress.

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Definitely would take a lot of reworking and would more than likely risk a lot. Why I doubt it'd ever happen. It's disappointing because currently it doesn't seem necessary to be locked behind housing and is causing more harm than good to the housing system as a whole by being attached to it. But I guess this is what we're stuck with unless they figure out some way to fix it.

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Originally Posted by katthekat

...It's disappointing because currently it doesn't seem necessary to be locked behind housing and is causing more harm than good to the housing system as a whole by being attached to it...

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The problem really is overstated. It might seem like there are a lot, but that doesn't hold much water when you drill into the numbers.

Here is Aether, and it's about 20 to 50 houses per server there. So only about 0.5% of housing. And in the grand scheme of things, that's a drop in the ocean.

https://i.gyazo.com/9aa84840cdce01ba...12164de3f2.png

The larger point people have is "I don't want to miss out on this easy gil", and it's said above, it's far from easy in the preparation. Gardening proves that most people will give up before spending the many millions of gil, many many days of real time, and a year or so grinding airships and subs up to level 95.

And for those people who really want to, and understand the initial outlay in gil and time, and that they won't see anything for up to a year (depending on RNG) it's possible to form a rank 6 FC and do it too right now. There is literally nothing stopping anyone doing this, and it's likely more possible now, than before with the 18 FC wards.

There is nothing stopping people from getting their feet wet - outside of the tenacity to sit down and do it, every single day, for about a year.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

I'd love to believe this but I haven't seen any indication from SE that they ever plan to provide sufficient housing...

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Not necessarily sufficient, and naturally will only suffice temporarily, if at all, but do keep in mind we've got entire new data centers coming down the pipeline to spread out populations and ease up the pressure for NA and EU.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

As it stands, Airships are part of the biggest issues with housing. They are a motivation for people to hoard multiple free company houses on alts, and buy up wards for their airships. Airships need to be nerfed.

Start by making it so that people can have their own airship workshop in and out of free companies. Giving every single player the ability to have a custom airshop would go a long way at evening the market.

Two, make it so that you can only own ONE free company house per account. I know its tricky because of the systems in place. I get it, some of you might have alts in different companies, and if you have housing rights on those characters, it could get messy, but Square Enix needs to devise a way to fix this. Also make it so that you can't use multiple free company characters to buy out a house. Make it so that each free company only buy bid on one house at a time.

Three, Instanced airship workshops that are separate from housing, and maybe even workshops for personal houses would do a lot for nerfing these. Making it accessible for all would go a long way. Every player should be entitled to have their own airship. We are the hero of the world for mog sake. We should all get a stake in the content.

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Suggestion -- NO :)

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Not necessarily sufficient, and naturally will only suffice temporarily, if at all, but do keep in mind we've got entire new data centers coming down the pipeline to spread out populations and ease up the pressure for NA and EU.

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That's assuming players are willing to transfer to those worlds.

EU might work out since the new worlds this summer will be going to the existing data centers.

NA is going to be a hard sell with the new worlds going to a new data center. Materia was a harsh lesson and NA players will lack some of the incentives the OCE players had (lower ping, creating a local community).

With housing likely to be withheld for months as we saw with Materia and Spriggan/Twintania, what's the point of transferring?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

That's assuming players are willing to transfer to those worlds.

EU might work out since the new worlds this summer will be going to the existing data centers.

NA is going to be a hard sell with the new worlds going to a new data center. Materia was a harsh lesson and NA players will lack some of the incentives the OCE players had (lower ping, creating a local community).

With housing likely to be withheld for months as we saw with Materia and Spriggan/Twintania, what's the point of transferring?

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It'll see a huge population boom by 7.0 at the latest when folks realize they won't have to sit in queue for hours.

Besides, all devs have to do is arbitrarily designate more NA worlds as congested to further funnel players over.

The only lesson Materia teaches is what sensible folks already knew: you can't expect a viable population overnight. Shit takes time. But nobody has the patience for that.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

...With housing likely to be withheld for months as we saw with Materia and Spriggan/Twintania, what's the point of transferring?

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For those currently without a house, the point of transferring is a chance of a large in an almost empty ward:

https://i.gyazo.com/f70206adc6136bb4...1ae0955cfd.jpg

And unlike us on Materia, youse guys will be able to DC travel to the other NA datacentres, so you won't have queue nor market problems like us.

100% of the benefits, 0% of the pain.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

And unlike us on Materia, youse guys will be able to DC travel to the other NA datacentres, so you won't have queue nor market problems like us.

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We've been told two things about DC travel. It involves logging out to character or server select and we'll be able to group. What hasn't been clarified is if we'll be able to trade. Currently CWLS and FC chat works while visiting other worlds within your DC but I have no expectation that it'll work cross DC.

Statics won't have to break up but people won't use DC travel casually. If trade is prohibited then I doubt it'll see much more than very occasional use.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

For those currently without a house, the point of transferring is a chance of a large in an almost empty ward:

And unlike us on Materia, youse guys will be able to DC travel to the other NA datacentres, so you won't have queue nor market problems like us.

100% of the benefits, 0% of the pain.

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Stop and think about the practical situation, not the hypothetical.

FC chat and all linkshells are cut off when you data center travel (unless you join a cross world linkshell on that data center). You end up in a silent world other than what's happening in shout chat or party chat if you've joined a party.

You have no access to your house or your retainers when you're on that other data center.

You can stay on your home world and data center but as you point out, it's pretty dead. Part of the MMO experience is being around other players. If you're finding yourself spending most of your time on another data center because that's where players are, why would you leave it? Little point in having a house if you're always traveling abroad so you almost never see it.

At the same time, your absence from your home data center does nothing to help improve it. You're spending your money elsewhere instead of helping your local economy. You're doing content elsewhere, doing nothing to help fill queues/parties on your home data center.

Imagine how dead Materia would feel right now if you could data center travel. Players from other data centers have little reason to visit Materia while Materia players have reasons to visit the other data centers. What already feels lacking to many Materia players would lack even more.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

We've been told two things about DC travel. It involves logging out to character or server select and we'll be able to group. What hasn't been clarified is if we'll be able to trade. Currently CWLS and FC chat works while visiting other worlds within your DC but I have no expectation that it'll work cross DC.

Statics won't have to break up but people won't use DC travel casually. If trade is prohibited then I doubt it'll see much more than very occasional use.

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They went over the differences between data center travel and world visit in one of the recent live letters.

The main difference is the chat restrictions. No access to FC chat or home world linkshells while using data center travel. Cross world linkshells will only work when you're on the data center where the cwl was created but we'll be able to join the cwls on other data centers if we want.

Trading and marketboards will work just like they do with world visit. I imagine legendary node gathering being restricted to home world only will also remain in place (not that the chances of doubling up on a node would be likely with the time needed to transfer between data centers and get back to the node).

There seems to be a misconception that empty FC houses are not being used because they only run subs. If you only know the work it takes to level up 4 subs and outfit them to farm gil, you wouldn’t say much. It takes longer to rank 1 sub to max than to decorate a house 10 times over. Yall sound extremely ignorant when saying nonsense like that.

Submersibles are effort gated in this game.

Alot of Large FCs don’t even touch their workshops, and that is probably the biggest waste of all.

What if there was a post saying all FCs without a max ranked workshop should lose their house because they are not even using it?

Try having some standards and maybe the devs will take your suggestions seriously.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They went over the differences between data center travel and world visit in one of the recent live letters.

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I missed the last one or two. I expected trading and MB to work, happy to have that confirmed. Would suck to find yourself w/o pots on raid night and have to transfer back to get more.

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Originally Posted by ForbiddenMonk

There seems to be a misconception that empty FC houses are not being used because they only run subs. If you only know the work it takes to level up 4 subs and outfit them to farm gil, you wouldn’t say much. It takes longer to rank 1 sub to max than to decorate a house 10 times over. Yall sound extremely ignorant when saying nonsense like that.

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The level of effort has nothing to do with it. More than likely it's something that's been automated by the RMT crowd so they don't really care how much effort is involved. After a certain amount of time they'll be making even more effortless gil. The best part is that it's an activity that is normally invisible to other players which means there's nobody to report them. And that makes FC housing so very attractive to them.

While decoupling workshops from FC housing won't stop the RMT it will remove one of the supply stressors by making housing less attractive for RMT purposes. It would also be a huge QoL fix for FC's struggling to even get a house.

If Square was serious about combating RMT the high value vendor trash from voyage returns needs to be nerfed.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

The level of effort has nothing to do with it. More than likely it's something that's been automated by the RMT crowd so they don't really care how much effort is involved. After a certain amount of time they'll be making even more effortless gil. The best part is that it's an activity that is normally invisible to other players which means there's nobody to report them. And that makes FC housing so very attractive to them.

While decoupling workshops from FC housing won't stop the RMT it will remove one of the supply stressors by making housing less attractive for RMT purposes. It would also be a huge QoL fix for FC's struggling to even get a house.

If Square was serious about combating RMT the high value vendor trash from voyage returns needs to be nerfed.

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The problem with this line of thinking is a misunderstanding of what RMTers prefer. They don't want to spend months waiting for subs to be at the point they can farm for vendor trash. It's a huge time and gil sink to get those subs up and running. And you can't speed it up or automate it. RMTers want fast in, fast out, and that is why most of them use bot software to automate their operations (gathering, crafting and previous to 6.1, camping housing placards), and why they sold houses before 6.1. Fast in, fast out, money in the bank and not sitting there possibly losing value or the account holding it being banned.

Even if it's not RMTers who are building subs, it doesn't detract from the point that houses are being hoarded in the tens or even hundreds by one single player account (40 FC houses * 4 regions = 160 FC houses per account).

There are several hoarders who are just utilizing this method to get gil and this massive influx of gil can lead to market manipulation which hurts ordinary players, not to mention these houses end up being locked away from other players who want them for their intended use.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

The problem with this line of thinking is a misunderstanding of what RMTers prefer. They don't want to spend months waiting for subs to be at the point they can farm for vendor trash. It's a huge time and gil sink to get those subs up and running. And you can't speed it up or automate it. RMTers want fast in, fast out, and that is why most of them use bot software to automate their operations (gathering, crafting and previous to 6.1, camping housing placards), and why they sold houses before 6.1. Fast in, fast out, money in the bank and not sitting there possibly losing value or the account holding it being banned.

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Professional RMT wants rapid turnover, of course.

What about the hobbyists using it as a way to generate a little extra income on the side? Player to player RMT "under the table" has been a thing in MMOs all along. They're not going to be deterred by the short term investment and effort because it's just a hobby.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

Even if it's not RMTers who are building subs, it doesn't detract from the point that houses are being hoarded in the tens or even hundreds by one single player account (40 FC houses * 4 regions = 160 FC houses per account).

There are several hoarders who are just utilizing this method to get gil and this massive influx of gil can lead to market manipulation which hurts ordinary players, not to mention these houses end up being locked away from other players who want them for their intended use.

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The standard subscription is 40 characters total per account, not per region, so it would cap at 40 FC houses per account. That's still a considerable number for the hoarders to work with, of course.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Professional RMT wants rapid turnover, of course.

What about the hobbyists using it as a way to generate a little extra income on the side? Player to player RMT "under the table" has been a thing in MMOs all along. They're not going to be deterred by the short term investment and effort because it's just a hobby.

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In this instance, SE would have to actually, yanno, research and act on their own ToS. Or like, read the reports that people send in, and handle the few cases of small time player run RMT operations.

Which... they aren't apparently willing to do.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I just want to reiterate that no one knows if Island Sanctuary will actually have housing. The devs even hinted to temper our expectations, so I'm leaning toward it not. I really hope to be wrong, but the community has grabbed that update by the balls, and assumed so hard that Island Sanctuary will be the solution everyone is hoping for.

I'm actually legit scared of the community response when its not the thing people wanted. The forums were bad enough with the modding controversies, and the lottery glitches. Imagine months upon months of built up excitement that the devs didn't even plan on delivering, suddenly steeping to a sudden standstill, because everyone made up rumors that weren't reality.

Be careful, I know this fanbase won't, but don't say I didn't warn you.

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Sometimes I wonder if Island Sanctuary gets no demos and is being delayed to an unknown time because the devs were just building a personal mini version of the diadem where minions can run around and then saw the community latching onto it as the housing fix and now they are scurrying to add a housing functionality to it.

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

Sometimes I wonder if Island Sanctuary gets no demos and is being delayed to an unknown time because the devs were just building a personal mini version of the diadem where minions can run around and then saw the community latching onto it as the housing fix and now they are scurrying to add a housing functionality to it.

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I think this is a decent percent of the cause of the delay. Who knows if we'll get actual housing equivalent in function to what we have now though. If there's not housing at launch, I hope they've prepared the programming to accept it in future iterations.

Daddy need to make money on furnishings to make back what he's spent on his new house!

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

As it stands, Airships are part of the biggest issues with housing. They are a motivation for people to hoard multiple free company houses on alts, and buy up wards for their airships. Airships need to be nerfed.

Start by making it so that people can have their own airship workshop in and out of free companies. Giving every single player the ability to have a custom airshop would go a long way at evening the market.

Two, make it so that you can only own ONE free company house per account. I know its tricky because of the systems in place. I get it, some of you might have alts in different companies, and if you have housing rights on those characters, it could get messy, but Square Enix needs to devise a way to fix this. Also make it so that you can't use multiple free company characters to buy out a house. Make it so that each free company only buy bid on one house at a time.

Three, Instanced airship workshops that are separate from housing, and maybe even workshops for personal houses would do a lot for nerfing these. Making it accessible for all would go a long way. Every player should be entitled to have their own airship. We are the hero of the world for mog sake. We should all get a stake in the content.

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No. Simply because of my profits. *twirls non-existent moustache*

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

But, yeah we do know.

If that were taking the place of housing, then the Firmament and Ishgard Restoration wouldn't have been as big of a chore as it was when we built it back.

• The lottery would not have been put into place just before an instanced housing solution, or even an option.
• Housing being such a hot topic, I believe that they would have announced it after such a debacle with the zero lottery bug, which wouldn't have been a thing if Island was housing in the first place.
• Yoshi-P is against non-neighborhood housing - frankly something he needs to get over, because it's not about what he wants, it's about what his player-base would want to continue being successful.
• Yoshi-P already stated to curb expectations about Island Sanctuary. Yes, we could place buildings and some housing type furnishings, which would be like a garden shed or something maybe like a dog house for minions. This != housing.

And, hey, color me surprised if it actually was housing. It would just prove that they had the capability to instance housing like we have been asking for - for what, 4 years or so now? But that would just make them look so bad.

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They have had the capabilities. People who say they don't are making excuses for them because they either already have a house, don't care, or are overly empathetic to SE for no reason. Even the insistence that "Well, how do you know" is bs.
If theoretically, every person in every FC bought an FC apartment, and/or a regular apartment, the servers wouldn't crash, but having instanced houses would? Give me a break. If that was the case, they would have accounted for that when they allowed us to do all that. The servers can handle it. This is part of some stupid, dogshit vision that someone came up with and refuses to budge on, and probably because it would cost money to develop. That's it. It's less of a problem in Japan, it's less of a problem virtually anywhere and everywhere else, so we have to just deal with it because we're crammed into smaller data centers (which, again, they could expand, but wont.) so we're conveniently tucked away where we can't disrupt anyone else's play experience meaningfully.

I'm actually literally only here just because my friends are subbed, but I basically just AFK until people ask me to do things. I spend most of my time playing other things and it's a total waste of time and money and until everyone else realizes how poorly they're being treated it wont change. They need to fail, or they will never learn; because they don't read the forums, they never read any feedback posted here and actually reply, or acknowledge it in any capacity here; outside of the obvious things no one can ignore like the server outright shutting down or the login queues. I've always felt just so mind-boggling confused at how anyone can look at the amount of effort put into this game, vs how much they get in subs, and say it's even a half decent investment. Literally just go to the marketboard and see how many individual items you can find that aren't rehashed models throughout all the levels. Then consider the fact that they rehash those models for other classes. They literally don't even make unique armor. Something people make in their spare time, for fun. It makes them look awful and no one ever talks about that. People in general don't seem to talk about how little they do for the game in general

I would literally bet real money that Island Sanctuaries isn't going to have any of the shit people want it to have; because people aren't flipping out about it in Japan. Actual money on a bet that any delay has absolutely nothing to do with them chasing anyone here's expectations, (because they do not and have never ever cared about what anyone here thinks) and that it's 100% just due to them not having funding or working on something else entirely, like FFXVI; or Guardians of the Galaxy or some other Marvel crap that they paid licensing for.

You realize that people can't hoard multiple FC houses on alts right? It's literally with the lottery settings, any characters on the same world cannot have more than 1 fc and 1 personal house per *account*. I learned that today when I tried to bid for an FC house relocation. I had to be logged into my alt that owned a personal house to bid on the FC relocation plot. None of my other alts were permitted to bid period. So your point is moot.

The only way they are able to get multiple plots is when multiple separate characters on separate accounts bid on various different houses, and the airship and submarines do little more than bring back some hard to find materials for housing projects.

Granted, people that are *grandfathered* into owning multiple houses in multiple wards. (I'm looking at YOU Mateus...) need to be dealt with to make it fair for everyone else.

tbh, airships are useless, subs are where the gil is at

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Originally Posted by IvoryHawk

tbh, airships are useless, subs are where the gil is at

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Airships are still the only source of a few popular items like Fine Alumen and Oriental Grass Tuft so they aren't useless. I would agree that subs are a more consistent source of gil if you're just after gil and not specific items.