FFXIV Rules: Far too rigid?

While the system has been effective to a degree to ensure a sleek & safe community, at times I cannot help but even having the slightest constructive criticism & or just rather pointing out flaws can risk you the chances to be targeted for a warning or ban?

This not a direct response regarding mods or any personal occurrences on my end, just curious,

Seeing the highlights of the forums being over flooded with such concerns it makes me question the absence of the devs or any other follow ups regarding any ongoing concerns (from 6.1’s & forward).

It’s rather nerver wrecking you feel unsafe to use the PvP chat & includingly use words like “No not right” or “GG/ good job” which are hardly provoking & can you get target by reports or whoever’s using them; read so many accounts on that.

Just how far & rigid are these rules?

Was this a response from WoW’s migration to modding to 6.1 & anything else beyond?

I for one am a solely believer to reinforce rules to maintain consistency & a rather best playing environment for anyone as possible & yes there will always be incursions & that’s part of society,

Just how much further does these rules has to be reinforces? Feels far very rigid,

Anyways just my thoughts

Been playing since 2.0 beta and never had a mod intervention.

as a generally decent human being, with basic respect and decency towards all fellow players, I dont find the rule "too rigid" at all.

I chat away with people and have never felt any fear of being warned or banned.

pvp chat is always going to be contextual and cannot be reliably used as a yardstick since that kind of competition invariably brings out less than ideal attitudes.

the forums are hardly any indicator of a problem one way or the other, since most claims here are intended for attention and drama.

Very true,

Couldn’t agree more with you on that,

I believe its the yearning impulse that so most (not all) players seems wanting to express,

The whole ordeal it’s either an unnecessary drama or just feels very “grey” as everything seems very subjective, yet all the same seems to yield ongoing pessimism that’s still circulating about,

That was a very great point!

the concerns about pvp chat are a little pearl clutching at best

saying Nice Job/GG ONCE in sarcasm/satire/irony/whatever is no different than ppl typing 'gg' at the end of FL matches that ended with a score of 1600/1500/400 when they're on the team with 400

the ppl that are getting in trouble for quick chat are spamming the messages in petulant rage
like 10+ times in quick succession creating a wall of the same text in the chat log

If you've never actually seen it consider yourself fortunate but it is painfully obvious "okay that's bad" when you see it

No, people are just used to western style mmorpg moderation where people rarely get punished for bad behaviour.

Reality is, ff14 is simply trying to follow the tos instead of ignoring it like most western mmos

You can't tell the difference between saying "Good Game!" once at the end of a match, and saying it 30 times when you die in PvP? You're just being facetious. Nobody has to dance around the rules if they just act with common decency.

On the contrary there’s the decency of any discernment & have awareness whenever someone compliments “GG” vs. The sarcasm/sublet insult & spamming a walk text of it; which I have seen both sides of the spectrum

You won't be banned for politely framed constructive criticism.

Most often this conception is rooted more in that a lot of people have no idea how to frame their points without being insulting at the same time, i.e having no idea where the line actually is for not being rude, so they retreat a full mile behind it and claim that position is where the line is for what you can be banned for.

I think they need to enforce the rules more and make people really pay for doing things against the ToS, because I see people constantly doing such... eg ein the hunt.. some people warp from homeworld to homeworld as in even skipping zoning before the zone to the next one or aetheryte travel.. that just kan keep on doing that... and never get punished.

Same with any other stuff, it is like people can't play the game as it is.. and need all kinds of assists and the likes.

As society puts up more and more safety barriers, safe zones, removing possibly rough words/figures and alike, peoples skin gets ever so thinner.

Now I'm not some toxic troll, regardless of what people may think by my response history, but I have always shit-talked in competitive areas like PvP and have had it done to me time and time again. While I can see how someone could be sensitive to it, there are other avenues that SE can take other than bans. Such as, muting individuals, making them unable to emote, ect. for a 24 to 48 hour in-game time period.

Or when someone get's killed, have a pvp themed graphic pop up while a countdown to respawn or whatever.

I just don't believe people spamming, "GG", or emotes should be banned from the game, it's not because I want to preserve the toxicity, it's that I am concerned at how little it takes to get people offended, and thus get someone banned because they got caught up in the moment.

I found if you need some 3rd party app to play a game then you need help in life. Just coz you might seem more superior in a game using 3rd party app you are actually more inferior IRL.

That’s precisely why it can be a hit n’ miss varying how people overreact & thus would resolt into reporting all due to a certainty sensitivity trigger that otherwise at times isn’t meant to provocative; hence leading to possibilities abuse of the report system.

In truth, it’s great we have these sect of norms/ rules to abide by, while its concerning whenever anyone uses that for their leverage to report despite the context not being offensive or inciting the “flame”,

This happened to someone I know qeued up PvP with me & only mentioned “GG” once at the end of the match. The response given by another team member was not civil & felt angered by being on the losing side.

A day later friend receives “warning report” despite only mentioning “GG” once as casually doing so for roulette dungeons.

I don’t have the proof for screenshot since it happened two weeks ago & just trying to process what just occurred which I suspect was an abuse report which is beginning to be more frequent based on the accounts of other’s from dungeons, to pvp & otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Palslow

I found if you need some 3rd party app to play a game then you need help in life. Just coz you might seem more superior in a game using 3rd party app you are actually more inferior IRL.

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Said like someone who isn't on the opposite side of the country from the datacenter, stuck behind NTT's awful nodes. F off.

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Originally Posted by HolyReign

there are other avenues that SE can take other than bans. Such as, muting individuals, making them unable to emote, ect. for a 24 to 48 hour in-game time period.

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A ban is, essentially, muting an individual player. The programming effort necessary to mute an individual, while allowing them to play the game, might possibly be a bit more of a challenge than the poster thinks.

Harassment is harassment, whether in the heat of the moment or otherwise. Just because someone gets away with it in other games does not mean the devs of this one need to allow such behavior.

A player can always go play a First Person Shooter or other PVP-oriented game where the behavior is tolerated in order to get their daily 'fix' for that sort of thing.

What SE expects you to say when giving advice: Please could you put your tankstance on?

How the "free screech" crowd wants to give advice: Fking noob tank kys

Glad SE doesn't go down with their standards to the level of the toxic western meme culture. If you can't treat other human beings with respect then go and spend the rest of your days on 4chan or WoW.

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Originally Posted by HolyReign

As society puts up more and more safety barriers, safe zones, removing possibly rough words/figures and alike, peoples skin gets ever so thinner.

Now I'm not some toxic troll, regardless of what people may think by my response history, but I have always shit-talked in competitive areas like PvP and have had it done to me time and time again. While I can see how someone could be sensitive to it, there are other avenues that SE can take other than bans. Such as, muting individuals, making them unable to emote, ect. for a 24 to 48 hour in-game time period.

Or when someone get's killed, have a pvp themed graphic pop up while a countdown to respawn or whatever.

I just don't believe people spamming, "GG", or emotes should be banned from the game, it's not because I want to preserve the toxicity, it's that I am concerned at how little it takes to get people offended, and thus get someone banned because they got caught up in the moment.

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In contrary, I'd posit that the more prominent enforcement is part of the reasons why this community gets a good reputation. Now, it's only one of many. But it does encourage people to keep a decent filter going while in game.

I've made this analogy before. But if someone misbehaves in a bar, even if it's a temporary 'lost in the moment' slip, they can get kicked from the bar, or at the very least warned. I don't see a distinction between the Bouncer at the bar and a GM. You misbehave enough to render the judgement call of a GM, that's on you. Whether it's an expensive bar or a back alley Irish pub, you learn the rules and you behave accordingly.

The thinness of your or someone else's skin's got nothing to do with the rules the bouncer enforces. The person upset with you might alert the bouncer but it's the bouncer that makes the call.

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Originally Posted by Vencio

Just how much further does these rules has to be reinforces? Feels far very rigid,

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a rule not reinforced is not a rule.

Making draconian terms of service has done nothing burn turn others from active aggressive to passive aggressive.

Seriously though, have never been part of online community that has so mastered the art of telling someone to sod off without actually telling them to.

Watching mentor making snarky passive aggressive comment after passive aggressive comment towards my friend when she dared suggest Dismal Darkhold/Qarn are not fun dungeons was.. something. "Sounds like you are blaming the mechanics because you cannot do them correctly." is peek small shaft energy. She just thought placing the stone heads or being forced to stand around on the magitek circles was silly..

Heck! Half of replies to my posts are these biiiiiiiig long wordy tirades with enough of diverse vocabulary to make a literary major blush. Would prefer to be told to sod off. At the least I would know how the person feels about me without the fifteen pages of derping around. Might even be able to come to the understanding sooner.

TL;DR - The people who would say mean things have not stopped doing it, they have only found a TOS friendly way to do it instead.

They have barely been enforced so no, not too rigid.

Speaking as someone who's never had any issues, the rules are "rigid" in that they're generally non-negotiable, but it's the enforcement and handling where things become somewhat more relaxed, bordering being just... lax in general.

The rules haven't really changed much.
They've only been clarified over the years.

And now that the developers are disappointed in the players not heeding said rules, they're enforcing them a bit more swiftly.
It's not like they haven't enforced rules before. GMs taking action is nothing new. People are supposedly shook and shocked but this isn't abnormal.
The games just a lot larger than it was 3 or 4 years ago, and not to mention The Great WoW Migration who brings in players with different expectations of what's allowed. So there's a lot more people overall breaking rules, and as such a lot more people getting punished.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

A ban is, essentially, muting an individual player. The programming effort necessary to mute an individual, while allowing them to play the game, might possibly be a bit more of a challenge than the poster thinks.

Harassment is harassment, whether in the heat of the moment or otherwise. Just because someone gets away with it in other games does not mean the devs of this one need to allow such behavior.

A player can always go play a First Person Shooter or other PVP-oriented game where the behavior is tolerated in order to get their daily 'fix' for that sort of thing.

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It's in the game already. It's called black list.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

It's in the game already. It's called black list.

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There exist certain tools.. forbidden tools some might consider unnatural. They can not only mute specific players (no emote sound not just chat mute) but hide their entire character model kinda like Black Mirror. Square could easily implement such features provided their code base is workable.

This would enable them to create punishment tiers in same way a website admin might.
First offense is no chatting for you. Second offense is banned from duty finder. Etc.

It is what it is.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

It's in the game already. It's called black list.

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Black listing is not used by the game to prevent players from interacting with anything, it's a means to mute a player on a personal basis. It cannot be used for as a warning for a particular player. Black lists exist for other players, not the one being 'punished'.

Do you see how annoying I am here????? And I've never once had an issue. Never once. So no, their rules are anything but rigid. lol

Eh, a bit, way more than any MMO in the west, for sure. I think it leads to some weird behavior, as in, we all had to deal with that person that is super passive-aggressive and ends every sentence with "xD" or ":D" despite you knowing full well they just want to let out their anger at that point(aka every other Party Finder group). As for modding.. My stance is that it would be fine if they would take their time to implement some of the QoL stuff some mods add. Like damn, Yoshi-P wasn't even aware how much high ping impacts the animation lock in this game after 9 years since ARR. Like damn, I am pretty sure the only data Squenix collects on ping issues comes from Japan, but lo and behold, XIVAlexander fix that for anyone living outside of the US/Europe. I mean, if you aren't going to fix the game, not going to add new servers on SA, at least greenlight the damn thing.

I had no issues for a very long time. Then I got a warning out of nowhere, and, to this day, I still don't have any idea what I supposedly did.