There, I said it. It's been over three weeks since the 6.1 patch was released and SAM's have not been shy about giving their feedback. It's safe to say that the verdict is in; the changes are terrible. First, let's sum up the major points that point to this laziness I spoke of in the title. We've got a lot to cover so forgive me if this gets wordy:
- "Button bloat" was the initial reasoning given, as per the translations on SE's own slides. The player base, even before the patch was released, quickly provided no less than five possible ways to reduce the total number of hotkey binds a SAM uses. This would have preserved Kaiten while also addressing the issue of button bloat.
- "Action bloat" was the correction we were given. We were told the translation was not entirely accurate and that the real reasoning was not to reduce the absolute number of keybinds but rather to reduce the number of actions a SAM was taking, or in other words to lower the APM (actions per minute). A quick comparison between ShB, 6.0 and 6.1 APM showed that SAM's were now doing - at most - one less action in 6.0 compared to the end of ShB, and that the changes from 6.0 to 6.1 would lower this APM by an additional one per minute. Which functionally is nothing and has zero practical effect on the job or how busy it is.
- Somewhat concurrently with the first point, we were told part of the reason behind the removal of Kaiten (and subsequent destruction of job synergy via the addition of auto-crits and potency reduction on Midare/Kaeshi/Ogi) was to reduce the damage variance between low-end and high-end SAM performance. While it was something that looked fine on paper, in practice it killed a big part of the fun players derived from playing SAM. That is to say, the build-up to a nice big hit that felt good to do, even if it didn't crit. This issue of damage variance was 100% created by SE's own job design decisions. The addition of a second charge of Meikyo and Kaeshi, as well as the addition of Ogi Namikiri and it's Kaeshi follow-up, forced SAM into a strict two-minute cycle. This cycle naturally aligned with raid buffs, meaning all of SAM's biggest damage was now shoved into a small period of time under raid buffs, further widening the gap. Had SAM remained on a 60s cycle, it's damage profile would naturally avoid the insane spikes that were now possible with the 120s cycle. Instead of addressing their own recent design decisions, the balance team opted to gut SAM instead by removing Kaiten and then destroying a huge chunk of of it's party synergy. To add one final insult to the injury, a brief comparison of 6.0 and 6.1 damage shows that the new auto-crit Midare's and Kaeshi's hit for less than the old Kaiten-buffed Midare's and boosted-potency Kaeshi's.
Oh, and let's not forget the as-yet-unchanged skill explanation for the Tsubame-Gaeshi tooltip that is still on the official Lodestone job page. Said explanation still reads that it repeats the previous Iaijutsu "with enhanced potency" which is not at all true in 6.1.
- Lastly, after much consternation and demands for further explanation now that the previous reasons were so cleanly debunked, Yoshi P. came out and explained that the existence of Kaiten as an ability on SAM was making it very difficult to iterate on the job for future expansions. So the decision was made to remove it, because the job balance team was just having too hard of a time working around it.
Posts #47 and 48, by Quyn:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-anymore/page5
So the decision was made to remove a core - and much-loved - aspect of the job that served the vital function of requiring resource management while simultaneously tying all of SAM's resources together. In it's place, SAM got nothing.
- Lastly, in that same link, Yoshi P. talks about a longer-term plan for job balance in the game, second paragraph of post #47, bold added by me:
"And then, I am also well aware of how the critical synergy works well with jobs...and I'm definitely aware, but this is also the overall problem of FFXIV itself, and there are discussions where we should have change that itself to begin with. But we can't be doing everything simultaneously at once so please understand that we want to tackle on that gradually."
This tells us that there is a longer-term plan for job balance currently being worked on and that the current state of SAM is simply the balance team unable to do "everything simultaneously." From this we can infer that there are more changes in the offing for other jobs and that SAM was simply the first to suffer from these backward, tone-deaf and decidedly un-fun changes.
Taken together, none of this paints a good picture. When SAM was originally released at the beginning of 4.0, it was universally praised for how "together" everything felt. Both it and RDM had a clear direction to them and each had kits that worked with and fed off of other parts of the job. Building Sen built Kenki, which was used to empower the attacks granted by Sen. Further Kenki use was for extra oGCD damage to keep the job interesting and add a measure of resource management on top of hitting our pair of positional attacks. Everything was tied together in a nice neat little package, and the wrapping that kept everything in place was Kaiten. It fused the Sen and Kenki resources together and forced the player to manage their Kenki resource and properly time the use of Shinten so as to ensure they never lacked for Kenki when it came time to use an Iaijutsu. In short, SAM was a whole and complete job from a gameplay and thematic perspective.
Since it's release, Kaiten has been a core part of playing SAM. But despite the long and positive history of Kaiten as an ability, SE chose to remove it, with the reasoning that it was difficult to expand on the job at some undetermined point in the future due to the job design team feeling "restricted" by the existence of Kaiten.
As far as we know there was never, at any point in time, a consideration of changing Kaiten in some way, such as lowering the potency granted by it. Instead, the design team took an axe to it and gave us the very much half-baked bandage of auto-crits to "make up" for the potency lost.
Now, taking all of this into consideration, it's become clear to me that what we are seeing with SAM is not innovation, but laziness. Job design laziness, to be specific. The concept underlying the removal of Kaiten was "it's too hard to design around" coupled with "good changes are coming, just trust me bro." While I would certainly agree that Yoshi P. has built up no small amount of faith - and I personally do have a lot of faith for that man, as an original 1.0 player who saw what good he's done for FF14 - I have to say that my faith right now is shaken.
In the above linked post, Yoshi P. states that the changes are for the players:
"I'll repeat myself that we really did all these adjustments for the sake of player's enjoyment here so I'll be thankful if you all can understand this."
Respectfully, I disagree. These changes do not feel like they are for the players, they feel like they are for the devs. Specifically, to make life easier for the job design team.
Let me be clear; I am under no illusion about how easy the job design team has it. It is most definitely NOT an easy job. But that isn't justification for these changes. The goal of the design team should be to make something fun and engaging, not to axe core parts of a job because working around an ability is too difficult. Adding further fuel to this fire is the absolutely braindead timing for these changes. Many SAM's have voiced how this kind of a change is much more suited for the release of a new expansion than it is for release in the middle of an existing one, two weeks before the most highly anticipated end-game content is set to come out. If, as Yoshi P. says, the goal is to create a better experience for the player then I don't think anyone would be against that. But to do so right now? And with a job that was so loved and enjoyed by it's players? And then go throw so many varied excuses at us in a way that just comes off as, well, shady?
I've said it before and I'll say it again; it boggles the mind.
The only conclusion then can be laziness; this approach, whether the devs intend it or not, is rooted in making their own jobs easier instead of making us, the players, happier. Even if, in some hypothetical future, Kaiten was to be removed, then do it at the transition of an xpac when that kind of radical job shift is expected. Do it when the entire new system has been finished and is ready for roll-out instead of the "gradual" implementation that destroyed an entire job. Every decision leading to this point reeks of corporate committee-ism and design-by-spreadsheet, both of which are just lazy and completely lacking in any kind of innovation.
So, Yoshida-san, should you ever read this, please take what I say to heart, as the earnest plea of a long-time fan that's been with this game for many years; direct your energy towards steering the design team away from whatever direction they are going. SAM has already suffered. Healers and tanks have been suffering for many years. Other dps are also suffering, or scared of what will come next. If this plan must be implemented then implement it when it is complete, with full transparency towards the players about it well in advance. Personally, I'd like to say that I have faith in the job design team going forward but the truth is that I do not. Not anymore. I would rather these changes to SAM be rolled back and the entire internal plan scrapped. I would rather the whole approach to job design - not just for dps but also for tanks and healers - be re-directed AWAY from where it's been going the past few years, which is to say AWAY from designing jobs to be braindead outside of the most difficult content in-game. To use a quote that Roxus provided us from the CN and KR servers:
"But it doesn't stop there. CN and KR are also starting to get loud, while behind in patches, they know what's coming. Stop making adjustments for those who don't want to learn or improve. Existing users matter as much as new users."
And one final quote from myself:
"Good to see that the other versions of the game are now making a stink about this too. Hopefully SE will understand the major mistake they have made, walk back the 6.1 SAM changes in their entirety and then start on a path of revising EVERY OTHER JOB that has suffered like this. Deal with MCH and their issues, address the boring healer rotations, add more complexity to what tanks can do beyond what's present for a tank in a savage or ultimate boss fight; actual REAL rotational challenge instead of the race to the bottom bullshit. That final quote makes a lot of sense. They might very well see a new influx of players but they'd be abandoning some of their longest-term and most stalwart subscribers for a casual playerbase who most definitely isn't going to stick with them through the years."
edit: as of 5-5-2022, Misshapenchair has released a great youtube video that touches on a lot of what I've discussed here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d_fMH9Lwvs
Definitely worth a watch, as he's also attempting to sound the alarm about the direction FF14 is taking with it's job design.
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05-05-2022, 03:32 AMQuorThe SAM changes - and the current direction of job balance - is LAZY. Here's why
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05-05-2022, 04:05 AMVencio
I actually support SAM changes,
Nothing wrong with it,
Made the job easier to navigate through,
It’s only stubborn fools that are reluctant for change & just throws tantrums at it.
It already happened! Now move on or still flow over the forums with more disappointments -
05-05-2022, 04:15 AMQuorEpic troll my friend. Well memed. Thanks for the bump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 04:17 AMKariousYou're obviously in the minority based on statistics and the general post history of the DPS subforum since this change took place. Go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 04:23 AMVencio
Not trolling at all,
Just amused how persistent are these type of posts that’s rather unrelenting & yet cringy,
In all fairness the job still operates just as good & why the hell have overflooded abilities as though I am playing Pac Man on those 80s Arcade consoles except with 8 buttons like an angry Jason Momoa having steak with a chihuahua?
The changes already came into effect, nothing can be done & I frankly don’t see any errors to it,
Part of going through changes is to accept what was not meant in your favour but still gave other open avenues & not the only road -
05-05-2022, 05:17 AMCeridwenSo I guess there WAS someone that thought the Samurai was too hard. How nice that you're happy. If you like flat, uninspired and dull, well - life must give you what you want all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 06:00 AMcjbeagleThe fact that you're blind doesn't invalidate what we see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 08:42 AMxAFROxYour opinion is your own. But kindly note when an opinion can also be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
Change, we can accept. But when the change is bad and it's 98% agreed that it isn't good in any sense of the manner brought forth, please understand that there is an actual reason why. It isn't just salt or or reluctance. It is because something is fundamentally bad. -
05-05-2022, 10:03 AMYeBunny
If I could give you more than 1 up vote I could. Very well thought out and informative post
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05-05-2022, 11:30 AMKaseladenAh you're just a troll thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 12:33 PMRansuHow does removing kaiten make the job easier? The APM didn't change at all. Now we just spam shinten and weave gyoten in place of kaiten. You clearly don't know how to play the job at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 01:00 PMVencio
…I have a Lv.90 SAM & played it before 6.1 & still am & frankly I truly hardly feel any slight of the changes,
Incredible, never thought people would get triggered/ bothered whenever someone objects otherwise & ultimately assume the worst out of any scenario or any individual. What the hell ever happened with differentiated opinions?
Anyway, I am well acquainted with the job; I just truly don’t care what “numbers/meta” delivers which is a mentality aspect that is so enforced within the hardcore players that deems it otherwise (if anything it’s far ridiculous). At the end of the day it’s all about how better you adapt & perform your job regardless of whoever’s outdpsing & frankly not every gives a fly; just follow mechanics & enjoy your job.
It really is such an entertainment to see a variety of repetitive posts about SAM changes dissatisfaction & no matter what logic you throw out it’s already done, get over it, play it or don’t bother & move on (unless your state of mind is that of a committed hardcore then you do you, just remember you’ve enslaved yourself into feeling limited & are in limbo). -
05-05-2022, 01:01 PMSleeeeeeepySleeeeeeepRespectfully, I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quor
He just didn't clarify "which" "players' enjoyment" is he adjusting it for. Let me explain.
https://i.imgur.com/4xcSyW6.png
Kaiten is really restrictive in dumbing the game down enough for those casuals who log off after 1 month after content patch. Or for the other idiot in this thread who don't have the mental capacity for anything more than pacman.
For the sake of players' enjoyment?
The job is fucked less than 6 months into the expansion. GTFO of here. -
05-05-2022, 01:05 PMYukiBI did. My sub ran out yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
That's not going to stop me from advocating for positive change in the game. -
05-05-2022, 02:04 PMWorldPeacElbowAre you not getting enough attention at home? lol who are you trying to convince? Nobody agrees with you. RATIOQuote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 02:12 PMCallidorGreat. That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
I disagree, and obviously so do many, many others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
No argument here. The job is now much easier to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
Well that's just ridiculous. You're entitled to your opinion, and you have just as much right as anyone to express it on these forums. But so does everyone else! Clearly an overwhelming majority of people who play the class feel these changes are wrongheaded. You can say you disagree with the majority and that the majority is wrong, but don't claim to speak for the majority when it's obvious you do not. That's just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
...Yes. Obviously. We're objecting to a thing that happened. Why would we be posting about a thing that hasn't happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
Option 2, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 02:18 PMAluneTempest
im new on the endgame content like savage/ultimate and now i am scared of try to learn in deep a job and SE simply destroy in one patch.
DRG now is my fav melee job and SE say they have plans for DRG on the patch 6.2, just dont want to see another fun job get destroyed because SE made changes (that NOBOBY asked for). -
05-05-2022, 02:28 PMVencio
Never have I claimed to speak on behalf of a majority except for myself,
What in the world made you think otherwise?
Not here to convince anyone either, it’s mindless how overflooding these SAM posts dissatisfactions keeps appearing & appearing
Deal is done, can’t revert something that just came to be.
You unsub because of it your issue, -
05-05-2022, 02:47 PMAlex1337Players like this is why I think jobs should have a hard mode toggle for those of us who want more complexity in our job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
If not troll than you can’t knock them for being happy about the change, whatever, but the job is now too slow and it was already slow for most people.
Hard mode toggle pre 6.08 Sam more risk more reward more optimization, normal mode is just 6.1 Sam if you’re into that. -
05-05-2022, 02:51 PMCeridwenThen why did they specifically ask for feedback on this particular change, the removal of Kaiten? They're getting what they requested. People who never come to this forum came because they deeply loathe this update. I've told people if they don't like it, go tell the developers on the official forum, because that's what they ASKED us to do. As evidence of how much it matters to them, some are unsubbing. Some just aren't playing, or are trying to find another class they like as much as they liked the former Samurai.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
It's not mindless, except to you. Since you don't care, why would you waste your no doubt precious time whining about those who actually DO care? If the complaints fade, then they can assume we're adjusting. So the complaints aren't fading. If the sight of complaints troubles your sensibilities so, I'd suggest *not reading them.* -
05-05-2022, 03:01 PMVencio
Fair valid point & I respect that,
Truth to be told we’ll yet see what 6.2 may unfold….too early to say anything at the moment for now; be it for it or not for it, it’s causing havoc amongst us all the same….it’s sad if anything.
The only updates we’ve received was that housing lottery issue & yet even then anything the devs says seems to be getting vague & distant each day. -
05-05-2022, 03:19 PMSoge01You know what would have made the job easier to navigate through? Combining skills that essentially are just an AoE copy paste of their original single target counterparts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
There was no need to remove Kaiten and to mess up its overall damage capabilities.
Many of us don't mind change, so long as its handled well. Samurai was not handled well and now suffers from a chronic case of "Shinten" spam and wet noodle damage. -
05-05-2022, 03:58 PMcjbeagleDunno if you're familiar with how source control works, but rolling back changes literally takes less than a minute as long as you're not messing with giant files like maps, and even then it's like 30m tops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
Sure, they'd have to QA the reversion and get it into the next patch cycle, but you're making it sound nigh impossible when it's actually unbelievably trivial. -
05-05-2022, 05:18 PMXenon_S
I don't necessarily want to be "that guy", but I will bite this one time.
If you haven't even taken the job into extremes, or even just normal raids, it is quite difficult to take your opinion seriously.
You can probably get through the basic MSQ content not having casted a single iaijutsu and still get carried across no problem.
If Kaiten is reinstated and you found it too difficult to manage, you can choose not to press it and there won't be a real loss for the content that you are doing.
But for the players who engage with the gameplay on a deeper level, we feel the changes rather keenly and strongly.
I do admit that there are no small number of rather aggravated, guttural responses flooding the forums. But there are equally as many well thought-out, articulated, legitimate concerns being brought up, and many more reasonable and executable solutions proposed.
A well designed job will only benefit players at all skill levels, while poorly and lazily implemented changes will definitely alienate the players who care. -
05-05-2022, 05:52 PMbutchersblockQuote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
I can guarantee you you're not "well acquainted" with your main job Paladin, let alone Samurai.
YoshiP explicitly stated that he was looking for feedback for 6.1 Samurai and Ninja, and that's what people are doing. Cry me a river about it. -
05-05-2022, 07:22 PMRandommobYou said “enjoy your job”. Well i dont enjoy it atm and i want it to be revertedQuote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
You have your opinion, sure. However, when the entire sam main keep posting about reverting the changes, you should know that the change is bad. Majority win you know -
05-05-2022, 08:07 PMM_Red
Fully agree with everything. I never had any sort of issue with the amount of actions I took as a Samurai. It felt perfect to me, with Kaiten being like a cool focus move you can do that you’d see in a movie, before a powerful slash attack. It was VERY satisfying to see the finishers hit, especially when they would do so much damage thanks to you knowing what you’re doing (Ogi, with Kaiten and when both slashes crits, did about 120k damage for me!).
Now, it just feels generic. Just a ‘meh’ move now, with them dealing far less damage than they should.
They even nerfed the second slash on both of the finishers, which are NEEDED to be stronger than the first to make them feel like they are worth it. Now they are just a literal copy of the first. Originally they we’re stronger because you couldn’t use Kaiten on them, so they gave it that buff naturally by simply increasing how strong it is. Now that they removed it (and no, the auto crit does NOT make up for the damage in any way, with Ogi barely doing 60k damage now), it just feels like what’s the point? Increasing the damage of some of the attacks by 10 to 20 points doesn’t make up for it either (they also lowered the strength of other moves too).
There are two things they could have done to make Samurai better than this:
1: Lower the cooldown for Ogi by at LEAST half. With its new power, it does not deserve a full two minute cooldown in any way. That way, it could be used more often to make up for its greatly lowered damage and it’s nerf. The other finisher (sorry I forgot the name of it. It’s the normal one you have when you get all three symbols) could have stayed at the same power with the auto crit added.
2: Keep the finishers at the same power with auto crit. That way, even though they would be weaker without Kaiten, they would still always crit, making up for the times they don’t.
As it is now, I both refuse and cannot use Samurai anymore. It feels so much weaker now, and the numbers I see for it match that feeling when I do damage. Before, my Samurai would do FAR more damage than Reaper did, but with the nerfs, Reaper does far more damages now.
And I know some will say that it’s because it’s slower, but when I can use the transformed state literally about three to four times within 90 seconds, with each slash doing 18k to over 22k, up to 28 to 30k with crits, as well as the finishing blast often doing about 30… well, that greatly out powers Samurai now. Keep in mind that at the time the gear in my Reaper wasn’t as good as Samurai as well, since I used to main Samurai!
I can’t argue with the numbers I see for myself. I know people say the difference is only 3% less overall for Samurai, but the numbers I personally see are vastly different.
So yeah, as a Samurai Main, I can’t use it anymore, so I switched to Reaper. Kinda Monk too but it isn’t leveled up yet. At least most of the gear for my Samurai will work well for Monk! -
05-05-2022, 08:14 PMM_RedTo be fair, I personally do think that Dragoon could use some changes. I have it maxed out, but every time I use it I felt like I was babysitting a time of cooldowns and charges, much more than the other classes. But it did become easier to manage after 6.0 came out. Even my friend who fully mains Dragoon said she’d like to see some changes to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AluneTempest
That’s just me and my friend’s personal opinion though. It can still do a great amount of damage and can be fun to play!
But after the changes with Samurai, I am afraid as well to see what they would do with it. Who knows though? Maybe they will actually do a good job with that one? -
05-05-2022, 08:39 PMFlashy
I hope the monkey that worked on SAM stays away from DRG, praying for my jumping homies.
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05-05-2022, 10:15 PMVencio
Guaranteed? Very boldly stated,
Far be it from it you clearly don’t know my playing style nor is it your concern,
I have no whatever you deemed “acquainted” with a specific job if by referencing the performance of Savage/Extreme history which I clearly don’t engage nor bother, and that doesn’t inherently speak highlights of how to understand a playing job (got to love your ignorance but won’t press further). -
05-05-2022, 10:37 PMbaklava151
I think OP was trying to make a wider point before this got derailed into another Kaiten discussion thread lol
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05-05-2022, 10:41 PMbutchersblockWhat ignorance? Please do go on, we're all ears.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 10:51 PMVencioYou tell me,Quote:
Originally Posted by butchersblock
You dictated what you assumed to know about me which clearly you don’t -
05-05-2022, 11:06 PMbutchersblockYes I absolutely do. It's not just me either, it's very obvious for anyone curious enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 11:23 PMxAFROxI think you're right. I made my one reply to the dude who likes the changes as they are and respectfully disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by baklava151
But OP made a very well constructed detail about the issues with the job in its current state and I hope we can focus more on that rather than the singularity in the thread. -
05-05-2022, 11:33 PMVencioExcept it isn’t a singularity thread but repetitions of the previous Kaiten concerns over & over regardless how constructive your input is,Quote:
Originally Posted by xAFROx
It’s ludicrous, non endless crusade, just for one ability removal.
Frankly I do hope it retains the same way -
05-05-2022, 11:33 PMRansuGetting to level 90 doesn't mean you know how to play it or understand the intricacies of the job....case in point your statement on kaiten and lack of understanding on why removing it and turning iajutsus into wet noodle auto crits is a bad thing shows you are indeed not well acquainted with the job. If you're fine with the changes cool, whatever, but don't insert yourself into a conversation where you offer no in depth reasoning and simply dismiss the more in depth discussions of why the changes are bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
If we had that mindset we'd still not have hagakure back. Ya know, that skill they removed and then returned to us in a later patch in ShB after a lot of outcry about it being removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
Annnnd there it is. Please stay out of this conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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05-05-2022, 11:58 PMVencio
Again I still play SAM & frankly it isn’t about getting to 90 but still going along & if understanding a job defines in the realm of savage/extremes then again absurdity & a META-slave mindset into it,
Unless you’re also comparing achievements obtained,
Come on really?
Anyway I don’t need to press further than what I’ve stated to have played the job that I find no fault with the changes & rather content with it.
PS: No idea why you let one ability removal discourage you strongly enough to throw a dozen tantrum posts that’s already far too common.
PSS: What more rational & constructive do I neccesarily need to speak my point of view? I appraise it! Still works fine! It’s far fitting & casual friendly! Shouldn’t be excluded from participating in event, raid sorts except those that puts boundaries & limits -
05-06-2022, 12:30 AMxAFROxYOU are the singularity in the thread, my guy. I mean no offense, but you are one of very few who seem to genuinely prefer the changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
Also, I would like to clarify that while the vocal majority is clamoring about 'one button' or ability, that's just the culmination of what's wrong.
Plenty of people have pointed out 'multiple' issues compounded WITH the removal of this one button, as several things in the SAM kit were adjusted to 'compensate' the loss, but these compensations are just overall a nerf by flattening the damage.
SAM is about building to big finishers. Now, the finishers are barely stronger than the combos that build them. Which begs the question, "What are we building resource for if there's no payoff?"
That's what the 98% of SAM mains are crying about. The job identity and flavor is gone in favor of a smooth, flat plateau instead of a towering peak.
Please understand that the outcry is for a reason. You do you, though. I'm happy that you are happy with the current iteration and I hope you aren't perturbed if the devs decide to roll back the changes made to appease the people who gave feedback at their own behest for the polarizing changed they themselves have acknowledged to be controversial to the job's design thus far. -
05-06-2022, 12:54 AMVencio
I respect your input & your overall reasoning behind it which is persuasive & made me think twice & to be sincerely honest with you I might have been singled out in this thread due to a preposition that I am respectfully opposed to it, lastly nowadays to agree/disagree in a civil manner is hardly encountered, especially the recent posts of individuals that just found it irritating of my opposition.
To further my stance in support of this I play on a Ps4 Console & not interested to resort on PC (Been there with WoW). It bothers me to have overflooding hotbars all over my screen with so many abilities to keep on track on meanwhile taking the real immersion away from enjoying the game in my own eyes & view of the outer world.
Why I don’t care for statistics damage/meter/performances? Unlike WoW this game doesn’t seem punishing about deeming which jobs factors the most over the others (only those players creates that mindset which can be good for members within their own community & bad when it comes to be reinforced as an absolute META for the rest…I am strongly opposed to that).
Why am I an advocate for ability pruning? Helps me to build more muscle memory & have more spatial awareness of the game’s surroundings + mechanics of evasive AoEs etc., all while still enjoying the job.
I don’t object for PC users to extend above & beyond, its only the nature they create “systems” which I am wary of & coming from WoW & trying couple savage previously just couldn’t stomach it…at what result? It’s just glamour & couple ilevel differences,
Anyway, going back to your response I truly respect it & it’s sad that’s turning us piled up against each other like a Roman colloseum.
Personally it would’ve been better if at least they brought Kaiten back & merged the AoEs as a one combo similarly to PvP’s.