Selling of IP's

With the recent selling of some IP's and SE looking into Blockchaining more and more. Do you think FFXIV is going to start to suffer soon and if so you think this games is going to start dying out?

'Over my dead body.' - Yoshi-P, probably.

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Originally Posted by Digit4lC4m

'Over my dead body.' - Yoshi-P, probably.

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I could see him doing that XD. Sadly though at the end of the day SE pays him so it would either be get in line or move aside

SE is such an odd study in Hail Marys. Time after time, starting from the original Final Fantasy, the company was nearly run into the ground by the fever dreams of upper management but pulled back from the brink of failure into a sudden wild success. The pattern repeats, as newer management hoping to make their mark takes that foundation and squanders it on an obvious boondoggle that leaves SE assed-out. Now, more to the point, I don't think the game will really suffer from any of this directly; it's the biggest money-maker they've got right now besides the gatcha stuff on mobile.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

With the recent selling of some IP's and SE looking into Blockchaining more and more. Do you think FFXIV is going to start to suffer soon and if so you think this games is going to start dying out?

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I doubt we'll see any blockchain nonsense in XIV.
Not because SE doesn't want that junk in there, 2021 and 2022 showed us that the company makes some of the most out of touch decisions I have ever seen.

We won't see it because XIV's engine is such jank that they'll never be able to implement something like NFTs.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I doubt we'll see any blockchain nonsense in XIV.
Not because SE doesn't want that junk in there, 2021 and 2022 showed us that the company makes some of the most out of touch decisions I have ever seen.

We won't see it because XIV's engine is such jank that they'll never be able to implement something like NFTs.

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For once, I am glad this game's coding is a pile of spaghetti.

Yoshida gave his statement in the last liveletter that NFTs will not be a thing in FFXIV.

PS3 engine, can't put NFT inside

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Originally Posted by Atreides

Yoshida gave his statement in the last liveletter that NFTs will not be a thing in FFXIV.

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It was actually in live Letter 68, not the last. He said:

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“Based on how Final Fantasy XIV is designed, we don’t intend on incorporating any sort of NFT element in the game at this point.”

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And he reiterated;

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“If anybody is worried or concerned about it, I can clearly state at this time that we do not have any intentions to incorporate that into the game.”

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He ended up saying;

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“If there’s ever an opportunity to go into it in deeper detail, I would like to talk about it. I think there’s a potential of utilising it without going in a wrong or bad direction.”

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Originally Posted by Digit4lC4m

'Over my dead body.' - Yoshi-P, probably.

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On what basis? I like the guy well enough, though there's many supposed 'lines in the sand' that he has allowed to be crossed already and despite his vocal opposition to the presence of a cash shop his hands are, by his own admission, tied. Let's not pretend as though he doesn't try and sell very expensive merchandise during Live Letters either.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

It was actually in live Letter 68, not the last. He said:



And he reiterated;



He ended up saying;

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That's much more tentative than I recall it being - sounds like they're just reviewing their options, then. Definitely not a hard no.

I mean he is also the director of FFXVI and it's very likely, that they implement NFTs there. So yes he obviously has to deal with that topic since the CEO of SE loves the idea of NFTs.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

I mean he is also the director of FFXVI and it's very likely, that they implement NFTs there. So yes he obviously has to deal with that topic since the CEO of SE loves the idea of NFTs.

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That'd be the quickest way to ensure I never buy FF16 - and I've bought pretty much every mainline FF release over the past two decades. I've bought consoles specifically to play mainline FF games.

After the poorly-paced mess that is EW's story and the handling of creating said story, I was already more tentative about FF16 due to beginning to question Yoshida's direction and producer decisions. Any hint of NFTs in FF16 would effectively make it dead to me.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

That'd be the quickest way to ensure I never buy FF16 - and I've bought pretty much every mainline FF release over the past two decades. I've bought consoles specifically to play mainline FF games.

After the poorly-paced mess that is EW's story and the handling of creating said story, I was already more tentative about FF16 due to beginning to question Yoshida's direction and producer decisions. Any hint of NFTs in FF16 would effectively make it dead to me.

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At this point I'll be pleasantly surprised if it isn't plagued by some of the very same issues that FFXV was forced to endure. Remember all the weird 'crossovers' with real world companies such as American Express which led to product placement? Heh.

That there's so little actual information about what FFXVI intends to be in general is worrying to me on the basis that it's been in development for quite a few years now. FFXIV would very likely have gone in a very different direction had the guy responsible for writing Heavensward not been moved over to work on FFXVI.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

At this point I'll be pleasantly surprised if it isn't plagued by some of the very same issues that FFXV was forced to endure. Remember all the weird 'crossovers' with real world companies such as American Express which led to product placement? Heh.

That there's so little actual information about what FFXVI intends to be in general is worrying to me on the basis that it's been in development for quite a few years now. FFXIV would very likely have gone in a very different direction had the guy responsible for writing Heavensward not been moved over to work on FFXVI.

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On one hand, I kind of appreciate them not telling us much about the game until it's very close to release. I've seen games announced 7 years before they're anywhere near release, see hype build up for it, die, build up again, and the final product end up being a massive disappointment to many fans who had been waiting with baited breath for it (... KH3, anyone?). We've also seen it with Cyberpunk, and a few other games over the years.

On the other hand, knowing almost nothing about the systems or story (minus some minor character tidbits and a vague plot) this seemingly close to release is... mm. Concerning, to say the least. We got one pretty awesome trailer, and barely anything since. They promise it's close to release, so why are we not seeing more promotion going out about it?

I do remember a lot of the mess around FFXV, and while I do still genuinely love the game now that its in its 'complete' state, it was one of the messier releases they've done. The whole shift it took from Versus XIII to XV was also uh... not the best. I followed Versus XIII for years, into it becoming FFXV, and while I was happy the game came out at last, it was still strange to see that shift happen.

With everything going on with SE's higher ups right now, I have some worries regarding the game. Unless we suddenly start getting a flood of information on it here soon, I may forego my usual preordering and wait until it actually releases...

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

On one hand, I kind of appreciate them not telling us much about the game until it's very close to release. I've seen games announced 7 years before they're anywhere near release, see hype build up for it, die, build up again, and the final product end up being a massive disappointment to many fans who had been waiting with baited breath for it (... KH3, anyone?). We've also seen it with Cyberpunk, and a few other games over the years.

On the other hand, knowing almost nothing about the systems or story (minus some minor character tidbits and a vague plot) this seemingly close to release is... mm. Concerning, to say the least. We got one pretty awesome trailer, and barely anything since. They promise it's close to release, so why are we not seeing more promotion going out about it?

I do remember a lot of the mess around FFXV, and while I do still genuinely love the game now that its in its 'complete' state, it was one of the messier releases they've done. The whole shift it took from Versus XIII to XV was also uh... not the best. I followed Versus XIII for years, into it becoming FFXV, and while I was happy the game came out at last, it was still strange to see that shift happen.

With everything going on with SE's higher ups right now, I have some worries regarding the game. Unless we suddenly start getting a flood of information on it here soon, I may forego my usual preordering and wait until it actually releases...

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Yeah, Cyberpunk was a bitter disappointment since it outright lied during the marketing phase. If I knew the ability to play as a Corpo was severely limited to a few dialogue options and a five minute starter quest I never would have bought the game. Combined with the various performance issues on consoles it was the first ever game I straight up pursued a refund for. A shame, too, since Night City looked incredible - but it simply didn't feel like a the RPG it was meant to be.

As for FFXV, I did enjoy it for the most part. A little too linear for my liking towards the end of the game, perhaps, though overall it was good enough to retain my interest. Equally, I also enjoyed FFVIIR. I just hope the second part of that game isn't riddled with NFT's...

All in all, I think Square Enix would do well to just release a cool screenshot once or twice a month to show something from the games that they're actively developing. The standard disclaimer of 'this is a work in progress/not the final product' would be enough to deflect most criticism but the lack of any meaningful marketing is becoming rather tiresome.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

On what basis? I like the guy well enough, though there's many supposed 'lines in the sand' that he has allowed to be crossed already and despite his vocal opposition to the presence of a cash shop his hands are, by his own admission, tied. Let's not pretend as though he doesn't try and sell very expensive merchandise during Live Letters either.

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It is just a hyperbole joke, lol. I am aware that If SE really wants to, he doesn't really have much choice. That's something I am worry about, too. At the end of the day, he's an employee working for SE.

*FFXIV does better than it ever has*

The forums: '' OMG IS THE GAME DYING!?!?!+1 ''

Not everything is going to their NFT venture, last I heard SE is also looking into new gaming engines, AI, and other stuff. As fo NFTs, SE prolly looking into smashing them into mobile and metaverse stuff, despite western worlds hatred for both nfts and mobile games they are very much booming industries in Asia, especially Japan...

I am also concerned about it. I dont think XIV is going to die out or suffer soon (I believe Yoshi P when he says there are currently no plans to implement them)

What I worry about most is some kind of Square NFT service where purchases of NFTs get tied to non-nft goods. Tying emotes or glams to ownership of NFT's confirmed by some sort of proprietary marketplace. That way they'd not have to implement them directly into XIV but the game would still suffer as a result. Like some sort of dystopian virtual amiibo.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

*FFXIV does better than it ever has*

The forums: '' OMG IS THE GAME DYING!?!?!+1 ''

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Yeah, it gets a massive surge in population with the biggest game in town going down in flames obviously giving them a fair deal more resources, and what have they done with it? How is this "massive success" represented in the quality of the current product?

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Yeah, it gets a massive surge in population with the biggest game in town going down in flames obviously giving them a fair deal more resources, and what have they done with it? How is this "massive success" represented in the quality of the current product?

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The quality is hit or miss depending on where the team's focus is, much like it always has been, but in some areas the quality has clearly taken a serious hit.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

The quality is hit or miss depending on where the team's focus is, much like it always has been, but in some areas the quality has clearly taken a serious hit.

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Yep.

The problem, I suspect, is that some people are acting as though because they, specifically, don't care much about any given issue then nobody else should give a damn either.

At the risk of repeating myself across a great many threads...it doesn't matter if someone thinks the concerns about the game's lapse in quality isn't a concern. Many of us investing in FFXIV have experienced this sort of gaslighting elsewhere - particularly in WoW. Even to this very day, when people speak up about that game's issues, there's no shortage of devout defenders emerging from the woodwork to downplay and deflect criticism. It happened even as more and more people spoke up in an effort to divert Blizzard's path since people who are actually invested and critical are more prone to identifying problems that will fester than players who just shrug and accept whatever is placed upon their plate.

All of this has been pointed out a great many times already, though - and can be deduced with even a tiny bit of critical thinking. As such, to me the whole 'tHe GaMe Is MoRe PoPuLaR tHaN eVeR' angle strikes me as both disingenuous and deceptive.

It hasn't exactly reached the impressive heights of ten million active players that WoW enjoyed during the height of its golden age back in WOTLK. FFXIV's slow and steady rise in popularity is impressive in its own right, though let's not pretend as if a large part of the success is not in itself due to the lack of viable competition in the eyes of many MMO enthusiasts combined with the age old plight of 'sunk cost fallacy'.

I'd like the game to do well. I'd like to continue investing in it. That's why I - and many others - speak up when we see problems to be addressed.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

*FFXIV does better than it ever has*

The forums: '' OMG IS THE GAME DYING!?!?!+1 ''

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More like,

*SE sells 300 million dollars worth of IP and studios and invests it in blockchain and NFTs*

The forums: "OMG DOES SE KNOW WHAT THE HELL IT'S DOING ANYMORE?"

The answer is no, coincidentally.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

I doubt we'll see any blockchain nonsense in XIV.
Not because SE doesn't want that junk in there, 2021 and 2022 showed us that the company makes some of the most out of touch decisions I have ever seen.

We won't see it because XIV's engine is such jank that they'll never be able to implement something like NFTs.

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For once, a game limitation has saved the game.

NFT or whatever is on the way out... the way it is done now is a massive power drain to mine these things, with rising energy prices and more and it not being able to be sustainable... yet actually show value will make it difficult.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Yeah, it gets a massive surge in population with the biggest game in town going down in flames obviously giving them a fair deal more resources, and what have they done with it? How is this "massive success" represented in the quality of the current product?

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FFXIV as far as I know has always been gaining players over time.
I rly wonder what game you're playing if you think that the quality hasn't gone up too.

This forum is just overly negative all the time, people always talk about toxic positivity but tbh this forum is toxic negativity incarnate and it's mainly the same people running rampant and who are ultimately for the most part mad about minor things in the grand scheme of things.
The forums don't really represent the general view of the game at all.

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Originally Posted by YukiB

More like,

*SE sells 300 million dollars worth of IP and studios and invests it in blockchain and NFTs*

The forums: "OMG DOES SE KNOW WHAT THE HELL IT'S DOING ANYMORE?"

The answer is no, coincidentally.

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This was about FFXIV, there is no evidence at all that FFXIV is suffering or is going to suffer because of what other branches of SE does.
Yoshi P also has an abnormal amount of control over the game too.
Their Western studios have been doing rly poorly too.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

FFXIV as far as I know has always been gaining players over time.
I rly wonder what game you're playing if you think that the quality hasn't gone up too.

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Well let’s see here. Job design? In the gutter. Healers? In the gutter. Hrothgar hairstyles? Literally an objectively dramatic decrease in quality. Housing? Couldn’t even be released without huge game breaking bugs. Pvp? Couldn’t even be released without huge game breaking bugs. Less gear on expansion release, more reused gear than any other expansion, still reusing gear and not making it dyable in dungeons, the most expensive thing this expansion was animating someone’s foot on a balcony. I’m not really seeing an increase in quality here.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Well let’s see here. Job design? In the gutter. Healers? In the gutter. Hrothgar hairstyles? Literally an objectively dramatic decrease in quality. Housing? Couldn’t even be released without huge game breaking bugs. Pvp? Couldn’t even be released without huge game breaking bugs. Less gear on expansion release, more reused gear than any other expansion, still reusing gear and not making it dyable in dungeons, the most expensive thing this expansion was animating someone’s foot on a balcony. I’m not really seeing an increase in quality here.

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Hopefully they'll wake up just like some of us did eventually.

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Originally Posted by Digit4lC4m

For once, I am glad this game's coding is a pile of spaghetti.

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Kupo, I wonder what type of spaghetti? I like many kupo ^_^

Yoshi P. has already said that they won't implement any NFT bullshit into XIV. And tbh i myself can't care less about SE making a NFT game, the best way to protest is still...well...not playing said game or buying the NFTs.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Yoshi P. has already said that they won't implement any NFT bullshit into XIV. And tbh i myself can't care less about SE making a NFT game, the best way to protest is still...well...not playing said game or buying the NFTs.

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He can oppose it all he wants, but he has a boss, and that boss wants NFTs.

Maybe not in 14, but maybe in a new mmo.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

FFXIV as far as I know has always been gaining players over time.
I rly wonder what game you're playing if you think that the quality hasn't gone up too..

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Technically yes the game gains players over time but it's problem is keeping them..

The recent ads you see on social media are upto like 25million players now..

But what that actually means is 25 million people "have" played the game not 25 million people "do" play the game... someone could download the game create a character make get to level 2 on there first job and never play again... and still be counted in that 25 million.

The active population of the game hasn't grown that much at all on average over the games life.

You can see hints of this just with the login queues.. That big influx from WoW or whatever and the new expansion we recently got saw players getting login queues of hundreds if not thousands of players..
and yet literally weeks later those queues were all but gone..all those players arent here anymore.. bored and quit already.

The overall quality of the game has deterioated quite a lot. there's more examples of that than you can possibly list. content quality, jobs, story, aesthetics...

if the quality is continupusly imporving why are the 4.0 versions of many jobs like ast and brd widely regarded as the best iterations to date? the quality of jobs has basically tanked.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

FFXIV as far as I know has always been gaining players over time.
I rly wonder what game you're playing if you think that the quality hasn't gone up too.

This forum is just overly negative all the time, people always talk about toxic positivity but tbh this forum is toxic negativity incarnate and it's mainly the same people running rampant and who are ultimately for the most part mad about minor things in the grand scheme of things.
The forums don't really represent the general view of the game at all.



This was about FFXIV, there is no evidence at all that FFXIV is suffering or is going to suffer because of what other branches of SE does.
Yoshi P also has an abnormal amount of control over the game too.
Their Western studios have been doing rly poorly too.

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Back when WoW started to fall apart there was always a number of really vocal people who sounded just like you swearing up and down that "this is fine" while the proverbial house was on fire. As people started to leave the game there was less and less counter to those voices which just helped to reinforce the idea that nothing was wrong. Now here we are 10 years later, with that company struggling just to keep the game from collapsing. Keep your head in the sand if you want, but there are those of us who greatly desire for this game to succeed. Partly because we love the game and it's universe, and partly because there's nowhere else to go.

Seeing a lot of the same mistakes being made by this team just in the past year doesn't exactly do wonders to assuage any of these concerns. If these guys don't seriously step up their game over the next year, not only will they likely lose a significant chunk of their gains from WoW but they may also start losing loyal fans.

I am concerned for Square Enix in general, but not FFXIV. Somewhat of a backhanded compliment, but between the notorious "spaghetti code" designed for PS3 and the fact that the servers are held together with popsicle sticks and play-dough, I don't think they could implement NFTs into this game if they wanted to. I love FFXIV to death, but... come on. We all know it.

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

I am concerned for Square Enix in general, but not FFXIV. Somewhat of a backhanded compliment, but between the notorious "spaghetti code" designed for PS3 and the fact that the servers are held together with popsicle sticks and play-dough, I don't think they could implement NFTs into this game if they wanted to. I love FFXIV to death, but... come on. We all know it.

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"Spaghetti code" makes for a convenient excuse when it comes to doing things that are hard but players want, like overhauling the glamour system, the housing system, Hrothgar hair.

Don't be so sure it will hold up when it comes to Square Enix forcing NFTs into the game.

I'm waiting for Elon Musk to take over Business Division 3

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Originally Posted by Wingale

I'm waiting for Elon Musk to take over Business Division 3

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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I would be for this just because it would be an even more entertaining salt mine than the people losing their collective minds over twitter.