Odds of reverting Sam in 6.11

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04-26-2022, 04:27 AM
WorldPeacElbow

Odds of reverting Sam in 6.11

I know I'm probably on copium but what are the odds that SE realize their mistake and revert Sam to its former glory in the patch today? :')
04-26-2022, 04:50 AM
cjbeagle

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Originally Posted by WorldPeacElbow

I know I'm probably on copium but what are the odds that SE realize their mistake and revert Sam to its former glory in the patch today? :')

I don't know, but I'm betting they do because the idea of them not doing so is too depressing to consider. I'd rather be hopeful and proven wrong than actually accept that they've gutted samurai and won't be fixing it anytime soon.
04-26-2022, 05:00 AM
Maxilor

They gave back Energy Drain to SCH.

Keep the faith.
04-26-2022, 05:07 AM
NohimeOda

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Originally Posted by WorldPeacElbow

I know I'm probably on copium but what are the odds that SE realize their mistake and revert Sam to its former glory in the patch today? :')

With the release of ultimate, it is unlikely a total reversion is going to happen as they no doubt had the current SAM in mind for its release. A total reversion would also impact teams' planned comps for said ultimate in the early weeks. Although I personally feel it would not make a significant difference and that the early teams going hard would be able to adapt just fine to whatever changes are made, it's likely they will just play it safe. Soonest I think we will see major changes in my opinion will be 6.15 or 6.18. Although I would be happy to be proven wrong of course. Till then just have to keep letting our voices be heard!
04-26-2022, 05:43 AM
UnseveredRevna

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Originally Posted by NohimeOda

With the release of ultimate, it is unlikely a total reversion is going to happen as they no doubt had the current SAM in mind for its release. A total reversion would also impact teams' planned comps for said ultimate in the early weeks. Although I personally feel it would not make a significant difference and that the early teams going hard would be able to adapt just fine to whatever changes are made, it's likely they will just play it safe. Soonest I think we will see major changes in my opinion will be 6.15 or 6.18. Although I would be happy to be proven wrong of course. Till then just have to keep letting our voices be heard!

I feel like in terms of impacting teams' planned compositions a reversion is only a gain, there are several threads in the past week or so of SAM players noting they will change jobs or the griping about gearing up on alt job on short notice for the ultimate, things like that. I agree that they are unlikely to revert since the ultimate was probably designed with the current iteration of SAM in mind ahead of time though.

I don't think we'll see anything until 6.2 if we see anything at all. I have very little faith in SE's feedback system these days, but I would certainly love to be surprised.
04-26-2022, 06:32 AM
Fable_Frost

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Originally Posted by NohimeOda

A total reversion would also impact teams' planned comps for said ultimate in the early weeks.

6.1 changes that came out of nowhere is what impacted team's planned comps.
Most early week ultimate statics have been in the making for more than a couple weeks.
04-26-2022, 07:28 AM
geebster

Yeah, the argument that they cant make a big change this close to ultimate release is thrown out since... 6.1 happened and did exactly that. If anything, undoing 6.1 would allow comps that were thrown into disarray to come back together, since Sams couldnt all switch off and gear up an alt in time. Many were going to play Sam anyways even though they dont enjoy it anymore, so if anything, a reversion would increase player happiness and help comps planned more than 2 weeks ago to do ultimate content.

The only thing I would be against regarding 6.11 Sam changes would be a re-envisioning of the class. I.E. another change to try to address variance that creates a novel playstyle or something. A reversion, partial or complete, is the way to go. Even just shifting potency away from the core rotation and back into finishers would be a good first step if they dont want to make huge changes.
04-26-2022, 07:42 AM
Stasya

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Originally Posted by NohimeOda

With the release of ultimate, it is unlikely a total reversion is going to happen as they no doubt had the current SAM in mind for its release. A total reversion would also impact teams' planned comps for said ultimate in the early weeks. Although I personally feel it would not make a significant difference and that the early teams going hard would be able to adapt just fine to whatever changes are made, it's likely they will just play it safe. Soonest I think we will see major changes in my opinion will be 6.15 or 6.18. Although I would be happy to be proven wrong of course. Till then just have to keep letting our voices be heard!

There is zero chance they have tested SAM or any other class they touched with 6.1 (trick attack 2 min lol). If theres a chance they have actually playtested ultimate then they did with 6.00/6.08 classes. But w/e they play 11d chess with "just try it out lol, it's not like statics will force you to abandon SAM for ultimate"

Also again, many SAM players planned ahead that they want to do ultimate, why do such drastic changes when we dont even have new raid tier? I bet zero teams planned for some classes getting into trash can treatment.
04-26-2022, 11:08 AM
RArchet

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

They gave back Energy Drain to SCH.

Keep the faith.

[To Kaiten]

Stay strong, Keep the faith.

At 6.1's end, we'll meet again. We will. We will...

The Ultimate has released, and we are granted with another beautiful fight. But you are not here to see it.
04-26-2022, 11:42 AM
Ruminous

Simply put, no. They wont fix it in 6.11. They need to, they should, but they wont.
04-26-2022, 05:32 PM
dark494

0.

/10char
04-27-2022, 01:21 AM
Maxilor

Well, there's always 6.15.

Sorry for the L, my SAM brothers/sisters.
04-27-2022, 04:48 AM
KYuuma

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

Well, there's always 6.15.

Sorry for the L, my SAM brothers/sisters.

They will probably nerf Midare back to 600 once they see that SAM edged BLM a bit.

SAM is dead. Yoshida wants it to stay that way.
04-27-2022, 05:36 AM
cjbeagle

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Originally Posted by KYuuma

They will probably nerf Midare back to 600 once they see that SAM edged BLM a bit.

SAM is dead. Yoshida wants it to stay that way.

I'm fine with being out-dpsed by black mages - I just want samurai to be fun to play again.
04-27-2022, 05:38 AM
Ruminous

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Originally Posted by Maxilor

Well, there's always 6.15.

Sorry for the L, my SAM brothers/sisters.

If any major changes are going in, it'll be during 6.2. Small indie company, you know, can't send people to sift through samurai's code and add/remove abilities on a not-major patch. I don't claim to know how hard it'd be to write code, but I would assume they have archives of their previous patches for reference.

I've given up on sam back when the first patch dropped, and I still have no hope for it now. Melee is the most bloated group of jobs out there now and samurai losing popularity and fading in to obscurity means there will be less competition for melee spots in a group. I mean, reaper is good. Well designed, has good mechanics, right?

Oh by the way dev team: I want my tome and book refund on my striking gear. You already have npcs that you can exchange items for items. All you have to do is add a vendor in that does just that whenever you introduce a change like this mid-patch cycle. Stop wasting people's time, because I still feel cheated out of the months I spent gearing a job I no longer want to play because you people decided to change a class for future design, but failed to take into account that the future isn't here yet and wont be for another few months at minimum.