WHM is leagues above the other Healers to an annoying degree. WHM has crowd control, high amounts of healing and very high burst damage (and more HP for some unknown reason).
WHM is able to secure kills or provide easy follow-ups with little effort.
AST arguably has the worst LB due to how uncoordinated teams are and how punishing the animation lock is. Your team needs to be fully paying attention to capitalize on the first 5 seconds of AST LB, otherwise it quickly loses threat level.
SGE has very strong area denial and damage, but very low healing and no Crowd Control.
SCH has decent healing/mitigation, CC protection and can deal decent damage with DoTs, but lacks any kind of burst damage or crowd control.
WHM has the fastest charging LB amongst the healers (again for some unknown reason), amazing crowd control, amazing healing, and amazing burst damage.
Bring WHM down to the level of the other Healers, or bring the others up in power level and potential impact. Also, remove infinite Cure II from the game right now...
WHM vs the other Healers
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04-20-2022, 11:23 PMIllyaPrismaWHM vs the other Healers
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04-21-2022, 01:53 AMRael_Norende
Apparently WHM is also bugged so you can get infinite healing or something. I don't know the details but this is just what I heard.
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04-21-2022, 01:58 AMQooEr
yes i dont know why whm's lb is the fastest charging one while also being a... Aoe stun that does high damage AND gives party mitigation to boot. what the hell? meanwhile im lucky if my ast lb ever does anything because apparently 30% damage boost competes so hard with stunning or even ohkoing an entire party that it needs to have an animation lock to keep it in place. To make matters worse whm already has an UNCLEANSABLE cc, so why does it need to stun everything with its lb too?
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04-21-2022, 02:28 AMRyuDragnierIt is indeed bugged, allowing you to spam Cure II indefinitely. 2 people (SAM and a NIN) on a single WHM and we couldn't kill them, their MP didn't even go down once thanks to it. WHM is absolutely busted because of this bug, due to the amount of people in higher ranks exploiting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rael_Norende
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04-21-2022, 05:19 AMTobias_AzuryonNo no see you're UNDERSELLING the LB imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by QooEr
The LB is an instaneous stun nuke that can be fired off at any time that not only does high damage, it stuns you, while boosting the WHMs damage AND Healing potency by 10% for 15s AND providing party wide regen across 30 yalms. So you can always ensure a followup from the LB with afflatus misery for 12k+ damage immediately in the LB window. 18k + 12k + Damage boost and mitigation 2 button presses. It's nuts compared to like SGE which is like "Here's a Doton you can move once but also people can just run in and kill you anyways because it doesn't stop the Crowd Control/stunlock problem"
AST LB needs editing but at least AST has 4 repeatable cures with regen and shielding on top of CC with heavy and bind.
SCH has DoT spread and dps buff to party, dps nerf to people who have the DoT, but no other CC and their mummification CAN help but why nerf healing when you can stun/stop it completely and burst through their hp like popcorn?
SGE is my main so I know it can do crazy high dps but it basically involves playing...like a dps and pokign at things from the back until you get an opportunity while sometimes throwing a shield on people here and there until I inevitably kardia myself because it's more annoying to have to keep swapping kardia every time someone dies than to just put it on myself and try to live when I zoom in to kill someone. There's no CC, no real help to the party beyond the little healing you get from dosis, and they have the smallest hp pool lol.
I just will never understand how regardless of talk about "skill" a few kits like WHM and WAR made it into the game mode. WHM has TWO purifies the second of which provides a huge shield on cleanse, two forms of CC, one of which isn't cleansable, and an AOE protect dash that then procs an AOE heal lol...I sure would love a single aoe shield in either of the barrier healers kit lol. Or even just mitigation with the kholes like PVE for SGE.
You have some classes with all the sustain and all the cc and all the damage and then classes like GNB who might as well not even show up for how annoying it is to play and how your kit is basically a gimped version of all three roles @_@
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04-21-2022, 07:02 AMWroban
SGE has pretty ridiculous damage (Frequently top boards with it, it's pretty nuts) but it's actual support is somewhat lacking. WHM has most of it's damage packed into it's LB which I'll confess charges WAY too fast.
At times I have to double check I'm seeing things right and that I do, in fact, have my LB ready after using it under a minute ago... -
04-21-2022, 09:18 AMTheTyrantCure 2 doesn't use MP even when not bugged.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuDragnier
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04-21-2022, 09:21 AMRyuDragnierIt means they don't have to use their MP heal. That's how much healing they're getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTyrant
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04-21-2022, 10:02 AMRisvertasashi
It's interesting that people are so upset about the WHM LB, when warrior has the same thing (aoe stun + high damage) on a 15 second cooldown. I don't think WHM LB charges too fast. If anything, compared to other abilities of similar capability, it's a bit slow. Which is probably why it's a fast charging LB to begin with.
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04-22-2022, 04:00 AMIllyaPrismaInstead of playing devil's advocate on how strong WHM currently is, what changes would you want to see for the Healer's (and Tanks for that matter) that are not up to par with WAR and WHM?Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
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04-22-2022, 04:27 AMQooErits the fastest charging LB of all jobs, that is objective fact. its LB is also WAY stronger than the other healers' LBs, so if anything it should be the slowest one to build. the only LBs that compete are SAM, NIN and maybe DRG & MCH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
what other abilities stun the entire party other than primal rend which on its own is also a point of contention? warrior might have an aoe stun on a 15s cooldown but it doesnt do 18k damage while also giving 10% mitigation and 20k total healing to the entire party, on top of ALSO having an uncleansable silence every 25s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Risvertasashi
we get it you play whm and dont want it to not be OP