Why Garo gear still genderlocked?

I love how they remove some crafted glamour to not genderlocked, but why Garo gear still remain genderlocked?

I want to use that butterfly hairpin man... :(

It’s another example of outdated design restrictions; I really wish both models of clothing were available for all players regardless of gender.

I also wondered about that. I guess it is because, it's not 'a lock' in first place. It is that there is no adjusted version for the other gender.
Maybe they had not enough time to do that. Or maybe the collaboration partner does not allow it? Idk.
But to be honest, I really want to be able to wear that butterfly headpiece. And as often..., the female sets look better (in my eyes).

Maybe they are going to adjust them later? I will collect some pieces and hope I can wear them someday. :3

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

I also wondered about that. I guess it is because, it's not 'a lock' in first place. It is that there is no adjusted version for the other gender.
Maybe they had not enough time to do that. Or maybe the collaboration partner does not allow it? Idk.
But to be honest, I really want to be able to wear that butterly headpiece. And as so often..., the female sets look better (in my eyes).

Maybe they are going to adjust them later? I will collect some pieces and hope I can wear them someday. :3

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The more player options for customization, the better, I say. Some of the women-only clothing options look really cute and I’d love to wear them!

Yes me too. I hope they adjust more, time after time. :3

It's been like 2017 and it's sucks that those are still genderlocked :(

I'd prefer to wear quite a few of the male outfits on my main. They just look better to me compared to some of their female counterparts.

I'd rather their focus be on content. Not fitting clothes to new models just to sate folks who have an issue.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I'd rather their focus be on content. Not fitting clothes to new models just to sate folks who have an issue.

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What content?

Also, why not both?

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

What content?

Also, why not both?

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What content? Check the Live Letters and you'll have your answer.

Many more people have complained about content on xiv so to me that's far more important rn than unisex clothing. That's why not both.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

What content? Check the Live Letters and you'll have your answer.

Many more people have complained about content on xiv so to me that's far more important rn than unisex clothing. That's why not both.

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Content Devs =/= Glamour Devs. They can work at same time :)

As a crossover event SE might not be allowed to change it even if they wanted to.

Simple, because there has been no work involved.
Only thing they did was renew the license/contracts with the GARO guys, and then just copy, paste.
Remove genderlock is actually involving a lot of manpower, & resources you're asking a lot from this indie company.

Sarcasm aside, personally I'm more a fan of 'uniqueness', but I do know it's 2022 and the majority in the world wants everything to be the same so...
Maybe they will change it but I wouldn't put my hopes up too much.

As the guy above me posted I'd like more work involved in the content itself as well but I also know that the people working on the clothes are not the same as quest designers, battle content designers, etc so there's that.

I think simply making stuff from genderlock to not genderlock is very easy if you are an indie company or small company, but in big company? All decision have to be made through some quality assurance and some inspection or perhaps yoshi P himself, most content in the game have to be known or inspected directly by Yoshi P to certain extent, he is very detailed and micro managing the game development, i dont think unlocking gender restriction of garou armor were ever mentioned by yoshi P himself, so they probably have no plan to work on that from the very beginning i assume

I wish I could wear the healer butterfly tiara thingy uwu

Is that a good thread?

Yes, why is it still genderlocked after adapting so many pieces but not the Garo gear when the Garo event is back?
I want the MCH male outfit, I'm not a fan of dress.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

What content?

Also, why not both?

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Most of the time when devs don't separate gear they just make one version for male characters then copy paste it on female characters, which imo is usually boring there's quite a lot of games I just won't play because I don't like any of the gear at all.
It's cheaper and easier, and guys are generally more offended by feminine stuff too it's easier to upset people who play male characters so it's seen as a safer bet.
Yoshi P said in one of the QnA for Endwalker that they want to make different gear because he knows there are a lot of people who want it, sure just having them for both would be ideal I guess but as a game dev you have to prioritize and in the end of the day most people want conventional stuff.
This is a very niche issue very few people would even use the other versions as can be seen with the gear that has been unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

Content Devs =/= Glamour Devs. They can work at same time :)

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Glam is content.
They also reworked a ton of dungeons and MSQ in ARR, new Alliance Raid, new MSQ and dungeon, new PvP Rework and housing ( yes there were issues we get it.......... ), Hildebrand, new gear, new Trials + Extreme and mount etc.
This was a pretty big patch.

Edit: Also the Adventure Plates.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Yes, why is it still genderlocked after adapting so many pieces but not the Garo gear when the Garo event is back?
I want the MCH male outfit, I'm not a fan of dress.

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My Viera will swap aiming outfits with you! I'm pretty sure he'd look great in the female version. It's not really feminine, just fancy.

Agree, i'm not a big fan of some female set and wish i could wear the male version !

Same. Some of the female hairstyle versions for bought hairstyles are also better and I want them.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

This is a very niche issue very few people would even use the other versions as can be seen with the gear that has been unlocked.

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Nothing is very few if it's about an option. Male viera mostly used those as far as i seen at my server. Sometimes it makes a good combination with male's outfit :)

I agree with removing gender locks.

I'd also really appreciate if they would just remove or adjust the job restrictions too. It's ridiculous that each job has their own set even though they're all visual clones. I'm sure it's for the titles, but who cares if someone gets a couple titles from a single set? And all this without an expansion of glamour dresser slots. I'm already capped on storage and now they want me to buy how many sets of armour?

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Originally Posted by Ravor

I think simply making stuff from genderlock to not genderlock is very easy if you are an indie company or small company, but in big company? All decision have to be made through some quality assurance and some inspection or perhaps yoshi P himself, most content in the game have to be known or inspected directly by Yoshi P to certain extent, he is very detailed and micro managing the game development, i dont think unlocking gender restriction of garou armor were ever mentioned by yoshi P himself, so they probably have no plan to work on that from the very beginning i assume

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This is maybe the dumbest excuse I've read for them not doing something.

Now they can't adjust or make new glams because the company is too big? It's like a parody of "small indie company btw".

If this massive game developer with all its staff and money and resources can't make enough content because everything has to be checked and approved by one guy, then it's time to hire more game directors.

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Originally Posted by YukiB

I'd also really appreciate if they would just remove or adjust the job restrictions too. It's ridiculous that each job has their own set even though they're all visual clones. I'm sure it's for the titles, but who cares if someone gets a couple titles from a single set?

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Given that we're stuck with job locks, I think it's for glamour purposes, not just titles.

GNB and RPR were in an awkward position where the jobs they normally share gear with had job-specific outfits in the old collaboration. (For the newer jobs where the gear was role-based, like DNC and SGE, they did simply get added to the older sets.)

It's not so obvious with the female set, but the male aiming set suits GNB's vibe really well and is a much better choice than assigning then to one of the heavy armour sets that the other tanks use. Likewise for RPR getting the striking gear model, but both genders work well. The long black coat and halfmask is much better for them than the gaudy white armour that DRG has.

Anyway, once you have the titles, you don't need to keep the gear if you're not using it. The Calamity Salvager will sell it back to you if you discard it.

I'm okay with gender lock. Not everything needs to be for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

As a crossover event SE might not be allowed to change it even if they wanted to.

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Nah. They were able to do it with the MH outfits.

My problem is why do I have the option to buy the gender locked gear that I can't wear? Lost more than a few wolf's marks due to not realizing/paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Fhaerron

Sarcasm aside, personally I'm more a fan of 'uniqueness', but I do know it's 2022 and the majority in the world wants everything to be the same so...
Maybe they will change it but I wouldn't put my hopes up too much.

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I'm willing to accept any and all technical reasons as for why X or Y outfit isn't unisex. Hell, I can also accept "we made it that way because we want it to be that way."

At the same time, I feel that "uniqueness" coming down to "this gender can wear a pair of shoes and the other one can't!" is hilariously lame, especially in a game in which any character can be any job and can engage with most activities regardless of race or gender.

/shrug

Gender locking the head-pieces is especially ridiculous.

I would prefer weapons for newer classes (SB and beyond). They make class-specific gear for Gunbreaker and Reaper, but zero weapon, lol.

I recently noticed that not only are the older Garo clothes still gender-locked, but so are the brand-new ones that were just made for newer jobs… Why? Square Enix, please stop perpetuating these arbitrary and problematic restrictions.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Nah. They were able to do it with the MH outfits.

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To my knowledge, there was a male and female version of that one from the beginning. They didn't need to change anything as they were provided from the get-go.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

I recently noticed that not only are the older Garo clothes still gender-locked, but so are the brand-new ones that were just made for newer jobs… Why? Square Enix, please stop perpetuating these arbitrary and problematic restrictions.

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Because they're the same models as the old clothes. Either everything will be unlocked together or is all stays as it is.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

To my knowledge, there was a male and female version of that one from the beginning. They didn't need to change anything as they were provided from the get-go.

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Yes, but in the recent patch, they did put in the modelign work to fit the male gear to female models and vice versa.

That said, jsut because one crossover partner agrees to let them do that, doesn't mean all do.

As others have stated it may not have even been up to SE. That may even be why we didn't get new sets or weapons. They have to work the details out with the owner of the GARO license, and if they say no well... it's tough luck. It could just be that all they could do was get a license renewal and that was it, no modifications allowed. Just because MH had some changes, and it would have had to have had the approval of Capcom to do so.

Just wild speculation, but I suspect that since they are moving onto a seasonal system for PvP that paying for Garo until patch 6.2 let them get something out there that people can use wolf marks for while they work on newer gear. It's a heck of a lot easier to get the gear now than it was back when it was around originally.

The models are not even that great and the texture on the armor is Heavensward era, so it's not up to the same production level as late stormblood -> present.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

The models are not even that great and the texture on the armor is Heavensward era, so it's not up to the same production level as late stormblood -> present.

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I actually much prefer the look of the older models to the overly rough look that a lot of recent pieces have. They suit the game's art style better, the shapes are more defined and they dye much better.

I like a lot of the Makai gear for both genders.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I actually much prefer the look of the older models to the overly rough look that a lot of recent pieces have. They suit the game's art style better, the shapes are more defined and they dye much better.

I like a lot of the Makai gear for both genders.

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I agree with this. A lot of the texture work on the newer armors just do not fit the game's artstyle. They look too detailed compared to everything else and are jarring.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I love how they remove some crafted glamour to not genderlocked, but why Garo gear still remain genderlocked?

I want to use that butterfly hairpin man... :(

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Because they would have to invest time resources into adapting the sets to the missing genders... I would love it, but sadly can't see them doing it for an event that they are just re-releasing.

I actually find more likely for them to do the Valentione sets, because while it's an old event, it's still cash shop material.

While I don’t agree with them not adding missing gender support to existing clothes from the last time this event was around, I acknowledge that doing it now could add development time to items that already existed in the past; however, I still think that it’s a good effort worth doing.

What I can’t see them successfully defending for any reason is why there are now -newer- clothes added that -also- are arbitrarily restricted by gender, which is really lame and unfortunate considering how visually unique the two are; what excuse is there, if such a one exists, for the new gear sets not being made for both male and female characters?

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I love how they remove some crafted glamour to not genderlocked, but why Garo gear still remain genderlocked?

I want to use that butterfly hairpin man... :(

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While I would like to be able to mix and match pieces from both sets, this an example of something not being owned by SE. Garo is its own IP owned by a television company and SE cannot make the decision to unlock the gender restriction. Unfortunately if the IP owner says no, SE has to abide.