Housing update 3 is up.

Here is the link.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...7fcff58ee4f9c5

Pretty transparent I'd say. Also thankful they mentioned that plots which didn't have any errors are good to go. Can finally look to the next lottery.

would you look at that. every single armchair coder was wrong

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

would you look at that. every single armchair coder was wrong

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Team is pretty transparent in my view. I have two friends affected by the 0 bug so hopefully they'll get it resolved quickly. Both are on Materia.

Yay.

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Once this issue has been resolved, and lottery results can be relayed to the housing data servers without issue, it will be possible to confirm the lottery winners. Furthermore, players who registered for the lottery at the affected plots will not be required to register a second time. We ask for your patience as we work to recover data containing the results for these plots.

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What does this mean? Like, I can take it in two ways as in either they're going to give the right winners the plot or we won't have to go back to the placard and register for the lottery again when they decide to unpause the system.

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Originally Posted by Vercinotrix

Yay.



What does this mean? Like, I can take it in two ways as in either they're going to give the right winners the plot or we won't have to go back to the placard and register for the lottery again when they decide to unpause the system.

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It sounds to me like they'll give it to the correct winner.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

would you look at that. every single armchair coder was wrong

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Frankly I'm happy to be wrong. A communications error leaves no doubt about the validity of the winning bids.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

It sounds to me like they'll give it to the correct winner.

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It seems so.

Welp, my FC has a medium plot to look forward to now. yay

Thanks for the quick heads-up on the Lodestone post! You are on top of it today!! :) I also really appreciate the clarity in the post (as much as it could be), and the timelines that were expressed. Very helpful for planning purposes!

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Originally Posted by Vercinotrix

What does this mean? Like, I can take it in two ways as in either they're going to give the right winners the plot or we won't have to go back to the placard and register for the lottery again when they decide to unpause the system.

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with the prior line for context:

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After investigating this issue, we discovered that, while the server responsible for conducting the lottery is functioning as intended, the results are not being properly relayed to the servers responsible for managing housing-related data.

Once this issue has been resolved, and lottery results can be relayed to the housing data servers without issue, it will be possible to confirm the lottery winners. Furthermore, players who registered for the lottery at the affected plots will not be required to register a second time. We ask for your patience as we work to recover data containing the results for these plots.

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it sounds like the lotto server determined the winners but relayed an error instead of the winner to the housing server. The fix will make the two servers 1:1 displaying the winners.

"The means by which gil may be collected from those who have already received a gil refund prior to learning that they have won the lottery is under consideration. Details of this process will be announced at a later date."



So getting a full refund and also a house is possible?

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

would you look at that. every single armchair coder was wrong

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Admittedly, I know I said this was an "Off by One" error and i am glad that I was incorrect. In this case, the results maintained on the server that ran the actual lotto actually were maintained and the issue was a communication error between servers, which is something that is considerably harder to test for and also is not compromising the results of the original run of the lotto.

Only thing i'm a little confused on. Do they want EVERYONE to secure their gil that was 0'd. Or those with 0 to just leave things as is until the server info is 1:1 and displays the correct winner.

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Originally Posted by EikoTsukimi

So getting a full refund and also a house is possible?

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No, it means they're working out how to make sure people pay the full amount for the house when the system is expecting they've already paid half of it at this point and is set up to charge them only for the other half.

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Originally Posted by Lecru

Only thing i'm a little confused on. Do they want EVERYONE to secure their gil that was 0'd. Or those with 0 to just leave things as is until the server info is 1:1 and displays the correct winner.

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I would not accept any refunds just sit tight. There is no rush given refunds can be made up to July 19th. Appears those who actually took refunds with a 0 error may still be considered for the reroll or the servers who determined the winner actually displaying who won correctly.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Frankly I'm happy to be wrong. A communications error leaves no doubt about the validity of the winning bids.

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It's better to be pleasantly surprised than correct about something bad. Glad to see the 0 bug is getting fixed and the plots given to the right people!

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I would not accept any refunds just sit tight. There is no rush given refunds can be made up to July 19th. Appears those who actually took refunds with a 0 error may still be considered for the reroll or the servers who determined the winner actually displaying who won correctly.

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I'm aware of the no rush if it was working properly. But I know the people who lost to the system working correctly were told to grab their gil to speed up the prcess. So just wanted to clarify that the 0'd out bunch should just sit tight and not do anything

Its always interesting NOT to see the usual "concerned" avatars in these threads when they are trying to fix a problem or acknowledge that they are indeed paying attention...

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Its always interesting NOT to see the usual "concerned" avatars in these threads when they are trying to fix a problem or acknowledge that they are indeed paying attention...

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Those mouths are all decidedly shut when it becomes time to eat the Humble Pie, excrement out.. never back in.

Solid response, glad to see it

My FC is finally getting their own large! Excited!

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Its always interesting NOT to see the usual "concerned" avatars in these threads when they are trying to fix a problem or acknowledge that they are indeed paying attention...

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Because, majority of the forum people in these threads are doom and gloom spreaders hellbent on very much causing strife, on purpose. They are not a representation of the wider playerbase that is in-game, actually enjoying the various pieces of content that exists. You have Karens irl, you have the same on the forums.
But if a newcomer came to look at the forums, it would look like this is the worst game to be a part of, when in fact it's one of the best MMOs on the market supported by a fabulous dev team. That's not apologist, that's just pure fact.

I wish the Community Managers would be more proactive at funneling the threads into super threads though since people seem unable to post their opinions in a single thread.

will someone break it down/ tl;dr for me? please!

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

will someone break it down/ tl;dr for me? please!

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They're working on it, they have all the information needed to get the proper winners chosen, will require a future maintenance once they properly test everything with the fix and sort through the winner logs.

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Originally Posted by DBriggs304

Its always interesting NOT to see the usual "concerned" avatars in these threads when they are trying to fix a problem or acknowledge that they are indeed paying attention...

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It's expected. Remember, only people who like the game are toxic.

And I say this as someone who has wanted an ishgard house for close to 8 years now. And lost the lottery (and I expect every plot on jenova to be gone with the bug fix, almost every plot had bidders)

Yet I'm not here moaning and groaning. I accepted the results like an adult and moved on.

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

They're working on it, they have all the information needed to get the proper winners chosen, will require a future maintenance once they properly test everything with the fix and sort through the winner logs.

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Thank you so much!

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

will someone break it down/ tl;dr for me? please!

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In essence, the results from the lotto were not passed over to the server that deals with housing. The results of the lotto were maintained so no new run of the lotto is needed. Further maintenance is required.

Thats right these forums tend to be filled with a bunch of Karens that its just ugh.

A shame too because its masked behind reasonable criticisms here and there

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Originally Posted by Vercinotrix

What does this mean? Like, I can take it in two ways as in either they're going to give the right winners the plot or we won't have to go back to the placard and register for the lottery again when they decide to unpause the system.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

It sounds to me like they'll give it to the correct winner.

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I wouldn't quite settle on either of these. More that they're committed to making sure their solution is fair, and it could be either of these or something similar, but they have yet to decide what that solution is going to look like.

I'm more irritated that they're halting lottery until they fix it.

I WANT A HOUSE DAMN IT.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I'm more irritated that they're halting lottery until they fix it.

I WANT A HOUSE DAMN IT.

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As someone who lost their lottery bid to a real person I too just want another shot at the next one! XD
But we've waited months (or years in some ways) for this, we can wait a couple more weeks.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I'm more irritated that they're halting lottery until they fix it.

I WANT A HOUSE DAMN IT.

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Well you don't want another round until a fix is identified and implemented.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

I wouldn't quite settle on either of these. More that they're committed to making sure their solution is fair, and it could be either of these or something similar, but they have yet to decide what that solution is going to look like.

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The translated page literally tells you that their ARE winners on the 0'd plots. And that they need to merge that info with the other housing lotto system so that the proper info is displayed so that the winners can be notified. It's all on the JP page. They will not be starting the new lotto until the previously 0'd out people are taken care of.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Well you don't want another round until a fix is identified and implemented.

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Considering I didn't lose to the 0 bug, it didn't affect me at all and I wouldn't mind a second go around with it.

I'm just more disappointed that my chances of getting a house go exponentially down with every lottery because there's so few houses opening up and there'll be 200 entries for the single house that opens up eventually.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

As someone who lost their lottery bid to a real person I too just want another shot at the next one! XD
But we've waited months (or years in some ways) for this, we can wait a couple more weeks.

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I see it around a week until it's restarted. They said it would take them 2-3 days barring any issues that come up compiling all the data together and making a fix to push out in a maintenance patch. To which after that it's just a matter of the 0'd out winner actually claiming the plot.

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Originally Posted by Imora

Considering I didn't lose to the 0 bug, it didn't affect me at all and I wouldn't mind a second go around with it.

I'm just more disappointed that my chances of getting a house go exponentially down with every lottery because there's so few houses opening up and there'll be 200 entries for the single house that opens up eventually.

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Oh it's going to suck now with the few houses that open up cause so many will bid on them. Ultimately the solution lies with more supply. The ward additions are not going to satisfy the people who want houses they need to look at other avenues to address the demand.

Transparent, sure. I appreciate that. But it shouldn't have happened in the first place. And housing shouldn't be in the state it's currently in and has been for years. They can say "sorry about that" or "my bad" all they want, but it doesn't fix anything. Actions speak louder than words.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Oh it's going to suck now with the few houses that open up cause so many will bid on them. Ultimately the solution lies with more supply. The ward additions are not going to satisfy the people who want houses they need to look at other avenues to address the demand.

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I'm expecting, that Island Sanctuary is their solution to this as it literally serves no other purpose I can reasonably think of when such a glaring housing issue exists.

Probably going to look like:

Island Sanctuary -> Instanced Housing only player can visit. (Free) (Clue for this being the aspect of player minions being available to interact with.)
Wards-> Housing / FC Housing anyone can visit (Not Free) (limited)

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Transparent, sure. I appreciate that. But it shouldn't have happened in the first place. And housing shouldn't be in the state it's currently in and has been for years. They can say "sorry about that" or "my bad" all they want, but it doesn't fix anything. Actions speak louder than words.

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Because bugs happen. The game isn't perfect. The devs aren't perfect. And yeah they need to address the supply. Perhaps now they have real numbers seeing how many people bid and actually want housing and will do something about it. Adding a housing district every 2 years and some additional wards isn't going to fix the problem.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Because bugs happen. The game isn't perfect. The devs aren't perfect. And yeah they need to address the supply. Perhaps now they have real numbers seeing how many people bid and actually want housing and will do something about it. Adding a housing district every 2 years and some additional wards isn't going to fix the problem.

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They've always had the numbers. But since 2.1 Yoshi has addressed and stated that housing is still primarily for FC's. It benefits them the most. Workshops, Company rooms for purchase, buff wheels, etc.