Spells! Spells...spells...spells!

Was going to make more then one thread on each thing in the right places...but I'll just round them all up in one go.

These are things in other FF games, yes...even FFXI...that I enjoyed greatly or generally made the lore of a real world FF game better.

1. Scrolls
I loved the concept of buying scrolls for spells from many games, not just FF. Going to different towns and areas to buy them or from monster drops and quests.

2. Debuff spells
Where did they go? Choke, Rasp, Frost, Burn, etc. I miss debuffing. It doesn't seem like a very deep game without the option of using such spells regardless if you want to argue they're overly useful or not.
And never forget Tractor!

3. Invis/Sneak
A FFXI spell combo I found very fun and gave an excuse to make the world much more dangerous...forcing players to Invis and Sneak just to get by in many cases. Was also fun just running around aimlessly invisible around town and popping on people. Simple fun to complex necessity.

Actually, I think they made a good choice by cutting everything down so much. The problem with XI was the same as this game when it launched. Too many spells gone to one class where it was just a melting pot of several different professions from past classic Final Fantasy Jobs.

At least now they can implement these old spells here and there into roles that call for it in the future (which it looks like through feedback is their plan in a sense). XI was what it was. Let's leave it that way. If there is anything about XI that should be implemented in XIV it's general descriptions of what made a system in XI great. If you are looking for spells and abilities to tie in with the lore that wouldn't be made up with implementing tons of spells from XI. It wouldn't actually make sense at all.

Same with end game content. I think a motivation and overall betterment for a new installment such as this would be words like, "Challenging", "Unique", "Engaging". And not "Make it like Nyzul Isle." It's boring and frankly, unoriginal and uninspiring too.

No thanks on invis/sneak.

They had to dumb down the reportoire of spells to refocus job balance and identity.

I'd prefer it if spells didn't replace the usefulness of items.

Other jobs have yet to be introduced. they will likely introduce more spells. Just wait.

magic types is split like this.

CNJ/WHM: Water/Wind/Earth

THM/BLM: Fire/Ice/Lightning

So, just wait for 2.0 for more spells.

Developers don't comment on 2.0 and more spells... so I don't think it's even gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Developers don't comment on 2.0 and more spells... so I don't think it's even gonna happen.

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yoshi-p said they be more control spell like bind,bio, and all the other spell we missing to really control the fight so yes they be more spell comming in 2.0

I don't care for the missing enfeebles with the current enfeeble system.

What I want to see is what do they plan for the damage dealing spells. Not being able to deal serious damage with ice, or Fire sucking up huge mp for lack luster damage is unacceptable and needs a change if we are only going to have 15 abilities for the rest of the games existence.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I don't care for the missing enfeebles with the current enfeeble system.

What I want to see is what do they plan for the damage dealing spells. Not being able to deal serious damage with ice, or Fire sucking up huge mp for lack luster damage is unacceptable and needs a change if we are only going to have 15 abilities for the rest of the games existence.

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Black mage does a lot of Dmg so i really don't see your issue what i think your problem is you want to see a crazy number coming from a spell which seem like you not understand that we are 50 cap and better spell wont come out to higher level.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Black mage does a lot of Dmg so i really don't see your issue what i think your problem is you want to see a crazy number coming from a spell which seem like you not understand that we are 50 cap and better spell wont come out to higher level.

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No, I know black mage does huge damage. No one is thinking of the long run. Our main damage is thunder, throw a thunder mob at us, and we are the worst damage dealers in the game.

I want damage dealing variety. Fire and Ice don't cut it.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

No, I know black mage does huge damage. No one is thinking of the long run. Our main damage is thunder, throw a thunder mob at us, and we are the worst damage dealers in the game.

I want damage dealing variety. Fire and Ice don't cut it.

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ya i know what you mean seem like black mage should be called thundermage lol the only reason you use ice spell is to lose hate lol. I agree they should have more variety of spell that does more DMG then just thunder i'm guesssing that would be fix before 2.0 if anything right around 2.0 we just have to hope :(

What good are debuffs and DoT's when 99.36% of the mobs in this game die within 10 seconds?

Or when it has little to effect on bosses.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

magic types is split like this.

CNJ/WHM: Water/Wind/Earth

THM/BLM: Fire/Ice/Lightning

So, just wait for 2.0 for more spells.

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what water spells?

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Originally Posted by Shosasosa

what water spells?

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The ones we don't have now but will probably have after the level cap goes up.

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Originally Posted by Shosasosa

what water spells?

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Apparently Cures are our water spells, which I think is bullshit, even if a dev said it.

There used to be enfeebling skills available independently before the big class/job re-make. So it may be possible that they will be back? Perhaps as part of another job or 50+.

I'm not sure what the vision is long term for class/jobs and what more changes/additions will be made, but it should be interesting.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

thundermage lol

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Thundermage? THUNDERMAGE!

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I've officially played too much League of Legends.

they wont give us invi/sneak cos they dont want us to explore..... simple. is just other way of control people to dont go Where they dont want too


just place mobs lv80 on a area to 1 shot you at any sight lol

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Originally Posted by Keramory

2. Debuff spells
Where did they go? Choke, Rasp, Frost, Burn, etc. I miss debuffing. It doesn't seem like a very deep game without the option of using such spells regardless if you want to argue they're overly useful or not.
And never forget Tractor!

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Nothing makes a game deeper than a bunch of useless skills that exist just for the sake of having them regardless of utility.

Plus the amount of inferior choices is what can make the game truly stand out!

Don't forget that all FF games levels cap at 99 so we WILL be seeing increases in the future, and with that higher spells & new ones.

I'm thinking Water + the enfeebling spells will be given to a new class which becomes RDM.
It's already confirmed we'll be getting Tamer/Beastmaster & a Summoner type job & class in 2.0.
We'll most likely be getting Muskateer/Corsair, and CNJ/THM spells will be expanded to -ja's etc.

Also there's nothing stopping them from doing Fire II / Fira II / Firaga II etc. as we gain higher levels.

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Originally Posted by Fear

Don't forget that all FF games levels cap at 99 so we WILL be seeing increases in the future, and with that higher spells & new ones.

I'm thinking Water + the enfeebling spells will be given to a new class which becomes RDM.
It's already confirmed we'll be getting Tamer/Beastmaster & a Summoner type job & class in 2.0.
We'll most likely be getting Muskateer/Corsair, and CNJ/THM spells will be expanded to -ja's etc.

Also there's nothing stopping them from doing Fire II / Fira II / Firaga II etc. as we gain higher levels.

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They did away with tiered Spells in favor of a scaling system. you level and your dmg cap goes up.
I'm sure will see some of the removed spells come back in other classes as they are released and
some added back as the cap goes up. I would love to see sneak and invis could back as items only.

For enfeeble magic SE is planning a debuff class (I hope Arcanist).

They did do away with them yes, for now.

But there is nothing stopping them adding them in again, there still in the game after all.

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Originally Posted by Shosasosa

what water spells?

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

There aren't any water-based attack spells, but conjurers do control water-based spells. The break down of elements are as follows:
CNJ: Water/Wind/Earth
THM: Fire/Ice/Lightning

Also, there are no paralyze/poison/silence/absorb/slow and there aren't any plans to implement them before the launch of version 2.0. However, as we move forward, if it becomes absolutely necessary to utilize them, we will look into it.

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This:
Cure is water-based apparently as someone else said. It sounds like water to me when I cast it too.

well they better get rid of the shit enfeeble system if they add RDM cause after the 1st spell the enfeebles wont stick.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

ya i know what you mean seem like black mage should be called thundermage lol the only reason you use ice spell is to lose hate lol. I agree they should have more variety of spell that does more DMG then just thunder i'm guesssing that would be fix before 2.0 if anything right around 2.0 we just have to hope :(

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LOL ladies and gentlemen I give you the sith sorcer..... I mean thaumaturge

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Originally Posted by Fear

They did do away with them yes, for now.

But there is nothing stopping them adding them in again, there still in the game after all.

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It doesn't make sense to add a scaling system to replace tiers and reintroduce tiers later on. This system is much better and we can actually use lower level spells even if only to power up the others.
In FFXI there's no point in using lower level tiers when you get the higher ones, that's a slot that could be assigned to a useful spell that doesn't become obsolete.
So no, tiers aren't coming back unless they remove the scaling system... which isn't likely.

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Originally Posted by carlosx

they wont give us invi/sneak cos they dont want us to explore..... simple. is just other way of control people to dont go Where they dont want too

just place mobs lv80 on a area to 1 shot you at any sight lol

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They don't want us to explore everywhere easily, there's a difference.

I'm disappointed as usual with the community. That OP needs less likes. Seriously. They message is vapid and does not at all encourage innovation. People just can't deal with any kind of change.

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Originally Posted by Keramory

Was going to make more then one thread on each thing in the right places...but I'll just round them all up in one go.

These are things in other FF games, yes...even FFXI...that I enjoyed greatly or generally made the lore of a real world FF game better.

1. Scrolls
I loved the concept of buying scrolls for spells from many games, not just FF. Going to different towns and areas to buy them or from monster drops and quests.

2. Debuff spells
Where did they go? Choke, Rasp, Frost, Burn, etc. I miss debuffing. It doesn't seem like a very deep game without the option of using such spells regardless if you want to argue they're overly useful or not.
And never forget Tractor!

3. Invis/Sneak
A FFXI spell combo I found very fun and gave an excuse to make the world much more dangerous...forcing players to Invis and Sneak just to get by in many cases. Was also fun just running around aimlessly invisible around town and popping on people. Simple fun to complex necessity.

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1) No thanks. Remember like a few months ago how you had to buy abilities for like every class? And how fun that was? It was so fun the dev team decided it should be abolished. While I would greatly enjoy worthwhile quests that have you go do something fun or exciting, or an excuse to raid a certain area (oh wait, they have that! beastman strongholds and their chests!), I don't see any particular point in forcing the caster classes to go get scrolls. To be clear: I wouldn't really have cared either way, but since it's already set up in a scroll-less manner, I don't see that having scrolls is such an awesome fun time experience that they should spend time implementing it.

2) Probably into the hands of the Red Mage job they'll likely be making when 2.0 launches or after. If you're suggesting the debuffs weren't useful, btw, whether or not they exist has nothing to do with the depth or complexity of the game.

3) No thanks. Amusingly enough, you ask for more depth (well, not really, as stated) with 2), but are now asking for less depth with 3). What strategy is there in using sneak/invis everywhere? It doesn't take skill or thought; it just takes you not being retarded. Also? The world is already extremely dangerous. However, there's already a sweet system for getting by: The agro system. Monsters agro by at least three different methods that I've seen so far, one of them being sound. You can get past sound agro mobs by walking slowly. However, this becomes pretty tricky when you're walking past mobs of one or both of the other agro types at the same time as you're walking past sound agro mobs.

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What you should really be concerned about is how spells are currently set up for THM and CNJ. I like that CNJ has some nukes, and are actually decent at nuking, but it's very bizarre that THM only has Fire, Ice, and Thunder, and only Thunder does damage worth talking about. Ideally, CNJ should have low tier nukes (like they do now) of every element, and THM should have high tier nukes (like they do now, except make them all comparable damage, just different applications - that is, don't just have Thunder as awesome and other elements are weak) of every element.

I have always assumed that the current spell list for CNJ and THM is an experiment, and that they have planned to redistribute spells again in the future from the very beginning (if you consider the beginning to be the last time they redistributed their spells).

If, however, they plan on leaving it the way it is now... Then BLM will be useless against anything that is strong to Thunder, and BLM will pretty much only nuke with Thunder, ever... Which is stupid, and lacks depth. There aren't even any Water spells. What? And if anything is weak to Aero or Stone, we get to rely on WHM nukers. Sure? Sounds great? Stuff that's only weak to Water, I'm not even sure what you would do. Not care about casters, certainly.

So, yeah. CNJ and THM should have attack spells of every element, but THM's attack spells should be far and away stronger than CNJ. Maybe, like, encourage people to use the different element attack spells for their different added effects, and reward people for casting the appropriate element instead of hammering Thunder all day every day?

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

1) No thanks. Remember like a few months ago how you had to buy abilities for like every class? And how fun that was? It was so fun the dev team decided it should be abolished. While I would greatly enjoy worthwhile quests that have you go do something fun or exciting, or an excuse to raid a certain area (oh wait, they have that! beastman strongholds and their chests!), I don't see any particular point in forcing the caster classes to go get scrolls. To be clear: I wouldn't really have cared either way, but since it's already set up in a scroll-less manner, I don't see that having scrolls is such an awesome fun time experience that they should spend time implementing it.

2) Probably into the hands of the Red Mage job they'll likely be making when 2.0 launches or after. If you're suggesting the debuffs weren't useful, btw, whether or not they exist has nothing to do with the depth or complexity of the game.

3) No thanks. Amusingly enough, you ask for more depth (well, not really, as stated) with 2), but are now asking for less depth with 3). What strategy is there in using sneak/invis everywhere? It doesn't take skill or thought; it just takes you not being retarded. Also? The world is already extremely dangerous. However, there's already a sweet system for getting by: The agro system. Monsters agro by at least three different methods that I've seen so far, one of them being sound. You can get past sound agro mobs by walking slowly. However, this becomes pretty tricky when you're walking past mobs of one or both of the other agro types at the same time as you're walking past sound agro mobs.

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What you should really be concerned about is how spells are currently set up for THM and CNJ. I like that CNJ has some nukes, and are actually decent at nuking, but it's very bizarre that THM only has Fire, Ice, and Thunder, and only Thunder does damage worth talking about. Ideally, CNJ should have low tier nukes (like they do now) of every element, and THM should have high tier nukes (like they do now, except make them all comparable damage, just different applications - that is, don't just have Thunder as awesome and other elements are weak) of every element.

I have always assumed that the current spell list for CNJ and THM is an experiment, and that they have planned to redistribute spells again in the future from the very beginning (if you consider the beginning to be the last time they redistributed their spells).

If, however, they plan on leaving it the way it is now... Then BLM will be useless against anything that is strong to Thunder, and BLM will pretty much only nuke with Thunder, ever... Which is stupid, and lacks depth. There aren't even any Water spells. What? And if anything is weak to Aero or Stone, we get to rely on WHM nukers. Sure? Sounds great? Stuff that's only weak to Water, I'm not even sure what you would do. Not care about casters, certainly.

So, yeah. CNJ and THM should have attack spells of every element, but THM's attack spells should be far and away stronger than CNJ. Maybe, like, encourage people to use the different element attack spells for their different added effects, and reward people for casting the appropriate element instead of hammering Thunder all day every day?

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I think I just had a heart attack... someone else who get's it.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I think I just had a heart attack... someone else who get's it.

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That's exactly what I was thinking as I read that. It's nice to not be so alone anymore.

Sounds legit.

If i remember right, next class to be added to the game is Arcanist - mage class, and guess what? It will have new spells! XD Patience my friend...

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Originally Posted by VytasBismarck

If i remember right, next class to be added to the game is Arcanist - mage class, and guess what? It will have new spells! XD Patience my friend...

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Yoshi did say that, but then he said the player poll would determine the next class they add... which is completely unfair when the first player poll should 75+% of players are melee. So what happens when you put melee options in the list? The 75% is gonna go for a new melee.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Yoshi did say that, but then he said the player poll would determine the next class they add... which is completely unfair when the first player poll should 75+% of players are melee. So what happens when you put melee options in the list? The 75% is gonna go for a new melee.

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Ever think 75% of the players are melee because 75% of the combat classes are melee? (actually 71.4%) I know I'm primarily melee and I voted for a new magic class because I like more variety.

I bet Summoner is the most popular one in the player poll

I also hope Arcanist is the "Puppetmaster" of this game, but a magic Puppetmaster instead of melee. With crowd control and protective barrier type spells.

I can't see Arcanist turning into Red Mage because they also had a plan for a Fencer class, and THAT would for sure be a better fit for Red Mages. People forget that Red Mages are supposed melee-mages and not buff whores.

I saw someone make a suggestion to say that BLM has no weakness and can deal best damage against all monsters in the game...

... really?

Seriously. If there is a thunder mob to be released, I'd only want a tweak to fire and ice damage to compensate slightly. When the flavor of the patch asks for security in the future, they realize their job is unbalance and are trying to secure dominance. I'm of the opinion that Black Mage could stand to be taken down a notch, actually. The current mechanics in the game favor magic damage over all others in many circumstances.

While I'm not exactly opposed to that, there needs to be some sort of teamwork element that allows Melee's to become more important or more useful in these circumstances. The same mechanic can be utilized to balance off weaknesses in Mage damage in the future.

I've said it many times - combination skills are the answer to MANY balance and party issues in this game, I really should make my own thread suggesting it.